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Posted by Phillipa on August 21, 2005, at 20:16:53
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by linkadge on August 21, 2005, at 16:55:33
80 of prozac! When it first came out 20mg was great lots of energy first day then second day anxiety, thired day panic attacks. That was the end of that. But who knows now that my chemistry has changed maybe I could tolerate it. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on August 21, 2005, at 21:40:36
In reply to I'm thinking Prozac, posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 14:01:26
I'm not OCD, but I have a lot of rumination as part of my depression and anxiety. Neurontin was something that made a dent in it for me. Just thought I'd mention it in case it is helpful.
Prozac was icky for me. It actually made me more depressed. Bummer, huh?
Best,
EE
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 22, 2005, at 5:26:49
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » Meri-Tuuli, posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 14:49:41
Hi Ed
Well Prozac was the first ever AD I tired and it just made me crazy! Well maybe it was my body reacting to it and it might be different now that I'm a well seasoned ADer! Or maybe it was just that time of my life....anyway I lost loads of weight on it, I couldn't eat properly as I was really nausous all the time. I got really bad chills and all of the usual SSRI side effects seemed alot more pronouced. Plus it made my anxiety much worse.
Good luck!
warm regards, Meri
Posted by Tom Twilight on August 22, 2005, at 15:01:38
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » ed_uk, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 22, 2005, at 5:26:49
> Hi Ed
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> Well Prozac was the first ever AD I tired and it just made me crazy!
Plus it made my anxiety much worse.
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Sorry Ed, my experience with Generic Fluoxetine was also very negative, in some ways it was the worst AD I triedIt caused horrible anxiety to begin with (which I didn't get with Effexor), the anxiety faded after a few days, then I got apathy, it never helped with anxiety or depression, but I was only on it for six weeks
I get the impression it might not be as effective for OCD as other SSRIs, but then I don't suffer from OCD
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 16:46:53
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by linkadge on August 21, 2005, at 16:55:33
Hi Link,
I've had BAD experiences with APs. I seem to be very sensitive to D2 antagonists, even weak ones. They make me ill :-(
Kind regards
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 16:48:31
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » ed_uk, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 22, 2005, at 5:26:49
Hi Meri,
I tried it before at 20mg. I didn't have any side effects, it didn't really do anything. I think I need more!
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 16:49:31
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by Emily Elizabeth on August 21, 2005, at 21:40:36
Hi EE!
I tried Neurontin once - I don't think it did anything! :-(
Ed xx
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 16:51:50
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by Tom Twilight on August 22, 2005, at 15:01:38
Hi Tom,
I can take 20mg fluoxetine with no side effects. It's like a placebo to me. I think I should try 40-80mg.
Fluoxetine is consistently effective for OCD in clinical trials. I think I might try it again......... or maybe Cipralex or Lustral.
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by 4WD on August 22, 2005, at 17:07:20
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » Tom Twilight, posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 16:51:50
> Hi Tom,
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> I can take 20mg fluoxetine with no side effects. It's like a placebo to me. I think I should try 40-80mg.
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> Fluoxetine is consistently effective for OCD in clinical trials. I think I might try it again......... or maybe Cipralex or Lustral.
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> Kind regards
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> ~EdHi Ed,
I was thinking myself you might want to try Lexapro. That's the same as Cipralex, isn't it? I definitely have more energy on the Lex than on the Celexa. I can't say I have huge motivation to go out and landscape the yard or anything but the fatigue thing is less pronounced with Lex.
Also, I have found the best thing I can do for energy is go to the gym and get on the treadmill and really work hard for 30-45 minutes. I hated it at first! I still don't really like it but I watch some sensationalistic TV show while I do it and after about 25 minutes I start to get more energy and feel like I could go on longer. The longer I go, the better I feel (up to a point). The energy lasts at least a few hours usually the rest of the day.
Believe me, I know that when you are feeling like you can barely get off the couch, the gym doesn't sound like a possibility. But it does work. At least for me.
So why do I still have to talk myself into going ...
Marsha
Posted by ed_uk on August 22, 2005, at 17:30:17
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » ed_uk, posted by 4WD on August 22, 2005, at 17:07:20
Hi M!
>That's the same as Cipralex, isn't it?
It is :-) I might try it.
I agree that exercise is very important........ I ought to be doing a lot more of it!
Kind regards
~Ed x
Posted by Declan on August 23, 2005, at 0:14:25
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » ed_uk, posted by Meri-Tuuli on August 22, 2005, at 5:26:49
Hey Ed, when you take Prozac/any SSRI and it works, what do you notice, what's it feel like for you? (Never taken any of them myself.)
Declan
Posted by Empathy on August 23, 2005, at 9:41:54
In reply to I'm thinking Prozac, posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 14:01:26
Hello.
If you do decide to do the 80mg of Prozac, please keep me posted as to how you do, okay? I am very much interested.
Thanks a bunch.
Posted by pretty_paints on August 23, 2005, at 13:42:45
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by john berk on August 21, 2005, at 14:32:52
Hey Ed
I haven't read all of your replies, but I just wanted to say HI and what a good idea to take some time out of uni! I can almost feel relief for you! Any idea about how your exams are going/have gone?
Things here are ok, I'll prob post something a little later on. I'm stuck upstairs in my room as my mum and dad are being asked questions about how "the family deals with me being psychotic", la la la. Basically it's a course called Family Work For Psychosis. Hmm.
Anyway I am so glad for you taking time out.
Speak again soon.
Kate xxxxxxxx
Posted by ed_uk on August 23, 2005, at 15:53:37
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by Declan on August 23, 2005, at 0:14:25
Hi Dec!
I feel calmer and suffer less intrusive/unwanted thoughts ie. OCD obsessions.
I don't tend to worry about the future on SSRIs, my immediate needs seem more important. I can sometimes act impusively, I don't consider the consequences on an SSRI. I don't think about morality very much on SSRIs - although I don't do anything really bad LOL.
It's difficult to cry on an SSRI. I can easily watch some disaster on the news without really feeling anything. During abrupt withdrawal of an SSRI, I can cry at the drop of a hat..... so to speak.
SSRIs make me feel satisfied sitting on the couch. It's difficult to get motivated to do anything. Lying in bed feels kind of serene.
SSRIs delay my orgasms substantially and lower my libido. They also increase sweating. Paroxetine made me drowsy. Fluoxetine and citalopram less so. I've never taken sertraline. Venlafaxine felt like an SSRI to me.
>Never taken any of them myself........
LOL, it's funny that you're taking Parnate when you've never tried an SSRI - that must be VERY rare!
Posted by ed_uk on August 23, 2005, at 15:54:06
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac » ed_uk, posted by Empathy on August 23, 2005, at 9:41:54
I will do :-)
Ed x
Posted by ed_uk on August 23, 2005, at 15:56:16
In reply to Re: I'm thinking Prozac, posted by pretty_paints on August 23, 2005, at 13:42:45
Hi Katie!
My June exams went quite well :-) I was supposed to be taking my (missed) January exams this week but I'm delaying them till next year. I'm going back to uni in ~13 months. I'm working in (various) pharmacies at the moment.
Love Ed xoxoxo
Posted by john berk on August 23, 2005, at 18:30:45
In reply to How I feel on high-dose SSRIs » Declan, posted by ed_uk on August 23, 2005, at 15:53:37
Hi Ed.
i mentioned previously that i take 20 mgs. prozac for ocd, well, i went to a new pdoc yesterday, and it looks like i will be going to 40, he feels 20 is much too low for ocd.
when you were explaning the feeling on high dose prozac, it actually felt soothing, thinking about sitting serenely on the couch, anyone with ocd would know that is a trial with our obsessions!!i truly hate, [like i mentioned before] the apathy associated with higher doses, and the sexual side-effects, but this ocd is a unrelenting prescence, i guess i have to go along with the program for now. the new dr. was really nice, took time to explain his personal theory on ocd, so i hope the higher dose helps.
i wish you much luck if you decide to go to higher doses of "zac", and i'll keep you posted on my progress. i guess i'm "chairbound" soon, lol, but i would love to enjoy that serenity again of a cleared ocd mind!! take care....john
Posted by ed_uk on August 24, 2005, at 14:26:16
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs » ed_uk, posted by john berk on August 23, 2005, at 18:30:45
Hi John! :-)
I was describing high dose Paxil/Celexa. I've never taken a high dose of Prozac. I'd like to try it :-)
I don't like the apathy either, I'm not too worried about the sexual side effects though......... OCD is much worse.
>i wish you much luck if you decide to go to higher doses of "zac", and i'll keep you posted on my progress.
Thank you, you are very kind :-) I hope Prozac 40mg works out really well for you. Keep us posted.
Kind regards
Ed
Posted by linkadge on August 24, 2005, at 16:56:27
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs » john berk, posted by ed_uk on August 24, 2005, at 14:26:16
If you haven't taken zoloft, I would say that would be a very good idea.
I experienced severe apathy on celexa, and was able to turn a lot of that around on zoloft.
I think that apathy is the least likely on zoloft.
Linkadge
Posted by 4WD on August 24, 2005, at 20:46:50
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs, posted by linkadge on August 24, 2005, at 16:56:27
> I think that apathy is the least likely on zoloft.
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> LinkadgeWhy is that, Linkadge? Zoloft is one of the few I've never given a real trial.
Marsha
Posted by john berk on August 24, 2005, at 21:21:41
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs, posted by linkadge on August 24, 2005, at 16:56:27
HI,
IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUT ON PROZAC, ZOLOFT WOULD DEFINETLY BE MY NEXT CHOICE!
A FEW OF MY FRIENDS ARE QUITE HAPPY WITH ZOLOFT,
I'VE NEVER TRIED IT, I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT I THINK I READ IT HAS SOME SLIGHT DOPAMINERGIC ACTIVITY,
ALTHOUGH IT IS OF COURSE AN SSRI. MAYBE THAT IS WHERE THE DECREASED APATHY COMES IN. COOL SUGGESTION LINKADGE, THANKS...JOHN btw, sorry about the loud writing again, just realized my caps were on, lol! i've got to stop shouting over everyone..john
Posted by ed_uk on August 25, 2005, at 15:44:55
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs, posted by linkadge on August 24, 2005, at 16:56:27
>If you haven't taken zoloft....
I haven't. I'd like to try it :-)
~ed
Posted by linkadge on August 25, 2005, at 17:08:29
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs » linkadge, posted by ed_uk on August 25, 2005, at 15:44:55
It has a dopaminergic effect that you can definately feel.
When I took zoloft 50mg it was like 20mg celexa + 5-10mg ritalin extended release.
Zoloft is more frontal cortex friendly.
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sertnor.htm
If I mixed zoloft with a mild dose of periactin (1mg 2x day) I would say that anhedonia was not a problem.Linkadge
Posted by 4WD on August 25, 2005, at 17:56:29
In reply to Re: How I feel on high-dose SSRIs, posted by linkadge on August 25, 2005, at 17:08:29
> It has a dopaminergic effect that you can definately feel.
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> When I took zoloft 50mg it was like 20mg celexa + 5-10mg ritalin extended release.
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> Zoloft is more frontal cortex friendly.
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> http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sertnor.htm
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> If I mixed zoloft with a mild dose of periactin (1mg 2x day) I would say that anhedonia was not a problem.
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> Linkadge
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Linkadge, Why don't you try this? Have you already?Marsha
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Posted by fires on August 25, 2005, at 22:43:54
In reply to I'm thinking Prozac, posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 14:01:26
I didn't have the time to read all the posts in this thread, so maybe someone has already mentioned what Jay Goldstein, MD (retired) has written:
"IVIG is very effective in treatment refractory OCD which, perhaps, has an autoimmune basis."
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