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Posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 0:22:13
It's settled. I need the amphetamine-like kick of Parnate. I am officially addicted to the stupid drug, fiending for it even after it's all out of my system.
Plus I need to lose weight. 88 pounds is getting old and anorexia has destroyed my metabolism.
Addicted to Parnate. I am so pathetic. I went from being addicted to shooting heroin to being addicted to taking a MAOI. Sigh. How very 2006.
So here's the deal:
Off Parnate ten days
On EMSAM three daysIf I stop EMSAM now, what is the MINIMUM amount of days I should wait before starting Parnate again? I'm thinking three.
Ideas, opinions?
Posted by RobertDavid on April 23, 2006, at 0:33:30
In reply to Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 0:22:13
Are you taking the 20mg patch? If so perhaps you should consider taking the 30 or 40 mgs patch before you quit. To save money perhaps just take two 20mg patches (40 mgs) and you might see the kind of stimulation/response you're looking for. Just a thought. Good luck. Rob
Posted by Iansf on April 23, 2006, at 1:08:22
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate » tygereyes, posted by RobertDavid on April 23, 2006, at 0:33:30
> Are you taking the 20mg patch? If so perhaps you should consider taking the 30 or 40 mgs patch before you quit. To save money perhaps just take two 20mg patches (40 mgs) and you might see the kind of stimulation/response you're looking for. Just a thought. Good luck. Rob
Yes, I wouldn't give up on Emsam so quickly. Its effect typically wouldn't be felt for a few weeks, though some people are reporting a noticeable improvement in mood in as few as five days. Try to give it at least two weeks if you possibly can; three is even better. But definitely don't cross it off after just three days. If you look back, I'm fairly certain you'll see it took at least a couple weeks before Parnate took effect when you first started it. Antidepressants, unfortunately, don't work right away - they always take time to get started.
Posted by MARTY on April 23, 2006, at 2:48:42
In reply to Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 0:22:13
Hi Tiger --First about the switch of MAOI. Even if you took ENSAM 3 days you need to stop everything for minimum 7 days. This is what the lastest PDR version of Parnate says. BTW, from what I experienced lately, reaction when not respecting the required days are very bad. I've start Parnate 7 days after Nardil and got a BP ~240+ in less then 40 min after taking Parnate..
The way I understand it you're not telling that you no more have faith in ENSAM, you're telling us more like "whatever ENSAM (will) give me, it will not be what I want and what I want is Parnate" .. I'm sure you know that in 3 days you could not see nothing from ENSAM, so I'll not tell you to give him more time.
The feeling I have from what I see on this forum is that it is sure ENSAM will not give you an amphetamine-like feeling.
But if I were you, well, I may as well continue just to be sure of what ENSAM is made of. You don't want to be there in 10 years from now asking yourself if it would do the job and starting all over .. I'm sure your withdrawal from Parnate wasn't much fun :S whatever I would give ENSAM 2 weeks just to see his color even knowing that after that I would return to Parnate.
Marty> It's settled. I need the amphetamine-like kick of Parnate. I am officially addicted to the stupid drug, fiending for it even after it's all out of my system.
>
> Plus I need to lose weight. 88 pounds is getting old and anorexia has destroyed my metabolism.
>
> Addicted to Parnate. I am so pathetic. I went from being addicted to shooting heroin to being addicted to taking a MAOI. Sigh. How very 2006.
>
> So here's the deal:
>
> Off Parnate ten days
> On EMSAM three days
>
> If I stop EMSAM now, what is the MINIMUM amount of days I should wait before starting Parnate again? I'm thinking three.
>
> Ideas, opinions?
Posted by willyee on April 23, 2006, at 4:14:22
In reply to Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 0:22:13
I feel u so much,its a love hate,i hate this stupid drug now cause it doesent help me much at all,yet off it i feel inferior and much worse,and the fact no options seem to exisit to get help for it sickens my stomach.
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 9:34:24
In reply to Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 0:22:13
> It's settled. I need the amphetamine-like kick of Parnate. I am officially addicted to the stupid drug, fiending for it even after it's all out of my system.
>
> Plus I need to lose weight. 88 pounds is getting old and anorexia has destroyed my metabolism.
>
> Addicted to Parnate. I am so pathetic. I went from being addicted to shooting heroin to being addicted to taking a MAOI. Sigh. How very 2006.
>
> So here's the deal:
>
> Off Parnate ten days
> On EMSAM three days
>
> If I stop EMSAM now, what is the MINIMUM amount of days I should wait before starting Parnate again? I'm thinking three.
>
> Ideas, opinions?How long were you on Parnate before switching to EMSAM? The reason i'm asking is because the amphetamine kick Parnate gives is short lived. After a couple of weeks it's gone, but what is left is (for me anyway) a great anti depressant and anti anxiety effect. So, if it's an ampetamine high your looking for, you won't find it long term with Parnate.
-CH
Posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2006, at 11:10:04
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate » tygereyes, posted by Crazy Horse on April 23, 2006, at 9:34:24
Are you saying ENSAM is not what delivering the results it was supposed to and that it's no better than the rest? Love Phillipa
Posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 12:09:46
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2006, at 11:10:04
I was on Parnate for nine months. However, when the amphetamine-like feeling stopped, I would either stop and restart the med or up my dose.
I know I have not given EMSAM a fair trial.
Right now I am looking to feel like I am on speed again and I am looking to lose weight. Parnate gave me that from Day One. Maybe one day when alleviating depression is my goal, I will switch back.
But for now? No one will prescribe me Adderall because I'll abuse it and Parnate is a damn good substitiute.
So the consensus is seven days? I don't know if I can wait seven days.
Posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 16:30:07
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 12:09:46
I am thinking about starting Parnate three days after having been off EMSAM, since I was only on EMSAM for three days, at the lowest dose.
If EMSAM is supposedly different from Parnate and Nardil, then why do I need to wait the full week?
I need my Parnate NOW! :(
Posted by gibber on April 23, 2006, at 22:01:32
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2006, at 11:10:04
no, they are saying that EMSAM does NOT give the same amphetamine kick that parnate does. The antidepressant qualities will vary from person to person with either drug.
Posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2006, at 23:35:59
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by gibber on April 23, 2006, at 22:01:32
No offense is that what you all are looking for? An anphetamine feeling? All I want is my anxiety to disappear and eliminate any depression. So what med for me? Sounds like parnate is like an amphetamine and ENSAM is milder? Love Phillipa
Posted by scatterbrained on April 24, 2006, at 2:44:31
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 23, 2006, at 16:30:07
So you want to take a psychotropic medication that is used to alleviate depression to help increase your anorexia instead? Why not just use illicit drugs? Why even go the psychotropic route if you are not interested in treating your illness?If you were a true hard core anorexic you'd be able to lose weight without medication anyway. People are suffering here this is not a joke.
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 24, 2006, at 5:04:07
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by scatterbrained on April 24, 2006, at 2:44:31
> So you want to take a psychotropic medication that is used to alleviate depression to help increase your anorexia instead? Why not just use illicit drugs? Why even go the psychotropic route if you are not interested in treating your illness?If you were a true hard core anorexic you'd be able to lose weight without medication anyway. People are suffering here this is not a joke.
I agree totally!
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 24, 2006, at 5:23:56
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate » gibber, posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2006, at 23:35:59
> No offense is that what you all are looking for? An anphetamine feeling? All I want is my anxiety to disappear and eliminate any depression. So what med for me? Sounds like parnate is like an amphetamine and ENSAM is milder? Love Phillipa
Dear Jan,
To clear the record for you, Parnate can have an amphetamine effect when it first kicks in that (for me, and most people) lasts about a week. After this, it becomes and is a strong antidepressant and a strong anti-anxiety agent..this is what most people including myself take it for. Others evidently take it to "try" to get high, even by snorting it! Never heard such a thing. This is obvious abuse Jan, and not what Parnate is supposed to be used for.EMSAM, a milder version, no not really. Probably no amphetamine effect in the 1st week like parnate, but for many just as effective against depression and anxiety.
Jan, remember what we told Tepi about being careful who he listens to, that He'll just get confused. The same applies here my friend. Ask Ed what he thinks also, as you know He is knowledgeable as well as responsible and mature. :) He is our online pharmacist..:)
Love, Monte
Posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 11:01:46
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by scatterbrained on April 24, 2006, at 2:44:31
> So you want to take a psychotropic medication that is used to alleviate depression to help increase your anorexia instead? Why not just use illicit drugs? Why even go the psychotropic route if you are not interested in treating your illness?If you were a true hard core anorexic you'd be able to lose weight without medication anyway. People are suffering here this is not a joke.
"Hard core" anorectic? ["Anorexic" is a descriptive term and incorrectly used here.]
I almost died last year because of anorexia nervosa. I weighed 58 pounds. I have suffered from this illness since I was 12. I am 23 now.
Sweetie, you don't have a clue what anorexia is until you've been pronounced dead from heart failure because you're at such a low weight. I have been to many hospitals and many physicians and declared the worst case of anorexia they have ever seen in person.
Recently, my bulimic behaviors have become out of control, which is why I want to take Parnate for its appetite-suppressant effects. Something to jump-start further weight loss. Around this weight, my body begins to resist me, because it knows where this is all headed.
I have accepted that I am a chronic anorectic and that I am probably going to die from this illness. It's funny how freeing it is once you've given yourself entirely to the disease.
Posted by MARTY on April 24, 2006, at 12:58:29
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 11:01:46
Just a quick one to say that I'm FLABBERGASTED that a PDoc would give Parnate to someone who is suffering from anorexia nevrosa. While at it why not augment it with some Ephredine, FenFen and Amphetamine just to be sure it does the job for the patient ?How could a Pdoc not see the game, the link between Parnate and Anoxeria, Anoxeria and Parnate.
A doc who doesn't know much about MAOI, and so Parnate effects ? or one who doesn't care ?
And what about if he is accepting to put tiger back to Parnate after just 3 day of ENSAM ?.. to me, it would proove he doesn't care much or there is some incompentency somewhere.I don't think someone could argue that it's because it's the only med that works for here since she didn't tried them all, ENSAM being the proof.
just my 2 cents.
Marty
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060423/msgs/636364.html
BTW, if someone knows about Parnate.. I got another problem with it. Visit to my thread would be appreciate .. i'm in despair
Posted by ed_uk on April 24, 2006, at 13:11:49
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 11:01:46
(((Tyger)))
I hope you're ok. I'm sorry if you've been hurt in this thread. Could you stay on the Emsam a bit longer? It might work really well for you.
AN is a terrible illness. I hope you can conquer it some day.
Kind regards
Ed x
Posted by Caedmon on April 24, 2006, at 19:21:22
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 11:01:46
Hi tygereyes, I'm sorry you feel stuck like this. It sounds to be awful. Is there any way to give EMSAM another try? You may find your craving for Parnate goes away after a while. Good luck, be well.
- C
Posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 22:18:13
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate » tygereyes, posted by ed_uk on April 24, 2006, at 13:11:49
Thank you for your kind response.
However, I am still determined to go on Parnate. I need your expert opinion: I've been off EMSAM since Saturday night. Would it be okay to start Parnate tomorrow a.m.? I have heard of people switching directly from Parnate to Nardil and vice versa, so I don't understand why I couldn't switch from EMSAM to Parnate, especially being that EMSAM doesn't even require dietary restrictions at the lowest dose (the dose I was taking, and only for three days).
> (((Tyger)))
>
> I hope you're ok. I'm sorry if you've been hurt in this thread. Could you stay on the Emsam a bit longer? It might work really well for you.
>
> AN is a terrible illness. I hope you can conquer it some day.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ed x
Posted by scatterbrained on April 26, 2006, at 2:43:34
In reply to Re: Parnate to EMSAM back to Parnate, posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 11:01:46
>""Hard core" anorectic? ["Anorexic" is a descriptive term and incorrectly used here.]"
Sorry for the grammer mistake
"I almost died last year because of anorexia nervosa. I weighed 58 pounds. I have suffered from this illness since I was 12. I am 23 now."
I was wrong I guess you ARE a hardcore "anorectic"
"Sweetie, you don't have a clue what anorexia is until you've been pronounced dead from heart failure because you're at such a low weight. I have been to many hospitals and many physicians and declared the worst case of anorexia they have ever seen in person."
Your right I can't relate to anorexia, but I can relate to suffering
"Recently, my bulimic behaviors have become out of control, which is why I want to take Parnate for its appetite-suppressant effects. Something to jump-start further weight loss. Around this weight, my body begins to resist me, because it knows where this is all headed."
Again,why go the psychiatric med route if your just going to use the drug to heighten your disease?
"I have accepted that I am a chronic anorectic and that I am probably going to die from this illness. It's funny how freeing it is once you've given yourself entirely to the disease. "
You sound suicidal. I think a hospital stay might be the best thing.
I think there is a reason you are here on psychobabble as opposed to scoring some speed, you are asking for help.
Why isn't the great Dr. Bob chiming in right about now? too busy making sure nobody mentions omega 3 on the psycho babble thread?
Posted by Crazy Horse on April 26, 2006, at 5:43:55
In reply to QUESTION FOR ED, posted by tygereyes on April 24, 2006, at 22:18:13
Tigereyes,
After learning more about anerexia and drug addiction the last 3-4 days i want to apologize if i said anything that was offensive to you...i was wrong, i am not here to judge, but to help and encourage. Nobody's asking me or telling me to do this, this is coming straight from my heart.
I only wish you the very best, and from here on out i will only be kind and try to be helpful and supportive. I hope and pray that you will get well. God Bless You!Monte
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