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Posted by GreyWalker on February 8, 2006, at 12:44:05
Hello, I tried generic diazepam today from Mylan. It seems to be good and effective, it is giving me anxiety relief and muscle relaxation, and this is at about 6-10mgs of it.
I had a few questions:
1) I have read some older posts from babble, and some one suggested that Mylan diazepam is poor, but this doesn't make sense to me because it is obviously effective. So, does anyone have any other experiences with Mylan generic diazepam?
2) What are the other diazepam generics, and which ones are better or worse than Mylan from your experiences?
3) I heard about an "orange book" or something that lists stuff about Brand Name versus Generic, does anyone know how to find this book or information?
Posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2006, at 19:38:00
In reply to About Mylan Diazepam, posted by GreyWalker on February 8, 2006, at 12:44:05
I'm taking mylan and at first paid the ridiculous price for brandname and I notice absolutely no difference in the generic mylan. Except now the price isn't $198 now it's $12. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on February 9, 2006, at 0:38:03
In reply to About Mylan Diazepam, posted by GreyWalker on February 8, 2006, at 12:44:05
> Hello, I tried generic diazepam today from Mylan. It seems to be good and effective, it is giving me anxiety relief and muscle relaxation, and this is at about 6-10mgs of it.
>
> I had a few questions:
>
> 1) I have read some older posts from babble, and some one suggested that Mylan diazepam is poor, but this doesn't make sense to me because it is obviously effective. So, does anyone have any other experiences with Mylan generic diazepam?
>
> 2) What are the other diazepam generics, and which ones are better or worse than Mylan from your experiences?
>
> 3) I heard about an "orange book" or something that lists stuff about Brand Name versus Generic, does anyone know how to find this book or information?Mylan in the past did a very naughty thing and bought up all the raw chemicals for making certain benzodiazepines. They were sued in California and the state won. But that's aside.. times move on, and I'm sure they're no different than Teva or Purepac in their manufacturing process.
The Orange Book is the FDA guide to all approved medications and lists some standard guidelines to how generics are tested and approved. It (is a big 6MB Adobe Acrobat file) can be found at http://www.fda.gov/cder/orange/obannual.pdf
I hope that helpsJay
Posted by GreyWalker on February 9, 2006, at 4:26:47
In reply to Re: About Mylan Diazepam » GreyWalker, posted by yxibow on February 9, 2006, at 0:38:03
Posted by GreyWalker on February 9, 2006, at 4:28:45
In reply to Re: About Mylan Diazepam » GreyWalker, posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2006, at 19:38:00
Wow, what a large price difference between the brand name and the generic.
Posted by kerria on February 12, 2006, at 1:03:15
In reply to About Mylan Diazepam, posted by GreyWalker on February 8, 2006, at 12:44:05
i have mylan diazapam and it works well. i only had name brand once- over a year ago and i don't think this is any different.
i have definately noticed differences on other generics though- one was a different shape ER oxycontin. It released so differently than the round shape.
The pharmacist assured me that the FDA approved the oval shaped version but it's definately not the same. That generic was by Teva.
Posted by CaptainOfTheSees on March 30, 2009, at 12:56:58
In reply to About Mylan Diazepam, posted by GreyWalker on February 8, 2006, at 12:44:05
You wrote "The Orange Book is the FDA guide to all approved medications and lists some standard guidelines to how generics are tested and approved."
BUT 10 years into Mylan's generic approval by the FDA--When was the last time a random sample analysis of Mylan's generic diazepam was done?
It was done 10 years ago. The Mylan's dissolve with much more "courseness" than generic Lederle diazepam. Why do Pharmacies have SO MANY Mylan generics? Because they are cheaper!
It is estimated that about 70% maximum delivery comes from Mylan diazepam. This means --if you take a 10mg Mylan diazepam --you're getting 7 mg and a 5mg you're getting 3.5mg of diazepam.
WHY does the Lederle generic diazepam work exactly like the Brand Valium? And why don't all of the BIG pharmacies use it (Lederle?!)
MYLAN IS UNSCRUPULOUS.
BOYCOTT Pharmacies that dish out cheap,inferior Mylan Generics. Start with CVS!And the FDA has little or NO protocol for random follow up field testing--because of funding--
Ten years ago Mylan was "exactly the same" as Valium.So...don't LISTEN or even bother to Ask any Pharmacist if it's the SAME pharmacolygy
UNLESS you want to ask them for the generic brand of Depakote...because the "generic" Depakote
killed quite a few people and left many many others in pain and suffering!Please take this message PRO-ACTIVELY and DO SOMETHING to stop Greed=Stealing and Suffering.
This nation USED to be concerned about the WELFARE of its People.Copy The Body of this message and PASS it on, PLEASE!
Posted by Phillipa on March 30, 2009, at 20:23:00
In reply to About Mylan Diazepam:, posted by CaptainOfTheSees on March 30, 2009, at 12:56:58
so Lederle is to valium as greenstone is to xanax? Have a pharmaicist who will order the brand I request as am now on mylan. So my down to l0mg is only 7mg? That's even better than I thought. But would the anti-anxiety effects come back on the Lederle? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by qbsbrown on June 4, 2009, at 16:41:49
In reply to Re: About Mylan Diazepam » GreyWalker, posted by yxibow on February 9, 2006, at 0:38:03
> > Hello, I tried generic diazepam today from Mylan. It seems to be good and effective, it is giving me anxiety relief and muscle relaxation, and this is at about 6-10mgs of it.
> >
> > I had a few questions:
> >
> > 1) I have read some older posts from babble, and some one suggested that Mylan diazepam is poor, but this doesn't make sense to me because it is obviously effective. So, does anyone have any other experiences with Mylan generic diazepam?
> >
> > 2) What are the other diazepam generics, and which ones are better or worse than Mylan from your experiences?
> >
> > 3) I heard about an "orange book" or something that lists stuff about Brand Name versus Generic, does anyone know how to find this book or information?
>
>
>
> Mylan in the past did a very naughty thing and bought up all the raw chemicals for making certain benzodiazepines. They were sued in California and the state won. But that's aside.. times move on, and I'm sure they're no different than Teva or Purepac in their manufacturing process.
>
> The Orange Book is the FDA guide to all approved medications and lists some standard guidelines to how generics are tested and approved. It (is a big 6MB Adobe Acrobat file) can be found at http://www.fda.gov/cder/orange/obannual.pdf
>
>
> I hope that helps
>
> JayJay, do you think there is any difference between the diazepam generics? I've taken the Mylan version, and has felt like a placebo/sugar pill ever since. I used to have brand in the middle east, and a generic in china that seemed much more effective.
Perhaps it's just that I'm tapering, and in tolerance withdrawal, hence not feeling any effect.
What do you think about the other generics? Is Lederle better?
All the pharmacists that I spoke to seem to think that Mylan is just as good as the rest of the generics.
What's your opinion?
Plus I've heard that it's not good to change generics while in the midst of a taper, is this true?
Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on June 4, 2009, at 19:40:59
In reply to Jay: About Mylan Diazepam, posted by qbsbrown on June 4, 2009, at 16:41:49
In other benzos, I found that sandoz worked for generic xanax, that ivaxx teva worked for generic klonopin, and that raxbury? for generic ativan sucked, and now Mylan for diazepam sucks.
What would you suggest?
Posted by qbsbrown on June 4, 2009, at 23:05:08
In reply to Re: Jay: About Mylan Diazepam, posted by qbsbrown on June 4, 2009, at 19:40:59
Took brand in china and the middle east. Generic here doesn't touch anxiety.
I always knew it was working because i'd have blurry vision and dry skin. I have neither with generic.
Brian
PS- Anywhere you can get brand cheaper online with a prescription?
Posted by yxibow on June 6, 2009, at 4:53:05
In reply to Jay: Mylan Diazepam? i think only brand works, posted by qbsbrown on June 4, 2009, at 23:05:08
> Took brand in china and the middle east. Generic here doesn't touch anxiety.
>
> I always knew it was working because i'd have blurry vision and dry skin. I have neither with generic.
>
> Brian
>
> PS- Anywhere you can get brand cheaper online with a prescription?Are you sure the "brand" in China and the middle east was actually Roche and not a copy?
Board rules forbid me from telling you that but it is obvious that there are sites on the net.
Legitimate or no prescription (if you even get something valid), the so very little found Roche product is a waste of money. Typically $2-$4 a pill from what I can see as opposed to probably 5c a generic pill.
By the way, the Ryan Haight Online Pharmacy Consumer Protection Act tightens the laws on pharmacies that are legitimate and in control in the US on controlled substances III-V.
Personally I think that this is just another "war on drugs". Yes, its tragic what happened to Ryan Haight, but there has been a rash of acts in states and at the federal level of the "John Doe Act".It is getting to the point that there is so much constriction on everything that we are babysitting this country.
Yes, these tales are poignant (Amber Alert), named after an abducted girl named Amber, and freeway light board signs and radio broadcasts transmit license plates -- as if only that person who is being tracked is the most important person of the day.
Hundreds of people are abducted and never mentioned, so what makes the 'amber' identified people better than the ones never heard of?
Yes, I'm deviating from the previous point on the Ryan Haight act but I'm trying to make an analogy.
So there are state laws now too, as to where legitimate pharmacies can send medications (I believe that are controlled ones), and they don't include every place, even ones you would think are 'liberal'.
Basically this is why doctors who want to keep their license and livelihood (as mine and I'm sure a number of people...) have been very careful lately about prescribing controlled substances, especially ones that have been made 'notorious' like Oxycontin and are also careful about benzodiazepines too because of all this, well B*LLSH*T, if I must say by the DEA, congress, etc.
Okay, that's my soapbox.
-- Jay
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