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Posted by shelliR on April 1, 2002, at 19:34:58
Hi Dr. Kramer.
After many successful years nardil completely stopped working for me. I have had two successes with nardil (after poopout) and lamictal. The first try was successful with 200mg of lamictal; the second with 400mg of lamictal.
Have you seen this need to increase when starting over on lamictal (I got off it because of water retention and before I fully realized that I was treatment resistant.) I am now at 450mg of lamictal and willing to go to 600mg.Now I am off nardil and the last psychopharmacologist I saw, said he didn't
think nardil was a factor with my last
success with lamictal, since nardil had completely pooped out for me and recommended lamictal by itself.
(Nardil was totally non-effective with every other combination I tried, including mood stablizers,provigal, stimulents, etc.) He advised me not to start nardil again. Would you agree,
or would you advise me to start nardil again with the lamictal? In other words, does a totally pooped out med really work in combination, or is augmentation only successful with at least partially successful drugs.One more question: have you seen success with effexor once nardil has
pooped out? I threw up both a pill and 1/2 pill years ago, but
maybe this is the direction that might be helpful. Any thoughts, especially on effexor vs remeron. No SSRI has ever worked for me.Thanks,
Shelli
Posted by TSA West on April 1, 2002, at 22:15:21
In reply to Dr. Kramer: about augmenting drugs after poopout, posted by shelliR on April 1, 2002, at 19:34:58
Good day, Shelli:
Success with one MAOI leads me to believe that it is likely for you to respond to a second MAOI. And I highly recommend Marplan to people, in light of its benign side-effect profile.
For Effexor, see: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010625/msgs/67928.html
Best of luck and pizza for your family!
All others: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010403/msgs/58619.html
Posted by Dr. Kramer on April 2, 2002, at 11:16:13
In reply to Dr. Kramer: about augmenting drugs after poopout, posted by shelliR on April 1, 2002, at 19:34:58
> Hi Dr. Kramer.
>
> After many successful years nardil completely stopped working for me. I have had two successes with nardil (after poopout) and lamictal. The first try was successful with 200mg of lamictal; the second with 400mg of lamictal.
> Have you seen this need to increase when starting over on lamictal (I got off it because of water retention and before I fully realized that I was treatment resistant.) I am now at 450mg of lamictal and willing to go to 600mg.
>
> Now I am off nardil and the last psychopharmacologist I saw, said he didn't
> think nardil was a factor with my last
> success with lamictal, since nardil had completely pooped out for me and recommended lamictal by itself.
> (Nardil was totally non-effective with every other combination I tried, including mood stablizers,provigal, stimulents, etc.) He advised me not to start nardil again. Would you agree,
> or would you advise me to start nardil again with the lamictal? In other words, does a totally pooped out med really work in combination, or is augmentation only successful with at least partially successful drugs.
>
> One more question: have you seen success with effexor once nardil has
> pooped out? I threw up both a pill and 1/2 pill years ago, but
> maybe this is the direction that might be helpful. Any thoughts, especially on effexor vs remeron. No SSRI has ever worked for me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ShelliI'd defer to your doc, who knows you better than I, but I would add that sometimes drugs that poop out work again after a long holiday. If SSRI's didn't work, more noradrergic drugs like Effexor might work.
Posted by Zo on April 3, 2002, at 0:31:13
In reply to Dr. Kramer: about augmenting drugs after poopout, posted by shelliR on April 1, 2002, at 19:34:58
Hi Shelli!
Did you say throw up?! Effexor is famous for it's initial nausea--it's a lot like morning sickness--that goes away in like less than a week. Maybe if you start with tiny bits, literally. ..
Zo
Posted by shelliR on April 3, 2002, at 7:53:21
In reply to Re: Dr. Kramer: about augmenting drugs after poopo » shelliR, posted by Zo on April 3, 2002, at 0:31:13
Hi Zo,
I'm trying to figure out whether to go back to nardil or try effexor. Nardil was so successful for so long, especially with lamictal, that it might be worth trying it again. I tried to find out about effexor from prior posts and from what I could gather, it took about a month to kick in. And that's about the same time as nardil. So I am having a hard time choosing--will see my pdoc next week.
Thanks,
Shelli
Posted by Zo on April 3, 2002, at 17:17:59
In reply to Re: Dr. Kramer: about augmenting drugs after poopo » Zo, posted by shelliR on April 3, 2002, at 7:53:21
Posted by Johnny F. on July 6, 2005, at 1:02:06
In reply to No Effexor poopout in 7 yrs, if that helps! (nm) » shelliR, posted by Zo on April 3, 2002, at 17:17:59
Dear shelli, I have been taking Nardil for over a decade with very good results. When did Nardil cease to be ineffective for you? Are you awre of the change in ingredients that has been happening since approx.2002 with the distribution of the so called new Nardil that is characterized by the unshiny pill as opposed to the old M&M type pill? Let me get right back with the proper website so you may see it. I had to increase my Nardil 30 mgs more but a loty of people showed absolutely no respnse to the new Nardil but I was one of the lucky minority, THANK GOD!!! I'LL BE BACK. JOHN
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