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Posted by sleepygirl on December 4, 2005, at 20:39:13
I have been grateful for this drug...but it is drop you on your butt, forget about staying awake, you didn't need to be conscious did you?SEDATING!! Sleep is about the only thing you can do after a dose. I can't fathom how people stay on high doses of the stuff. It's like 'having the sandman drop heavy bags of sand on you so you're sort of buried in it' kind of sedating. 'lights out' for you! kind of sedating, see you in 12 hours kind of sedating
everything's a trade off I guess
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 1:42:45
In reply to the problem with seroquel, posted by sleepygirl on December 4, 2005, at 20:39:13
I feel you on this. Seroquel absolutely knocks you out. When people on this board say they take Seroquel and it doesnt knock them out, they are either taking a salt tablet or .000001 of Seroquel.
Seroquel might not help you with anxiety or depression, but you are going to be snoozing for sure.
Sleepy, all I can say is that my body adjusted over time. I went from taking 100mg two times per day to only 25mg once per day, at night before bed. I take it with 1mg of Klonopin. And thats it. Nothing more.
It has been a miracle drug for me. I dont like being groggy but I absolutely hated being ravaged by anxiety. I just try to keep on low doses, drink caffeine when needed, and exercise. Unfortunately with most meds, there are tradeoffs. The 20+ SSRIs I tried didnt make me sleepy, but they didnt work either.
I hope you find a balance.
Posted by med_empowered on December 5, 2005, at 4:15:27
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 1:42:45
yeah, seroquel is amazingly sedating. Have you considered a switch? I never really liked the atypicals, but I think Abilify was probably the best of the bunch, for me at least. There's also less weight gain and there don't seem to be any big problems with Abilify messing with blood sugar levels, which happens with most other atypicals (**especially** zyprexa).
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 5, 2005, at 9:33:05
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 1:42:45
> I feel you on this. Seroquel absolutely knocks you out. When people on this board say they take Seroquel and it doesnt knock them out, they are either taking a salt tablet or .000001 of Seroquel.
I just want to make a point that there are other experiences than what you presume to be the case. Seroquel can cause activation. It can prevent sleep entirely.
I would hope that you bear in mind that your experience is not necessarily the same as all other people.
Lar
Posted by Emme on December 5, 2005, at 9:47:46
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 1:42:45
> When people on this board say they take Seroquel and it doesnt knock them out, they are either taking a salt tablet or .000001 of Seroquel.
For some, that 0.00001 of Seroquel might be a therapeutic dose.
It's worth experimenting to find the lowest possible therapeutic dose in order to minimize sedation. For me, that dose is never higher than 12.5 mg and is generally lower.
emme
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 13:03:14
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Larry Hoover on December 5, 2005, at 9:33:05
"I would hope that you bear in mind that your experience is not necessarily the same as all other people. - Lar"
Mr. Hoover:
Thank you kindly for your response. In my perspective, I take every single post on this message board as an opinion and not fact. My post is just my humble opinion and I hope people read it that way, and take it for what it is worth.You have probably forgotten more about meds than I will ever know, but it is still my opinion that it is highly unlikely you are not going to be snoozing after taking 100mg or more of Seroquel. Like I said, it might not do anything for depression or anxiety, but I feel like you are most certainly going to be sleeping.
I do not wish to get into a deductive reasoning debate like with the topic "Most ... many ... some people think they are smarter than their pdocs." That was one of the biggest wastes of space ever for a thread on this specific board.
Anyways, back to the topic: I hope Seroquel helps you and perhaps taking it in a lower dose, as Emme suggested, is a great idea.
Posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2005, at 15:01:50
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 13:03:14
>...In my perspective, I take every single post on this message board as an opinion and not fact. My post is just my humble opinion and I hope people read it that way, and take it for what it is worth.
I replied on the admin board, since what I wrote is about posting style versus medication. Here is a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20051205/msgs/585770.htmlgg
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 15:59:16
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » UgottaHaveHope, posted by gardenergirl on December 5, 2005, at 15:01:50
I am staff writer (journalist) for one of the top 10 newspapers in the United States. I appreciate all of the insight, it's a good thing. However, I never wish to engage in a debate over deductive reasoning. That defeats my purpose for being here, which is to simply encourage and help others as was done to me before by others on this board.
Posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2005, at 19:22:41
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Larry Hoover on December 5, 2005, at 9:33:05
Lar, I never heard that before. Fondly,Phillipa
Posted by chemist on December 5, 2005, at 19:50:36
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » Larry Hoover, posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2005, at 19:22:41
hello there, chemist here...linguistic nuances aside, seroquel outranks many antihistamines on the market in terms of binding affinity at H$_{1}$...some people notice a decrease in (initial) sedation as dose increases in the 25 mg - 200 mg qd range, after which the antipsychotic facet is more readily apparent...HOWEVER, as larry noted, activation can occur (within a wide dosing range) and one need read no further than the postmarketing treatment-emergent adverse effects reports (see manufacturer info) to find the evidence...all the best, chemist
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 6, 2005, at 9:52:03
In reply to Re: Thanks and what's funny is ..., posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 15:59:16
> I am staff writer (journalist) for one of the top 10 newspapers in the United States.
I wish you had babblemail enabled.
If you want to enable it, just click on anybody's name that appears at the top of a post in blue. Like mine is, at the top of this post. That'll open a babblemail window, and at the bottom, are links and simple instructions for enabling it.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 6, 2005, at 9:59:42
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med, posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 5, 2005, at 13:03:14
> "I would hope that you bear in mind that your experience is not necessarily the same as all other people. - Lar"
>
> Mr. Hoover:
> Thank you kindly for your response.Thank you kindly for your kind response.
> You have probably forgotten more about meds than I will ever know, but it is still my opinion that it is highly unlikely you are not going to be snoozing after taking 100mg or more of Seroquel.
If only I had more choice over that which is forgotten, and that which is retained. ;-)
Seroquel helped me sleep for one night. After that, I could not sleep on it. Period. I couldn't find the old bottle. I'm sure I pitched it. Therefore, I am uncertain as to dose.
Wired. I was so wired.
Anyway.
> Like I said, it might not do anything for depression or anxiety, but I feel like you are most certainly going to be sleeping.I shall agree to the probability.
> I do not wish to get into a deductive reasoning debate like with the topic "Most ... many ... some people think they are smarter than their pdocs." That was one of the biggest wastes of space ever for a thread on this specific board.
Geeks. Geeks were having fun. See geeks play. Anyway.
> Anyways, back to the topic: I hope Seroquel helps you and perhaps taking it in a lower dose, as Emme suggested, is a great idea.I was desperate for a sleep aid. I don't think the APs are on my list any longer. YBMV Your Brain May Vary
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 6, 2005, at 10:01:06
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » Larry Hoover, posted by Phillipa on December 5, 2005, at 19:22:41
> Lar, I never heard that before. Fondly,Phillipa
You mean Seroquel activation? It happens with Haldol. It happens. I'd hate to try and guess at incidence, though.
Lar
Posted by ed_uk on December 6, 2005, at 14:44:44
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Larry Hoover on December 6, 2005, at 9:59:42
Hi Lar
Did Seroquel make your physically restless?
I developed severe akathisia on chlorpromazine (Largactil, Thorazine). I needed 30mg Valium to sleep while I waited for it to wear off..... then I needed another 30mg Valium to get me through the following morning.
Ed
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on December 7, 2005, at 1:09:17
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Larry Hoover on December 6, 2005, at 9:59:42
Mr. Hoover:
I am humbled by your response. My e-mail is sportscarvell@aol.com
Perhaps you will give Seroquel another try one day. Under perfect conditions, I cannot imagine anyone in the world not being knocked out by it (i.e. some serious zzzz's). It is truly like being shot by an elephant dart.
Under perfect conditions, it would be for you to take a proper dose and giving your body a few days to get used to it. Another thing, very important, which I often fail to mention, sometimes if you are taking any other drugs at all, those drugs and the Seroquel in its mixture could most definitely cause a total opposite effect (i.e. no zzzzz's). I hope that made sense and I hope you are feeling well.
Posted by Sarah T. on December 7, 2005, at 2:50:00
In reply to Re: Theres a tradeoff with every med » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Larry Hoover on December 6, 2005, at 9:59:42
Hi Larry,
When you had that reaction to Seroquel (being "wired"), were you on any other meds at the time?
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 8, 2005, at 9:55:28
In reply to Re: Larry, when you tried Seroquel. . . » Larry Hoover, posted by Sarah T. on December 7, 2005, at 2:50:00
> Hi Larry,
>
> When you had that reaction to Seroquel (being "wired"), were you on any other meds at the time?If I recall correctly, I was not otherwise medicated. However, my recall is not absolute.
I think we were just treating insomnia, no confounding mood issues or anything else. Just insomnia.
No confounds, to the best of my recall.
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