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Posted by Sarah T. on June 24, 2005, at 23:00:43
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 24, 2005, at 11:39:42
I took Zoloft for about a year and a half. I got off of it in early 1999. Since I was on Zoloft, I have NEVER had either the sexual desire or the sexual ability that I had before SSRI's, even after augmentation with several dopaminergic/noradrenergic medicines. As I've mentioned previously, while on Zoloft, I also developed a mild movement disorder that manifested as "chewing" my cheek. Now, six years after stopping Zoloft, that problem has mostly subsided, but it persisted for several years, as if I were still on Zoloft. When I was still on Zoloft, the chewing was so bad, my inner cheek would bleed.
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 0:05:40
In reply to Re: You have confirmed my thoughts! » Nezirov, posted by Maximus on June 24, 2005, at 20:34:40
> And i'm very very sad for it :-( "Genital anaesthesia", talk about it :-( My libido has been gone for years and had never returned...
Maximus, sometimes the genital anaesthesia can be fixed with testosterone. This guy temporarily recovered from pretty severe (2 years
persistent) dysfuntion by getting a shot of testosterone. Sounds like
his doc wasn't too smart, though, and didn't keep him on it long enough.Have you ever had your testosterone levels checked or been on any form of TRT? Also consider joning our group on Yahoo. We're gonna do a class-action at some point.
N
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 0:08:43
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects » Nezirov, posted by Sarah T. on June 24, 2005, at 23:00:43
Hi Sarah,
That's good that your chewing problems finally went away. If you like, please join our group on Yahoo. We are thinking about initiating a class-action lawsuit concerning persistent sexual dysfunction at some point.
Nezirov
Posted by Maximus on June 25, 2005, at 9:52:21
In reply to Re: You have confirmed my thoughts!, posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 0:05:40
> Have you ever had your testosterone levels checked or been on any form of TRT? Also consider joning our group on Yahoo. We're gonna do a class-action at some point.
Thanks! Yes i should make a man of myself and ask a check-test for my Testos level. Enough is enough. Damn you SSRIs.
Bye.
Posted by Maximus on June 25, 2005, at 10:42:32
In reply to SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 24, 2005, at 3:02:35
I'm a pro-psychiatry, a pro-medication and i don't deny that SSRIs can be very helpful in some cases.
But the facts remain that they cause big damage to the sexuality and intimacy. Couples are wounded, singles are hopeless :-(
Now we have to boost ourselves with Testosterone. Shesssh, what is the next step?
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2005, at 10:44:06
In reply to SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 24, 2005, at 3:02:35
> SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects
If for any reason you feel you need to change your posting name, follow these steps:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#names
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2005, at 11:08:56
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 0:08:43
> We are thinking about initiating a class-action lawsuit
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding lawsuits to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050624/msgs/518639.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 14:04:18
In reply to Re: changing your name here » Nezirov, posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2005, at 10:44:06
Is thsi for me?
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 14:05:45
In reply to Re: They should called them Chemical Castrators » Nezirov, posted by Maximus on June 25, 2005, at 10:42:32
I'm much worse off for having taken celexa. IMO SSRIs and psychiatry can sometimes destroy lives rather than help.
Nezirov
Posted by Phillipa on June 25, 2005, at 18:01:53
In reply to Re: They should called them Chemical Castrators, posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 14:05:45
Nezirov, Did you change your posting name without notifying Dr. Bob? If you did you need to follow his instructions. If not contact him anyway so he'll know he made a mistake?Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on June 25, 2005, at 18:08:25
In reply to Re: They should called them Chemical Castrators, posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 14:05:45
"IMO SSRIs and psychiatry can sometimes destroy lives rather than help."
Wow, I have found somebody on my own brainwave.
But now I'm suck. Its very easy for me to rasie a flag.
Linkadge
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 18:12:08
In reply to Re: They should called them Chemical Castrators » Nezirov, posted by linkadge on June 25, 2005, at 18:08:25
I know what you mean. Once you've been tainted by these drugs it's very hard to turn back. The brain is just too complicated and the drugs too brutal in my opinion. You have my sympathy, and I hope thing swork out for you in the end.
Nezirov
Posted by linkadge on June 25, 2005, at 19:50:24
In reply to Re: They should called them Chemical Castrators, posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 18:12:08
You get to a point where you can't live without them, and they do nothing good for you when you're on them.
Linkadge
Posted by Jakeman on June 26, 2005, at 4:23:19
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects » Nickengland, posted by ed_uk on June 24, 2005, at 17:22:05
> Hi Nick!
>
> SSRIs improve my orgasms but it takes a long time to have one! I don't have much libido though.......so I don't feel the need to have an orgasm LOL. I haven't had a single sexual thought all day!
>
> ~EdThen you add another drug(s) to the mix (such as wellbutrin, selegiline, viagra) to fix the sexaul problems the first drug caused. The second layer of drugs causes side effects, maybe high blood pressure. Then add in Inderal to fix that. That causes some depression then you must up your SSRI dosage. Then SSRI side effects increase. A circular cycle. Sorry to be such a downer..but I'm been through a similar scenerio.
btw, for me it's not the loss of libido, but erectile function. But then I'm taking wellbutrin.
~J
Posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 7:34:21
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Jakeman on June 26, 2005, at 4:23:19
Hi Jake,
>Then you add another drug(s) to the mix (such as wellbutrin, selegiline, viagra) to fix the sexaul problems the first drug caused.
Not in the UK, doctors don't 'do' polypharmacy here!
~Ed
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 26, 2005, at 11:00:25
In reply to SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 24, 2005, at 3:02:35
I am so glad I got off of those drugs when I did. Spending two years on them was long enough. During one of my worst episodes, I briefly tried them again over a period of a few months, and eventually ended up emancipating my brain from all meds, vowing that I would not take anything except an MAOI from then on. My mind started to feel disturbingly "straightjacketed" by them, as if my "life force" (Freud's "LIBIDO" concept, BTW!) was being snubbed out by pharmacracy (ok, that's a bit overdramatic, but still, heh).
As it is now, my libido on Nardil is depressed somewhat, and orgasm is extremely hard to come by (and there is some MINOR blunting of sensation down there, but I would not call it anesthesia, despite also having the equiv of 20-30mg of parenteral morphine in my blood at all times!) but it does not seem to be like what SSRI users are reporting. I only hope--like all of those here--that my sexual functioning is not permanently compromised (I don't think it is). As a matter of fact, I always had premature ejaculation problems while not on medications, so in a way sex is more satisfying this way even when I cannot have an orgasm. I mean, at least my g/f does, and that satisfies me! With premature ejaculation, I never could last long enough to have truly satisfying intercourse.
Plus, there is still immense pleasure on the off chance that after a million hours of stimulation I DO manage to have an orgasm! Reading that study about the 26-year-old guy with the persisting sexual problems from Zoloft really made me feel for all of those who suffer as a result of the SSRIs. MAOIs are not totally benign, but at least I can say they put more life in me than they've sucked out! What I've read in this thread just gives me more impetus in urging people to dump the toxic SSRIs and go with the drugs out there that actually help. Which would you rather have, dietary restrictions and drug interactions with decongestants OR a possibly irreversibly depressed sex life? My psychopharm professor told me that whenenver one takes a drug long-term, one should ideally always pick the OLDEST drug that works, since the most is known about its long-term effects on human tissue of all kinds--not just brain tissue. I'm starting to see exactly how important that advice is; and that is one more reason I feel safest being on a drug with over 40 years of clinical use.
Posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 15:14:19
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec » Nezirov, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 26, 2005, at 11:00:25
It does indeed feel as though SSRIs take away your life force. I used to have a very high sex drive and huge ambition, now I feel quite different. Libido is actually a critical part of being human IMO. I want to get back to how I used to be.
Also, it has been proposed that inability to express sexual desire causes anxiety, compulsions and depression. Worth thinking about. BTW, have you ever had your testosterone levels checked?Vornan
Posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 15:43:46
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec, posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 15:14:19
Hi Vornan,
>I used to have a very high sex drive and huge ambition, now I feel quite different.
I don't have any ambition anymore, I can't see the future.
~Ed
Posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 15:51:18
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec » Nezirov, posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 15:43:46
Yea, I know - it's unfortunate. Having no sex drive tends to do that to you. Are you going to try to do anything about it? Have yu had your hormones checked? What are you taking right now?
Posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 16:11:53
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec, posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 15:51:18
Hi Vornan,
>Are you going to try to do anything about it?
I don't think so. My doc isn't interested, he won't prescribe anything else.
>Have yu had your hormones checked?
No.
>What are you taking right now?
Celexa 60mg
~Ed
Posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 16:17:24
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec » Nezirov, posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 16:11:53
When you first developed OCD when you 14, did they put you straight on SSRIs, or did you try other remedies first. BTW, ever read "Brain Lock" by Jeffrey Schwartz?
Posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 16:27:10
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec, posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 16:17:24
Hi,
>When you first developed OCD when you 14, did they put you straight on SSRIs, or did you try other remedies first.
I first saw a pdoc when I was 10. I've had mental health problems since I was about 3. From 10-14, we did therapy. It didn't really help. I didn't take any medication until I was 14.
>BTW, ever read "Brain Lock" by Jeffrey Schwartz?
No, I've never read it.
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by FredPotter on June 26, 2005, at 16:41:38
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2005, at 20:01:36
> Rather go to bed with a good book. Fondly, Phillipa
like the Kama Sutra
Posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 16:42:26
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec » Nezirov, posted by ed_uk on June 26, 2005, at 16:27:10
Geez, 3? That must be tough. I don't know if Schwartz's book could help you, but he believes that brain chemistry can be changed without meds. He's done quite a bit of research and published several books.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 28, 2005, at 12:21:46
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effec, posted by Nezirov on June 26, 2005, at 16:17:24
> ever read "Brain Lock" by Jeffrey Schwartz?
I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon
The first time anyone refers to a book, movie, or music without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html
Thanks!
Bob
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