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Posted by Pluto on November 14, 2006, at 1:47:26
Hi
I have a problem.
I take Solian (Amisulpride) 50mg daily for anxiety. First it was Dogmatil (Sulpiride) but now I am fine with Amisulpride. Having been at least two years on it, I tried to quit it several times.
But withdrawal was horrible. Horrendous anxiety plus all obsessive thoughts coming back fiercely to keep me ruminating all the time. Going back to the drug was the only relief then.
I am currently on 1.5mg of Xanax too.
My question is (I hope upping the Xanax to 3 or 4mg per day can halt amisulpride withdrawal symptoms. But I know 3to 4mg is a high dose of Xanax. Though I win in shedding amisulpride, will I be substituting it with another addiction? (This time Xanax?) Can anyone use 3 or 4 mg of Xanax for a couple of weeks maximum then taper andgo back to 1mg or 1.5mg?
Any comments please..
Cheers
PLS
Posted by blueberry on November 14, 2006, at 20:22:58
In reply to To Stop Solian: Should I go with Xanax 3mg?, posted by Pluto on November 14, 2006, at 1:47:26
Why stop solian?
Best bet is to taper down in tiny steps. Make it 22mg for a week, 20mg for a week, 17mg for a week, and so on, down to zero. It's easy enough to break little chunks off the pill and they don't have to be exact. Actually not being exact will be helpful in getting the body to readjust.
But solian is a good med and that is a very low dose. Not sure what the prob is. But slow taper is what I have done with it in the past.
Posted by Quintal on November 15, 2006, at 13:25:33
In reply to Re: To Stop Solian: Should I go with Xanax 3mg? » Pluto, posted by blueberry on November 14, 2006, at 20:22:58
Hi Pluto,
I agree with blueberry, why do you think Xanax would be superior to Solian? I believe I have answered your question elsewhere on another thread so I won't repeat it all here, but generally speaking benzos have the potential to cause real addiction and are prone to pooping out and causing other problems such as worsening depression and causing aggressive behaviour.
I'm speaking from experience here after recovering from a five year Klonopin (and others) habit and I am now trying to get my GP to re-prescribe amisulpride as it was so effective and left all of my mental faculties intact and lacked sedation and cognitive impairment that benzos caused. Withdrawing from benzos is much worse than withdrawing from Solian. With Solian you just get your original problems coming back, but with benzos - well, just don't get me started okay? Let's just say the withdrawal is VERY VERY BAD if you are ever forced to withdraw abruptly.
I understand you wanting to experiment with other meds to test their effect as I did this a lot myself, but IMHO you are moving to an inferior product by switching to benzos, especially since you have had so much success with amisulpride.
I don't think you can become addicted to Solian as such, it is more of a dependence thing, which will happen with any meds that really work and can also happen in therapy and in everyday life (depending on friends for support etc). It's all part of life and nothing to worry over or feel bad about if the thing you are depending on is keeping you well.
Good luck and take care in any case.
Posted by Vale on November 15, 2006, at 17:58:25
In reply to To Stop Solian: Should I go with Xanax 3mg?, posted by Pluto on November 14, 2006, at 1:47:26
Hi there,
I've been experimenting with the pituatory lobe hormone, oxcytocin. It seriously reduced the unpleasantness of withdrawing from opiates(Administered as a nasal spray. strictly off label and experimental,it's worth a try. Available from Goldpharma.com as Syntocinon nasal spray.
Not suitable for pregnant women, or using even in close proximity to preganant women ( induces uterine contractions, used clinicaly for this purpose)There may even be a link between the Benzamides ( solian) and the oxytocin receptor system. ( Ref. Claude Rifat and GHB) I certainly experience effects vaguely reminiscent of my own foray with amisulpride and sulpride.
Good luck.
Posted by Quintal on November 15, 2006, at 18:06:55
In reply to Re: To Stop Solian: Should I go with Xanax 3mg?, posted by Vale on November 15, 2006, at 17:58:25
> Hi there,
> I've been experimenting with the pituatory lobe hormone, oxcytocin. It seriously reduced the unpleasantness of withdrawing from opiates(Administered as a nasal spray. strictly off label and experimental,it's worth a try. Available from Goldpharma.com as Syntocinon nasal spray.
> Not suitable for pregnant women, or using even in close proximity to preganant women ( induces uterine contractions, used clinicaly for this purpose)
>
> There may even be a link between the Benzamides ( solian) and the oxytocin receptor system. ( Ref. Claude Rifat and GHB) I certainly experience effects vaguely reminiscent of my own foray with amisulpride and sulpride.
>
> Good luck.Hi Vale,
It is interesting you should mention this as I was considering trying oxytocin spray myself a few months ago. Can you describe the effect it has on your symptoms? GHB wasn't very effective for my own SA so I'm not sure if it would work for me. I read oxytocin is supposed to work by promoting feelings of emotional warmth and trust. Is this what you have experienced?
I also remember being interested in vasopressin at that time as it was said to have a similar effect?
Q
Posted by Vale on November 16, 2006, at 11:33:25
In reply to Re: To Stop Solian: Should I go with Xanax 3mg?, posted by Quintal on November 15, 2006, at 18:06:55
Hi,
sorry, replys come a day later with me, as I live in central Europe.
the subjective effects of oxytocin for me, are of an anxiolitic nature, that's why I suggested it for the original post. It's pro-social effects are noticable
but less marked than GHB, or even low dose amisulpride for that matter. Actually it seems closest to a mild opiate effect, with a tiny bit of GHB thrown in. Oh yeah, it makes me as gullable as anything as well , I went out shopping and came
home with all this junk that I'd allowed salespeople to talk me into.
Haven't tried Vasopressin.
I think the oxytocin receptor system will eventually be targeted by big pharma, I'm suprised it hasn't happened already.V
Posted by Quintal on November 16, 2006, at 11:52:17
In reply to Re: To Stop Solian: Should I go with Xanax 3mg? » Quintal, posted by Vale on November 16, 2006, at 11:33:25
Hi Vale,
I first saw oxytocin spray advertised as a tool for use by business people to influence customers by promoting a false sense of trust. I wonder if oxytocin has been used as a truth serum by the CIA et al? I can't remember the link between vasopressin and oxytocin now, but I will investigate.
How is it that you become so gullible on oxytocin? Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy and trusting inside? I assume part of your logical reasoning must be shut down?
Q
Posted by Vale on November 17, 2006, at 11:33:03
In reply to Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety » Vale, posted by Quintal on November 16, 2006, at 11:52:17
Hi Q.
I've got the 'Liquid Trust' version as well. It does seem to work the way they say.I'm suprised these guys who sell it got around the FDA, by using what's basicaly a pharmaceutical and marketing it as a "body fragrance". This also happened with GBL, marketed as a muscle enhancer ( gamma butyrolactone) but the FDA eventually shut the various operations down.( not that the FDA always has our best interest in mind though)I would reccommend only certified products like the nasal spray version from Novartis or other recognised institution.
The oxytocin trust thing is hard to explain, it's more like damping down of skepticism, rather than full blown trust. It's anti-anxiety effects seem more akin to the neuroleptics, ie. not getting worked up by a certain threatening situation, rather than feeling tranquilized down, like one would on benzos, etc.
I only use it occasionaly, a while back I was using it regularly, and on stopping noticed a kind of discontinuation syndrome. Slight anxiety, myalgia, and noise sensitivity.
V.
Posted by erik98225 on November 18, 2006, at 5:02:42
In reply to Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety » Vale, posted by Quintal on November 16, 2006, at 11:52:17
> Hi Vale,
>
> I first saw oxytocin spray advertised as a tool for use by business people to influence customers by promoting a false sense of trust. I wonder if oxytocin has been used as a truth serum by the CIA et al? I can't remember the link between vasopressin and oxytocin now, but I will investigate.Chiming in here, I've never even HEARD of Solian or Oxytocin (unless it's OxyCONTIN misspelled!), but I have social phobia myself, and the Miracle Cocktail for me is Klonopin 1.5mg and Lyrica 600mg.
Posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 10:58:33
In reply to Re: Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety » Quintal, posted by erik98225 on November 18, 2006, at 5:02:42
No it's not oxycontin misspelled ;-) though I had wondered about that drug too. Oxytocin is a hormone released during childbirth to stimulate contractions and also the 'let down' of milk during breastfeeding. It helps with the bonding process between mother and baby.
Solian is an antipsychotic drug that has dopamine agonist effects (think cocaine) at low doses and antagonist effects at higher doses.
Klonopin worked very well for me too for many years but I have been forced to withdraw and no longer have access to it. I've asked my GP for pregabalin but she refuses to prescribe it on grounds of lack of experience.
Good luck with that cocktail.
Q
Posted by erik98225 on November 18, 2006, at 13:28:26
In reply to Re: Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety » erik98225, posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 10:58:33
If you want a good pdoc, get one who is a Psychopharmacologist -- they are generally much more willing to try new meds and are probably more up to speed on what the meds do.
If you're in the greater Seattle area, Dr. Orenstein is the ONLY one to see -- see following post.
Posted by Quintal on November 18, 2006, at 14:47:48
In reply to Good Doctor » Quintal, posted by erik98225 on November 18, 2006, at 13:28:26
Thanks for the link erik. Unfortunately I live in the UK and have to put up with whatever the NHS gives me: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20061117/msgs/704697.html
That's why I'm now using my own intitative and going to Peru for an Ayahuasca healing ritual.
Q
Posted by elanor roosevelt on November 22, 2006, at 21:58:27
In reply to Re: Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety » Quintal, posted by Vale on November 17, 2006, at 11:33:03
where do you get this?
Posted by Quintal on November 23, 2006, at 7:04:13
In reply to Re: Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety, posted by elanor roosevelt on November 22, 2006, at 21:58:27
You can buy it here: http://www.verolabs.com/product.php?UID=2006112308022688.110.78.59, http://www.verolabs.com/
Q
Posted by Quintal on November 23, 2006, at 7:08:54
In reply to Re: Oxytocin Spray for Social Anxiety » elanor roosevelt, posted by Quintal on November 23, 2006, at 7:04:13
Here are some interesting links on the subject: http://www.oxytocin.org/oxy/love.html, http://dadtalk.typepad.com/dadtalk/2005/06/oxytocin_spray_.html
Q
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