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Posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 3:02:05
I know ppl talk about feeling emotionally flat, and I hear how painful that feels to so many ppl on the boards. I have found myself lately NOT wanting to feel so much, I'm tired of the intensity of the anxiety and sometimes anger or frustration. If you tell your p-doc that you want to feel less emotion, will they Rx something for that? And if so, what is it likely to be?
Jazzy
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2005, at 6:24:58
In reply to Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 3:02:05
If you say that your emotion is too intese, they might prescribe a mood stabalizer like zyprexa, or seroquel.
It seems to me that you need more frontal cortex activity and less limbic activity.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on June 21, 2005, at 6:50:47
In reply to Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 3:02:05
> I know ppl talk about feeling emotionally flat, and I hear how painful that feels to so many ppl on the boards. I have found myself lately NOT wanting to feel so much, I'm tired of the intensity of the anxiety and sometimes anger or frustration. If you tell your p-doc that you want to feel less emotion, will they Rx something for that? And if so, what is it likely to be?
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> Jazzy
Linkadge may have suggested the right thing to do. You might be looking for a simple reduction in the intensity of anxiety and a more manageable pace of thinking. You'd have an easier time interpreting yourself and the world around you that way.There might be other things that would be better for you, but without knowing much about your condition and diagnosis, it is hard to know. For instance an anxious or agitated depression might not respond adequately to Zyprexa and require an antidepressant. If you are bipolar, Trileptal would help with mood, anger and impulsivity.
Linkadge: Come to think of it, have you ever tried Trileptal?
- Scott
Posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 7:08:15
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by SLS on June 21, 2005, at 6:50:47
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> There might be other things that would be better for you, but without knowing much about your condition and diagnosis, it is hard to know.
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> - ScottThanks link and scott,
The limbic thing sounds about right, I have ADD and am currently on Adderall XL, Xanax (which is okay for the physical symptoms of anxiety, but doesn't do much for the mental anxiety), and Ambien, which I love - didn't take it last night, didn't get one minute of sleep.
I've taken Lithium years ago and it didn't do anything for me, neither did the tricyclics. Don't think I've tried much else.Jazzy
Posted by mike13 on June 21, 2005, at 14:52:38
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 7:08:15
> Thanks link and scott,
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> The limbic thing sounds about right, I have ADD and am currently on Adderall XL, Xanax (which is okay for the physical symptoms of anxiety, but doesn't do much for the mental anxiety), and Ambien, which I love - didn't take it last night, didn't get one minute of sleep.
> I've taken Lithium years ago and it didn't do anything for me, neither did the tricyclics. Don't think I've tried much else.
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> Jazzy
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Dude, if you're taking adderall that might account for the intense emotions, anytime I took it I'd become very emotional, I'd mostly cry about things that normally wouldn't effect me that much.. adderall has a very powerful effect on the intensity of my emotions..
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2005, at 16:24:24
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by SLS on June 21, 2005, at 6:50:47
Yes, I have tried trileptal, and I knew you were going to ask that sooner or later.
I have so much to say about it, but I don't want to say it in a uncaring way.
It kind of made me feel extrordinarily robotic, almost drunk (even though I've never been drunk)
It seemd to take a lot away, and not give much back in return.I've only taken two anticonvulsants, epival, and trileptal. They both depressed my mood emotionally, but trileptal seemd to have the added wack of making me feel uncapable.
My mother tried to commit suicide on tegretol, but tollerated epival.
I don't really trust it from a molecular stand point either. Both lithium and epival effect BDNF, BCL-2, and GSK-3b in a similar way. I don't believe that trileptal is neurotrophic, but I cannot say for sure.
Again, take my ideas with a grain of salt.
Linakdge
Posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 16:38:50
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by mike13 on June 21, 2005, at 14:52:38
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> Dude, if you're taking adderall that might account for the intense emotions, anytime I took it I'd become very emotional, I'd mostly cry about things that normally wouldn't effect me that much.. adderall has a very powerful effect on the intensity of my emotions..
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Uh, not a dude, and the intensity is normal for me, Adderall or not. Maybe I should be happy about it, just a rough time right now, but thanksJazzy
Posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2005, at 18:18:28
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » mike13, posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 16:38:50
You don't mention SSRI's. A lot of people say they make them numb. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2005, at 19:24:53
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » Jazzed, posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2005, at 18:18:28
When people feel very crappy sometimes numbness is appealing, but there is much more to recovery then just feeling numb.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2005, at 19:26:32
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2005, at 19:24:53
Its just like when you're in a lot of physical pain, complete anesthisa seems appealing. But in doing so, you loose the ability to feel good things too.
Linkadge
Posted by 4WD on June 21, 2005, at 23:20:04
In reply to Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by Jazzed on June 21, 2005, at 3:02:05
> I know ppl talk about feeling emotionally flat, and I hear how painful that feels to so many ppl on the boards. I have found myself lately NOT wanting to feel so much, I'm tired of the intensity of the anxiety and sometimes anger or frustration. If you tell your p-doc that you want to feel less emotion, will they Rx something for that? And if so, what is it likely to be?
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> JazzyThey might RX Effexor. And it might work. You might not even be able to cry no matter what. You might not feel sad or angry or depressed or upset very often. You might never get scared. And if you ever have to go off it, you might all at once feel everything you *didn't* feel for the last however many years you were on it.
Marsha
Posted by Jazzed on June 22, 2005, at 8:48:53
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by 4WD on June 21, 2005, at 23:20:04
> They might RX Effexor. And it might work. You might not even be able to cry no matter what. You might not feel sad or angry or depressed or upset very often. You might never get scared. And if you ever have to go off it, you might all at once feel everything you *didn't* feel for the last however many years you were on it.
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> MarshaThanks linkage, Phillipa, and Marsha,
Well, you've convinced me that feeling intensely is most likely better than feeling flat, esp, what Marsha said. I don't want that! And, I don't want the Effexor withdrawl. Sorry to be such a whiney brat. My issues are so small compared to so many others. I should be grateful.
I guess I'll stick with the Adderall, Xanax, and Ambien, which is not a bad combo.Jazzy
Posted by linkadge on June 23, 2005, at 20:24:30
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by 4WD on June 21, 2005, at 23:20:04
"you might all at once feel everything you *didn't* feel for the last however many years you were on it."
That is **incredably** true. Right now I am off of AD's and every fear that I just shrugged off and threw out the window while on AD's, I am experiencing 10 fold. You can't escape your fears. They'll be waiting for you.Cancer, instanity, death, love, neucleur disasters, war, religeon, polution, disease, insecurity, inadequacy, radio waves, etc.
Heck, I am afraid to go within 15 metres of an operating microwave for fear of sustaining irreversable cellular mutation. Don't even tell me your fears, or I'll probably freak out about them too.
Just be sure you don't go off the deep end, or you'll need to reinstate, and retaper. And then of course the panic about the notion that reinstating will do nothing.Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 23, 2005, at 20:27:44
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything, posted by Jazzed on June 22, 2005, at 8:48:53
You might try some omega 3 at some point. It plumps up the dopamine receptors in the frontal cortex. When I did take ritalin, omega 3 was the difference between 10 and 20 mg.
It can also help with a host of other borderline ailments.
Just a thought
Linkadge
Posted by Jazzed on June 23, 2005, at 21:47:01
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » 4WD, posted by linkadge on June 23, 2005, at 20:24:30
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> That is **incredably** true. Right now I am off of AD's and every fear that I just shrugged off and threw out the window while on AD's, I am experiencing 10 fold. You can't escape your fears. They'll be waiting for you.OMGosh Linkadge,
I am so sorry that this is how it works! Will you go back on the AD's? Did you feel this way b4 AD's, or did the AD's cause it?
I won't tell you my fears, but they are more run of the mill, maybe more social in nature. I can at least quell mine by being alone, or being at home. I SURE don't want to invite more fears into my life by asking for ADs if they'll do that to me later!
As far as the Omega 3's. I'm on Adderall, and I tried that, made no difference for me whatsoever. I've heard it works for a lot of ppl though. I'm taking Xanax, and it does calm the physical side of my anxieties, but not the emotional side. It seems to give me weird headaches whenever I take it. I don't know if that's possible or not, just seems when I take it, I get a headache with stabbing pains behind my eyes. The last headache I got lasted so long I had to take Vicodin to get rid of it. My doctor is going to hate me! I'm such a pain in the *ss!
Jazzy
Posted by 4WD on June 23, 2005, at 22:36:14
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » 4WD, posted by linkadge on June 23, 2005, at 20:24:30
Linkadge, are you off all meds? Or just ADs?
As much as I hated to have to do it, Klonopin has saved my life. I am talking crawling, crying, screaming, begging terror which Klonopin quietly, calmly first lessened and now takes away completely (now that it's less terror and more jittery fear).
I know it can produce dependency on its own but I finally had to accept that. But now I'm down to .25mg day and I wish I had been more willing to take it sooner. I would have saved myself a lot of suffering. Could you try a small dose? To help you through the worst of it?
Marsha
Posted by linkadge on June 24, 2005, at 7:04:46
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » linkadge, posted by Jazzed on June 23, 2005, at 21:47:01
I can't say anything for sure, because there are perhaps others that have done better on AD's and better when they've come off.
It's been a nightmare for me. The first time I came off the drugs, my symptoms resembled more that of schitsophrenia, thats when I was put on lithium.
But AP's and lithium really didn't do much for me but make me depressed.
Everybody's different
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 24, 2005, at 7:09:03
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » linkadge, posted by 4WD on June 23, 2005, at 22:36:14
Actually clonazepam was of some use, but again it made me depressed.
I am having some sucess with Niacin (benzodiazapine like qualities), magnesium, and taurine. But yeah, I still got a bottle of 150 clonazepam upstairs that I don't use. One doctor I saw was probably on the mark when he said I had some "gaba deficiancy problem".
The clonazepam helped but I lost all beneficail effects within 3 weeks. Then I was just left with the decision to take more, or get off of it.
Linkadge
Posted by 4WD on June 24, 2005, at 21:14:13
In reply to Re: Don't want to feel much of anything » 4WD, posted by linkadge on June 24, 2005, at 7:09:03
> Actually clonazepam was of some use, but again it made me depressed.
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> I am having some sucess with Niacin (benzodiazapine like qualities), magnesium, and taurine. But yeah, I still got a bottle of 150 clonazepam upstairs that I don't use. One doctor I saw was probably on the mark when he said I had some "gaba deficiancy problem".
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> The clonazepam helped but I lost all beneficail effects within 3 weeks. Then I was just left with the decision to take more, or get off of it.
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> Linkadge
>Maybe you could add the supplement GABA to your regimen?
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