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Posted by rjlockhart98 on August 20, 2005, at 23:01:38
I was wondering if a person can litterly change their biochemistry (nuerotransmitters) by drive and belief.
ADHD's usally dont have drive on one thing, but with actuall focus and Goal setting, dopamine levels will rise.
Goal Setting is good for depression, motivation is a backup. Try to change you perception of life.
I take Dexedrine 20mg for ADD, it does help me focus somewhat, i may need to increase. But i was reading all these artcicles on Ambition, and Motivation. And thought can the brain rewire its self.
What do you think?
Posted by ClearSkies on August 20, 2005, at 23:25:31
In reply to Mind over matter, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 20, 2005, at 23:01:38
Perhaps in some cases? But in others where depression is the main complaint and in some cases it is appearing to be triggered in childhood cases, but not expressed until later in life; I personally beieve a combinaton of psychometric medication and therapy may provide relief for many of us.
So much of the disease does not become clear until after some clear teenage and adult hurdles have been passsed; it can't be formulaic as we all experience these change at different rates and times in our lives.
ClearSkies
Posted by yxibow on August 20, 2005, at 23:57:04
In reply to Mind over matter, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 20, 2005, at 23:01:38
> I was wondering if a person can litterly change their biochemistry (nuerotransmitters) by drive and belief.
Very much so. PET scans have shown that behaviour therapy can significally modify brain chemistry in the caudate nucleus as equal as SSRIs used for OCD.
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> ADHD's usally dont have drive on one thing, but with actuall focus and Goal setting, dopamine levels will rise.
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> Goal Setting is good for depression, motivation is a backup. Try to change you perception of life.Definately also... and probably would also change chemistry... our thoughts are direct neurons firing so its not out of this world to think that enough of one thought could have a change. This is not to say that serious disorders like bipolar and schizophrenia can be cured by merely "thinking away", but I think it has its role in less serious situations.
Posted by linkadge on August 21, 2005, at 0:48:44
In reply to Re: Mind over matter, posted by yxibow on August 20, 2005, at 23:57:04
The best example of this is the placebo effect. Where the belief in effect is stronger than the actual effect of the drug.
I also saw a TV special on monks who were able to significanly alter brainwave patterns, and inhibitory neurotransmission processes simply through meditation.
The mind has more ability than we give it recognition for.
Linkadge
Posted by john berk on August 21, 2005, at 14:18:52
In reply to Re: Mind over matter, posted by yxibow on August 20, 2005, at 23:57:04
Yes! as yxibow stated, behavior therapy is capable of making changes on par with ssri's, an example is in the book "brain lock" by dr. jeffrey
shwartz!! he shows an actual pet scan on the cover of the book of a recovered ocd patient after extensive behavorial therapy, [which is all he used in this particular study.they say it is possible in depression also, [i'm somewhat skeptical, having minor depression since childhood,] but i would like to try more behavioral therapy. these ssri's are a bummer, lol. but perhaps more research will yeild more positive results. i am also a member of ocd-support@yahoo groups, and dr. claiborn there feels cbt can effect more change than meds in a lot of cases...john
Posted by SandyWeb on August 21, 2005, at 15:36:12
In reply to Re: Mind over matter » rjlockhart98, posted by ClearSkies on August 20, 2005, at 23:25:31
Hi Clear Skies!!!!
Love the new name! I hope you enjoyed your trip to Toronto.
Loving ya!!
Sandy
Posted by ClearSkies on August 21, 2005, at 16:19:25
In reply to Re: Mind over matter » ClearSkies, posted by SandyWeb on August 21, 2005, at 15:36:12
Thanks, SandyWeb! Toronto was hot, but great. And I got to meet up with a Babbler which made it *wonderful*.
Always lovely to see you here.
Posted by willyee on August 21, 2005, at 16:52:48
In reply to Mind over matter, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 20, 2005, at 23:01:38
I think a persons dispostion in life is very important.I believe a med has more of a chance to work when someone is postive about WANTING it to work,and trying to think positve and make changes.
I think when a person unfrotunalty hits bottom,and they are perhaps bed ridden,there mind of thinking is going the opposite way and its gonna be very hard for a med to bring a person out of both the external and clinical depression,and people with that critiers which i have been in,in my opion need to be treated immensly,my treatment in those cases r much more intense than my standard treatment im on now.
Just like a bad heart,a person under stress and agivation is likly to upset a fragile heart opposed to a more healthier calmer person.So in short ,(too late) i believe a persons dispostion prior to treatment should be looked at,this is when talk therapy would be great,to talk the person out of the belieaf that they *cant* get better.Again i truly believe a person is more likly to respond to medication if there out look is hopeful opposed to hopeless.Different severties need to be treated differently.
Again this is just my opinion.
Posted by Phillipa on August 21, 2005, at 21:36:30
In reply to Re: Mind over matter » ClearSkies, posted by SandyWeb on August 21, 2005, at 15:36:12
I believe that if you believe a med will work it has a better chance of working. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by john berk on August 21, 2005, at 21:42:34
In reply to Re: Mind over matter, posted by Phillipa on August 21, 2005, at 21:36:30
that is exactly what my therapist told me last week. take care..john
Posted by denise190466 on August 24, 2005, at 10:33:24
In reply to Re: Mind over matter » Phillipa, posted by john berk on August 21, 2005, at 21:42:34
Well, I'm feeling pretty negative right now but surely either a drug works or it doesn't? An aspirin doesn't take a headache away because you think it will take it away it, well not with me anyway.
When I take Zyprexa (touch wood it'll keep working) it makes me feel better and takes all my anxiety and suicidal thoughts away. I never expected it to do that it just did it and I'm terrified that one day it will stop doing that.
When I first ever took an antidepressant when I was 24 I never expected it to work because I didn't think I was depressed at the time but it did, it worked within 24 hours. When I started taking Seroxat again in my 30s I expected it to work because it had in the past but it didn't work and I was devastated, if there is such a thing as mind over matter it doesn't work for me that's for sure.
Denise
Posted by Cecilia on August 25, 2005, at 2:25:22
In reply to Re: Mind over matter, posted by denise190466 on August 24, 2005, at 10:33:24
I agree with you, Denise, a med should work whether you believe in it or not. Otherwise it`s just an expensive placebo. My blood pressure meds lower my blood pressure regardless of whether I believe in them. But I`ve been told by doctors and therapists that the reason AD`s have never worked for me is because of my bad attitude. In other words, AD`s don`t work for me because I`m depressed. Something is fishy there. Sometimes I think the first thing t`s and pdocs are taught is "If your treatments don`t work, blame the patient." Cecilia
Posted by wildcard on August 25, 2005, at 13:59:15
In reply to Re: Mind over matter, posted by Cecilia on August 25, 2005, at 2:25:22
I have to agree that *personally*, mind over matter hasnt worked for me w/ depression and anxiety. I am a very stubborn, strong willed person and recently (again) decided that i could mind over matter my d/o and did well...at first.
I know a positive outlook and attitude can help people who are ill in some circumstances but not all and if my infant were sick and the doctors gave him medicine, it had better work regardless b/c he is not able at his age to *think* in a positive way vs. a negative one.
Posted by fires on August 25, 2005, at 14:07:32
In reply to Re: Mind over matter, posted by denise190466 on August 24, 2005, at 10:33:24
I agree with Denise: works or doesn't. Also, when CBT is touted for Dep., due they ever consider that a given number of patients may remit due to the passage of time alone?
Finally, my previous psychopharmacologist told me that the placebo effect is short lived.(And I believe him :-))
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