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Posted by tessellated on May 25, 2006, at 16:07:59
I couldn't believe it.
I had no choice due to work etc.
Did 2 jobs, cleaned house, etc, etc.
None of the tweakyness associated with amphetamine binges.
I had had 2 days of sleep prior.
And was using heavy machinery with cutting edges no problem.DO NOT DO THIS YOUSELF. IT IS PROBABLY DANGEROUS.
It is the second day now of recovery, but I do begin to think that REM is the biggest factor. As I had had extra sleep before, at hour 100, I suffered no perceptual disturbances, aside from from a sort of natural detachment.
I would love to gain more understanding about the state of the art research on sleep, why we need it, and truly how much.
tessel8ed
Posted by mike lynch on May 25, 2006, at 16:43:12
In reply to 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate, posted by tessellated on May 25, 2006, at 16:07:59
HOLY #@$ are you sure meth wasn't laced into that pill? Ha, just kidding. That is absolutely crazy though.
Posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2006, at 19:45:49
In reply to Re: 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate, posted by mike lynch on May 25, 2006, at 16:43:12
I agree I need to sleep. Love Phillipa
Posted by Caedmon on May 25, 2006, at 21:52:28
In reply to Re: 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate » mike lynch, posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2006, at 19:45:49
Hypomania?
- Chris
Posted by willyee on May 26, 2006, at 1:46:06
In reply to 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate, posted by tessellated on May 25, 2006, at 16:07:59
Some times sedatives for me seem to have a adverse affect with parnate,if parnate dose was to high,or specific sedatives seemed to put me in a maniac state,i can remeber occasions where i was taking simply parnate and klono,and in a similiar state as u,and just kept dosing klonopin and the more i took the more maniac i got,where normaly klonopin can help me sleep at .25
On the same note there been times where parnate had me running for the nearest bed every dose,its quite a weird drug i believe.
And the restoritive process of sleep im sure is very important,a night or two on a binge couldent hurt,maybe in some cases even benificial,but overall i believe more protective processes take place during sleep than we can count.Even a bear hybernates lol.
Posted by Iansf on May 26, 2006, at 2:17:16
In reply to 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate, posted by tessellated on May 25, 2006, at 16:07:59
I hardly slept at all the first month I was on Parnate, though I usually got incredibly sleepy midafternoon and could hardly prevent myself from nodding off for about an hour. After four weeks, the insomnia completely disappeared, and I began sleeping normally again. The insomnia didn't bother me at all. The only problem was the midafternoon sleepiness, but as it lasted only an hour, it wasn't that much of a problem.
Posted by tessellated on May 26, 2006, at 7:45:37
In reply to Re: 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate, posted by Iansf on May 26, 2006, at 2:17:16
hypomania is great-hypo not mania. i'm an artist so the history testifies to the potential benefits.
what was most astounding, and i was dosing about 30mg every 4-6 hours, augmenting some of this some of that, like provigil, xyrem, was that it did not produce the amphetamine tweakyness/paranoia/stereotactic behaviors like grooming and good old self mutiliation of zits.
i was operating heavy machinery, a cnc machine spinning at 30,000 RPM cutting 3 inch thick ash, and this sounds weird but i practice the martial art of knife throwing, and i was completely functional, distanced, but "on" up to about hour 90ish before i began drinking alchohol.
those hypo manic states are rather remarkable, mentally and physically. as well I notice an heightened empathic awareness. the minute that becomes an overt sensation of "psychic", I back off. though that happens predictably, and i have had several objective and mysterious experiences in that state, though it is the first step into a manic psychosis.
the withdrawl from high dose is the most dangerous.
recently i stopped entirely and for the first day heard nothing but classical music coming from any and everything. i think the withdrawl of high dose is the thing to be the most cautios of, due to the parallelism to aphetamines of inducing a paranoid psychosis.regardless parnate is a remarkable life affirming substance.
and a world above amphetamines.
but its metabolic process has nothing to do with a 24hr cycle.
i only become alert at 1pm, and clear around midnight.
regardless: the nights here in los angeles are far more beautiful than any other time, so turning vampire like aint so bad.its funny when i begin my 36/12 hour parnate cycle, i associate sleep with death.
the science of sleep is still not understood. period. the purpose of REM is contested, as are the other states. The one thing i notice not sleeping (though i meditate throughout) is an ever so slightly weaken immune system-mostly past hour 36.
i do believe with time we can eliminate much of the need for sleep. or control and isolate the requirements.
bears hibernate because its hard to find food in snow.
Human sleep evolved largely as a way to avoid exposing ourselves to predators in the night.
Dolphins sleep on only half of their brain at a time. Therefore they are constantly in a dream time reality. They need to in order to navigate 24/7. Birds during their long migratory flights may not sleep at all-its not known-yet I believe.
I think much of sleep is an evolutionary leftover, much like depression is thought of as aprimate social coping mechanism to reduce internal agression.
the last point of curiosity: typically people sleep deprived begin showing signs of psychosis around hour 40. i having had a parnate induced psychosis believe it is very similar to a waking dream, ones mind produces signals indifferent from those of the sense organs and the two blend seamlessly.
this is what i was suprised by. I believe you can sort of cash in and cash out-without harm. but this is not for everyone. i know i'm not depressed when life outweights any and all desire for sleep and seems to be a waste of even a minute of it.
except when spooning a lover. there is nothing that replaces that.
cheers,
8ed
Posted by djmmm on May 26, 2006, at 16:18:45
In reply to 107 hours of no sleep w/Parnate, posted by tessellated on May 25, 2006, at 16:07:59
Im guessing your hypomanic...i had a brief period of this when starting parnate for the first time a few years ago.
I would suggest a low dose benzo (.25 mg of Klonopin) and perhaps someting like diphenhydramine and/or melatonin at night.
Try to take your complete dose of parnate BEFORE NOON..this helps tremendously.
Avoid any other stimulant (like caffeine) after NOON
If you're up to it, try going to the gym, or going for a walk, too.
Good Luck....this period will pass!
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