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Posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 12:31:06
What are the standard lab tests to identify underlying disorder that may cause anxiety and depression (possibly Tourette's syndrome)?
I think blood test and urine test are the most common, but which components should I ask my doctor to look for?
I read about a disorder called "Pyroluria" which causes deficiency of B6 and Zinc, which leads to many mental disorders. "Pyroluria" can be detected by simple urine test - Kryptopyrrole Test.
I know that my local lab does not perform Kryptopyrrole Test, but I know a website that does that test.
But, where can I check for other deficiencies?
I live in Canada, and I'm afraid to ask my family doctor who would refuse to give me the test thinking the idea that mineral/vitamin deficiencies causing mental illness is just some b*llshit.Has anyone run any lab tests for mental illnesses? If so, what kind of tests and where?
Posted by Bonnie_CA on December 6, 2006, at 13:10:07
In reply to Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 12:31:06
I just had a bunch of lab tests ran to look for possible suspects, but all they did was verify that I'm totally healthy except my anxiety. So the lab tests just eleminated possible causes, didn't actually pinpoint finding anxiety.
So, to answer your question, I haven't heard of a lab test for anxiety or depression. That doesn't mean they don't exist, but if they do, they are either too expensive or unreliable. So they just end up running a bunch of tests on your body functions.
-Bonnie
Posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 13:47:53
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by Bonnie_CA on December 6, 2006, at 13:10:07
> I just had a bunch of lab tests ran to look for possible suspects, but all they did was verify that I'm totally healthy except my anxiety. So the lab tests just eleminated possible causes, didn't actually pinpoint finding anxiety.
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> So, to answer your question, I haven't heard of a lab test for anxiety or depression. That doesn't mean they don't exist, but if they do, they are either too expensive or unreliable. So they just end up running a bunch of tests on your body functions.
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> -BonnieThank you very much for reply.
It would be kind if you can details on types of tests you had. Do they include Kryptopyrrole Test and vitamin/mineral deficiency test?
Posted by Jimmyboy on December 6, 2006, at 16:38:54
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 13:47:53
I had a vitamin / mineral defeciency test and they of course said I was low on everything . .but their range was differant that the US RDA and International RDA , it was much higher.... so I think most people taking that test would come up low. It certainly didn't convince me vitamins was my problem, although I really wish it were!
Posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 16:48:57
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by Jimmyboy on December 6, 2006, at 16:38:54
> I had a vitamin / mineral defeciency test and they of course said I was low on everything . .but their range was differant that the US RDA and International RDA , it was much higher.... so I think most people taking that test would come up low. It certainly didn't convince me vitamins was my problem, although I really wish it were!
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How did you get such test? Did you go to your family doctor and asked to be sent to a lab? Was it blood test or urine test?
Posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2006, at 17:22:45
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 16:48:57
One that would lead to a cause of anxiety and depression is a thyroid panel and all the antibodies. It is blood also adrenal function can be blood or urine. Love Phillipa
Posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 17:26:16
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression ?anony, posted by Phillipa on December 6, 2006, at 17:22:45
> One that would lead to a cause of anxiety and depression is a thyroid panel and all the antibodies. It is blood also adrenal function can be blood or urine. Love Phillipa
You can read about Pyroluria here:
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/pyroluria.htmlI'm talking about vitamin/mineral deficiencies causing anxiety.
Posted by backclass on December 6, 2006, at 17:46:13
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 17:26:16
I never heard of this before. I am getting lab work done and going to print this out and give it to my doctor. I hope I have this! I have just never responded well to SSRI's.
Posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 17:52:05
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by backclass on December 6, 2006, at 17:46:13
> I never heard of this before. I am getting lab work done and going to print this out and give it to my doctor. I hope I have this! I have just never responded well to SSRI's.
If you're talking about "Pyroluria" the chances are your doctor would have never heard about it. I read that most doctors do not aware of this disorder, and most labs do not run lab test for this.If it's discovered that the anxiety is caused by Pyroluria, the treatment is really easy and works very well.
I'm not sure if I should talk about this to my family doctor or not since he might think it's just b*llshit. Even if he listens, I don't think there is any local lab that does this test.
What I want to ask is if most labs do vitamin/mineral deficiencies test.
Posted by blueberry on December 6, 2006, at 18:04:30
In reply to Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 12:31:06
The only place I know of that does really specialized testing is a place called Pfeiffer. They have an excellent website to browse through.
They say most psychiatric symptoms can be traced to one of several general conditions:
Histimine high
Histimine low
Pyroluria
Toxic metals (the most common culprits are mercury and copper...copper is in most multivitamins)
Over methylated (must avoid multi vitamins)
Under methylated (need high dose vitamins)
And a few other things.
They basically say that most problems are not caused by a deficiency of something, but rather an excess of something. They scoff at all the retail companies coming out with various versions of high dose vitamins, because they say trying to find one correct dosage of things for everyone is like trying to find one shoe size that fits everyone. For example with some people the last thing they need are B vitamin supplements or copper in a multivitamin.Anyway, Pfeiffer does all these tests. Unless you are willing to travel there, you probably won't find the tests local. They do have patients that come from around the world.
By studying their website you can get good ideas. For example if you high histimine, you should notice an improvement with a sample test of benadryl. If you are overmethylated, you should notice a very uncomfortable reaction to SAMe. If you are undermethylated, SAMe should feel good. Pyroluria responds to high dose zinc and B vitamins, but takes time. A local naturopath doctor can test you for toxic metals.
Posted by anony on December 6, 2006, at 22:11:07
In reply to Re: Lab Tests for Anxiety and Depression, posted by blueberry on December 6, 2006, at 18:04:30
> The only place I know of that does really specialized testing is a place called Pfeiffer. They have an excellent website to browse through.
>
> They say most psychiatric symptoms can be traced to one of several general conditions:
>
> Histimine high
> Histimine low
> Pyroluria
> Toxic metals (the most common culprits are mercury and copper...copper is in most multivitamins)
> Over methylated (must avoid multi vitamins)
> Under methylated (need high dose vitamins)
> And a few other things.
> They basically say that most problems are not caused by a deficiency of something, but rather an excess of something. They scoff at all the retail companies coming out with various versions of high dose vitamins, because they say trying to find one correct dosage of things for everyone is like trying to find one shoe size that fits everyone. For example with some people the last thing they need are B vitamin supplements or copper in a multivitamin.
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> Anyway, Pfeiffer does all these tests. Unless you are willing to travel there, you probably won't find the tests local. They do have patients that come from around the world.
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> By studying their website you can get good ideas. For example if you high histimine, you should notice an improvement with a sample test of benadryl. If you are overmethylated, you should notice a very uncomfortable reaction to SAMe. If you are undermethylated, SAMe should feel good. Pyroluria responds to high dose zinc and B vitamins, but takes time. A local naturopath doctor can test you for toxic metals.That was an awsome post. Thanks a lot for information =)
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