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Posted by secretstrangth on August 5, 2006, at 5:56:36
Just wondering.....
Many people in my family are bipolar
Many people in my family also have a very low threshold for "passing out" due to sudden pain, certain types of pain, or site of blood and needles etc......to the point of having minor seizures.
Does anyone else experience this?
Is there some connection between seizures and bipolar?
is that why these drugs work as mood stabilizers?
Posted by Estella on August 5, 2006, at 9:35:40
In reply to anti seizure medication, posted by secretstrangth on August 5, 2006, at 5:56:36
> Many people in my family also have a very low threshold for "passing out" due to sudden pain, certain types of pain, or site of blood and needles etc......to the point of having minor seizures.Anxiety? Panic attack type response?
> Is there some connection between seizures and bipolar?
> is that why these drugs work as mood stabilizers?I'm not sure...
I know that people who had seizures seemed more relaxed and happy after having a seizure... I think that is what gave them the idea of inducing seizures in people with depression (aka ECT). at least... thats what I heard...I'm not sure about the other...
Except that people talk about TLE personality at times (though that might be one of those disorders / terms that isn't used so much in recent years...)
Posted by Phillipa on August 5, 2006, at 11:05:48
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication » secretstrangth, posted by Estella on August 5, 2006, at 9:35:40
Estella what's TLE? Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on August 5, 2006, at 11:07:30
In reply to anti seizure medication, posted by secretstrangth on August 5, 2006, at 5:56:36
Which meds are you talking about? The benzos are considered antiseizure meds . Love Phillipa
Posted by secretstrangth on August 5, 2006, at 17:40:54
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication » secretstrangth, posted by Estella on August 5, 2006, at 9:35:40
>Yes, this would also include anxiety type response.........
That's very interesting about feeling relaxed after a seizure.......cause, now that i think about it.......i feel the same way when i come around.......
i hadn't heard that connection before to ECT
> > Many people in my family also have a very low threshold for "passing out" due to sudden pain, certain types of pain, or site of blood and needles etc......to the point of having minor seizures.
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> Anxiety? Panic attack type response?
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> > Is there some connection between seizures and bipolar?
> > is that why these drugs work as mood stabilizers?
>
> I'm not sure...
> I know that people who had seizures seemed more relaxed and happy after having a seizure... I think that is what gave them the idea of inducing seizures in people with depression (aka ECT). at least... thats what I heard...
>
> I'm not sure about the other...
>
> Except that people talk about TLE personality at times (though that might be one of those disorders / terms that isn't used so much in recent years...)
>
>
Posted by Estella on August 6, 2006, at 0:34:07
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication, posted by secretstrangth on August 5, 2006, at 17:40:54
i found this:
Posted by Estella on August 6, 2006, at 0:36:08
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication, posted by Estella on August 6, 2006, at 0:34:07
I also found something that said that the rates of TLE (temporal lobe epilepsy) were no higher in bi-polar patients than in the general population.
I also found something that said that the rates of pseudo-seizures were higher in bi-polar patients than in the general population. EEG differentiates seizures from pseudoseizures (pseudoseizures are more related to anxiety I think...)
But I don't really know...
Posted by Phillipa on August 6, 2006, at 19:59:34
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication, posted by Estella on August 6, 2006, at 0:36:08
I saw one once. The medical doc was there. The patient didn't do the things a real seizure pt does. No loss of urine. No twitching and no after sleeping. She was very angry throwing herself about . I have no idea how the doc knew but he did he pulled on her arm and knew. He had us give him IV valium and he injected it into a vein. Well she calmed down with the valium. In a way it was done for attention. Very complicated to tell the difference. Thankfully a medical doc was there at the time. I think she was a patient the pdocs couldn't diagnose. Love Phillipa
Posted by Estella on August 8, 2006, at 9:29:09
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication » Estella, posted by Phillipa on August 6, 2006, at 19:59:34
> I saw one once. The medical doc was there. The patient didn't do the things a real seizure pt does. No loss of urine. No twitching and no after sleeping.
There are many different kinds of seizures...
Some seizures don't involve those.
I think that with grand mal the body is meant to go rigid though, maybe he guessed 'cause she wasn't rigid? I don't know very much about seizures.> I have no idea how the doc knew but he did he pulled on her arm and knew.
Did he say it was a pseudo-seizure? I'm wondering because benzo's are meant to help seizures...
Maybe he guessed? Or maybe she was anger, sometimes we say that people are in a 'fit' of rage...
> In a way it was done for attention.
Is that what she said? Maybe it was a panic response. They aren't typically volountary.
> Very complicated to tell the difference.
An EEG usually helps. There are complications there too though...
I'd imagine that Pseudo-seizures are probably just as scarey and disorienting to experience as epileptic seizures... But then I've never experienced either...
I mean anxiety isn't like a seizure, it would be more like a pseudo-seizure. That doesn't mean that the person has any more control over it. Though... Both pseudo-seizures and epileptic seizures can be learned to be controlled to some extent...
Posted by Phillipa on August 8, 2006, at 20:12:36
In reply to Re: anti seizure medication » Phillipa, posted by Estella on August 8, 2006, at 9:29:09
Estella yes to learning to control anxiety to some extent maybe for some eliminate the need for meds. A real seizure whether Grand Mal of Petit seizure is a real disorder of the brain and requires meds for life. My Husband's brother has seizures from brigh lights and too much stimulation. Had them since a child and then a brain tumor. Not to say a seizure causes brain tumors just that in his case it was a sign. He has to takemeds daily or he will have another seizure. And they no longer put something like a tongue depressor in a seizure patiens mouth during the seizure so they don't bite their tongue. Their body quivers How strongly depends on the type. Some only have eye twitches or something minor like that. And an EEG yes will be able to diagnose seizures. The pseudo ones. They are just hard to describe. The patient displays all the symptoms. Learned behavior I don't know. I'm sure you've googled them? I think I will as I really don't know. Love phillipa
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