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Posted by ronaldo on November 28, 2006, at 12:46:23
Hello John
Are you still around? About 5 years ago you started taking Adrafinil and you were very pleased with it. Are you still taking it now and what is your verdict on the long term use of it?
I am going to take it myself next year and would really appreciate your experience and advice.
If anyone knows about JohnL I would be grateful.
...ronaldo
Posted by TENMAN on November 28, 2006, at 13:42:52
In reply to Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil, posted by ronaldo on November 28, 2006, at 12:46:23
johnL=blueberry
Posted by Phillipa on November 28, 2006, at 14:41:15
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil, posted by TENMAN on November 28, 2006, at 13:42:52
Blueberry has a name John. Thanks. Love Phillipa
Posted by TENMAN on November 28, 2006, at 14:55:11
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » TENMAN, posted by Phillipa on November 28, 2006, at 14:41:15
> Blueberry has a name John. Thanks. Love Phillipa
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean? That's essentially what I said in my previous post.
Ten
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 28, 2006, at 16:51:49
In reply to Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil, posted by ronaldo on November 28, 2006, at 12:46:23
> Hello John
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> Are you still around? About 5 years ago you started taking Adrafinil and you were very pleased with it. Are you still taking it now and what is your verdict on the long term use of it?
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> I am going to take it myself next year and would really appreciate your experience and advice.
>
> If anyone knows about JohnL I would be grateful.
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> ...ronaldoHi ronaldo,
Hey, anymore info you get about adrafinil, please share it with me. I want to learn more..like how is it different than provigil? Which one is stronger, etc.
-Monte
Posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 17:26:07
In reply to Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil, posted by ronaldo on November 28, 2006, at 12:46:23
I took adrafinil for several years in combo of 20mg prozac and 5mg zyprexa. Those were some good years. Adrafinil showed no sign of causing any longterm problems or poopout. It doesn't mess with neurotransmitters but just helps the adrenergic system work better somehow.
But I screwed up. I started smoking pot. When I smoked I would get explosive diarrhea that had me pulling off the road and running in the woods, or looking really fast for a private place, and a few times I didn't make it. By accident I discovered that if I skipped adrafinil, this didn't happen. So I had to make a choice...pot or adrafinil but not both. I chose pot. Bad mistake.
There were no withdrawals off adrafinil. Slowly over months my depression creeped back in. Not even pot could make me feel good any more. I was afraid of being my own doctor again, so I went to psychiatrists. That has not been good to me.
I restarted adrafinil 2 days ago but have no idea if it will work again.As I recall, adrafinil gave me a real good mood boost on the first day, at just one half a tab. Then the good effect was gone and I just felt the same lousy I had felt before. But I kept taking it because literature says it needs weeks and months to work. I increased to 2 tabs for a while and then maintained on 1 tab. At about 3 weeks it started to kick in...more sociable, more interest in things, motivated, depression going away.
This time around I again experienced the immediate good effects on day 1. Day 2 was lousy, with a headache and just my usual blah depressed self. So now I need to work on increasing the dose and it is a waiting game to see if it will work again.
This time around the backdrop is different. I wish there was no backdrop at all, but I don't want to mess with a bunch of things all at once. Instead of prozac 20mg it is 300mg Kira SJW. Instead of 5mg zyprexa it is 2.5mg, and weaning down. This time around there is lots of high EPA fish oil. I might need some emergency xanax if my mood plummets badly or if I get anxiety. So the whole thing is different this time and I have no idea.
My doctors had no idea with anything they had me do either, whether it was cymbalta or depakote or ritalin or ECT or whatever. So many. All I know is that nothing has worked and it has been all downhill. Xanax has been the only thing in the last few years that boosts my mood. I haven't taken any in months but I always carry some with me. Anyway, I'm sorry to get off topic. I meant to just talk about adrafinil.
Like anything else, mileage varies. I wish for you to get fantastic mileage.
Hope this helps.
blueberry
Posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 17:51:25
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » ronaldo, posted by Crazy Horse on November 28, 2006, at 16:51:49
> Hey, anymore info you get about adrafinil, please share it with me. I want to learn more..like how is it different than provigil? Which one is stronger, etc.
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> -MonteMonte,
This is all just based on things I've read in obscure places, but adrafinil supposedly is a better antidepressant than provigil. One website claims it is far superior to prozac. Adrafinil supposedly has few side effects. The most common is a feeling of inner tension, which means the dose went up too fast or is too high. Another is that it can raise liver enzymes and blood tests should be taken to monitor it a couple times a year. My liver function was fine over several years. I took 1 or 2 tabs a day instead of the recommended 2 to 4. Modafinil was created to mimic adrafinil without the liver issues. Modafinil is very expensive. Adrafinil is dirt cheap. Lots more info in my previous post in this thread. Hope this helps.
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 28, 2006, at 18:09:16
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » Crazy Horse, posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 17:51:25
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> > Hey, anymore info you get about adrafinil, please share it with me. I want to learn more..like how is it different than provigil? Which one is stronger, etc.
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> > -Monte
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> Monte,
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> This is all just based on things I've read in obscure places, but adrafinil supposedly is a better antidepressant than provigil. One website claims it is far superior to prozac. Adrafinil supposedly has few side effects. The most common is a feeling of inner tension, which means the dose went up too fast or is too high. Another is that it can raise liver enzymes and blood tests should be taken to monitor it a couple times a year. My liver function was fine over several years. I took 1 or 2 tabs a day instead of the recommended 2 to 4. Modafinil was created to mimic adrafinil without the liver issues. Modafinil is very expensive. Adrafinil is dirt cheap. Lots more info in my previous post in this thread. Hope this helps.
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>It does help! Thank you. :)
-Monte
Posted by ronaldo on November 29, 2006, at 3:41:15
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » ronaldo, posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 17:26:07
Hi blueberry,
Thanks for all your info and good wishes. I reckon I will only start Adrafinil end of January. I want off the Olanzapine first.
ciao
...ronaldo
Posted by ronaldo on November 29, 2006, at 6:25:27
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » ronaldo, posted by Crazy Horse on November 28, 2006, at 16:51:49
>Hi ronaldo,
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> Hey, anymore info you get about adrafinil, please share it with me. I want to learn more..like how is it different than provigil? Which one is stronger, etc.
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> -MonteMonte,
I read somewhere, I can't find it now, that Adrafinil boosts the action of the anti-convulsant drugs. It also says you should not take it if you are epileptic.
...ronaldo
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 10:20:05
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » Crazy Horse, posted by ronaldo on November 29, 2006, at 6:25:27
> >Hi ronaldo,
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> > Hey, anymore info you get about adrafinil, please share it with me. I want to learn more..like how is it different than provigil? Which one is stronger, etc.
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> > -Monte
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> Monte,
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> I read somewhere, I can't find it now, that Adrafinil boosts the action of the anti-convulsant drugs. It also says you should not take it if you are epileptic.
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> ...ronaldo
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Thanks for looking out for me bud. I am not epileptic, i take the Lyrica for depression/anxiety, and it also helps my chronic pain. I can't wait to get my Adrafinil! I'll let you know as soon as i get it. :) Thanks for ALL you help ronaldo..your a good guy.-Monte
Posted by ronaldo on November 29, 2006, at 13:45:17
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil » ronaldo, posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 10:20:05
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 17:49:01
In reply to Adrafinil: manufacturer's insert » Crazy Horse, posted by ronaldo on November 29, 2006, at 13:45:17
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> http://www.adrafinil.com/prescribe.htmlThanks ronaldo. I think the warning about antiepileptics is for those w/epilepsy, which i don't have. Regardless, i will be extra careful since i'm taking Lyrica. I don't think it'll be a prob as i have taken it's close relative provigal w/Lyrica in the past. Thanks again. :)
-Monte
Posted by dreamboat_annie on November 29, 2006, at 19:17:56
In reply to Re: Calling JOHNL re Adrafinil, posted by TENMAN on November 28, 2006, at 13:42:52
don't you think it should have been up to blueberry to identify himself as JohnL?
> johnL=blueberry
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 19:24:54
In reply to I know it's a moot point now, but » TENMAN, posted by dreamboat_annie on November 29, 2006, at 19:17:56
> don't you think it should have been up to blueberry to identify himself as JohnL?
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I agree with you, it is a 'moot point.':) MJ
Posted by dreamboat_annie on November 29, 2006, at 21:12:50
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 19:24:54
> > don't you think it should have been up to blueberry to identify himself as JohnL?
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> I agree with you, it is a 'moot point.'
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> :) MJ
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Sorry, was it inappropriate of me to raise it? I just thought that some people change their posting names for a reason and may not want their old posting name associated with their new one.
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 21:50:53
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by dreamboat_annie on November 29, 2006, at 21:12:50
> > > don't you think it should have been up to blueberry to identify himself as JohnL?
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> Sorry, was it inappropriate of me to raise it? I just thought that some people change their posting names for a reason and may not want their old posting name associated with their new one.
>No, not all. Actually i was just having a little fun w/you. :) Personally, i totally agree w/you, it should of been up to blueberry.
-MJ
Posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 4:59:18
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by Crazy Horse on November 29, 2006, at 19:24:54
JohnL was a much different person than blueberry is. They both hold similar beliefs, but blueberry is far more experienced with ups and downs, time, and research, and much more open-minded. The main difference is the passion for other people that blueberry has, which JohnL didn't have. JohnL just wanted to be "right" all the time for one's own glory, not for passion of helping someone else.
After being away from pbabble for several years, re-registration was required. While pondering a new name for a new age, it was the height of blueberry season with a backyard full of blueberry bushes fully fruited and a serious depression. It was a natural choice.
Blueberry cringes to look at archived posts of JohnL.
Posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 5:08:19
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 4:59:18
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> Blueberry cringes to look at archived posts of JohnL.More accurately, cringes and grimaces, sighs, moans and groans.
Posted by ronaldo on November 30, 2006, at 5:33:45
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 5:08:19
> > Blueberry cringes to look at archived posts of JohnL.
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> More accurately, cringes and grimaces, sighs, moans and groans.Hey???!!!???
Did I miss something? I am just glad that I have tracked JohnL down. JohnL had a wealth of valuable experience with Adrafinil that I was desperate to tap into. Welcome home JohnL, sorry...blueberry, but the JohnL memory files are still intact and readily accessible to blueberry, and his friends....
...ronaldo
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 30, 2006, at 10:04:31
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 5:08:19
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> I think most of us can say that of some of our earliest threads/posts. Heck, i can say it of some of my most recent. :)-MJ
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Posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 16:13:11
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 5:08:19
Blueberry and JohnL are two very different people.
Blueberry has had 3 emergency room visits.
Blueberry has had 1 partial hospital stay.
Blueberry has had a 2 day stay in a crisis center.
Blueberry has spent a week in the hospital psych ward.
Blueberry has been suicidal several times.JohnL has never experienced anything like that.
Blueberry needs help and blueberry likes to give help. I give many heartfelt thanks to all of you who have offered me support, ideas, experiences, and suggestions. They mean so much to me and are giving me the one thing I need the most...HOPE.
Posted by headcheese01 on December 2, 2006, at 6:49:52
In reply to Re: I know it's a moot point now, but, posted by blueberry on November 30, 2006, at 16:13:11
I hope you achieve wellness soon, Blueberry. Just for the record, I always found the JohnL posts to be the most down to earth, common sense laden posts on pbabble. I always wondered where you went.
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