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Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 28, 2005, at 17:32:35
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » Ted_Brossnan, posted by ixus on March 28, 2005, at 14:42:05
> Hi Ted,
> I still believe you will have a success on Nardil. Just be patient. Have you reached a "magic dose" 1mg/kg? If so, wait 1 month+ to get full benefits.
> Please notify your progress.
> thanks
> /ixus
>Hi,
I am still at 60mg. I might go up to 75mg but need to find a solution for the anorgasmia first. That's the only side effect I have. It's really bad, can go for 2 hours with nothing, but unike a SSRI the sensations still there and they are even more intense but not that ejaculation thing, just ironic. I might try to get some antihistamine that antagonizes serotonin. Heard it helps greatly. Will see if I get it since I need to (import it). Well it's over in Oslo but need approval on some form, so in fact it only takes one or two days to get it. Looks fine so far, and I feel Nardil s already helping. More than anything I have tried in the past.
Take care,
Ted.
Posted by ed_uk on March 28, 2005, at 18:12:12
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » ixus, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 28, 2005, at 17:32:35
Ted,
How severe is your anxiety?
Ed.
Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 28, 2005, at 19:29:14
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » Ted_Brossnan, posted by ed_uk on March 28, 2005, at 18:12:12
Well. I would say it was very bad. Now I can say Thank You to the cashier, I can stand up in the buss with no problem (even smile to the two sitting hot blond chicks who noticed my half open jeans zipper (actually they played eyes and smiles:o) that was unthinkable before!!!), I just feel by now almost no eyecontact sensetivity, I can go and walk with more open and approachable facial expression, I feel this from how others respond to me, I can just do things without much pre-worrying, in the gym I feel MUCH more comfortable, I can walk through a bunch of girls in hot training suits with confidence, all of this after the Nardil :), I can go to shop even though I know it would be very full of ppl at that particular time of day...
Much more, really hard to remember, well, I can ask the bus driver if he is going x from the door not as before where I needed to get damn close to him. I feel less bad about people looking at me. I can just make a phonecall without rehearsing what to say beforehand!
I feel also much elevated mood. I appreciate music more, I can appreciate what I saw as dum programmes more such as Big Brother (they got union now Norway and Sweden). I mean I still think BB is stupid but yet can enjoy it!
I just feel that my shells are going little by little away by this Nardil. I feel just more open and positive. I have been now on it for little less than 4 weeks, 11 days on 60mg.
Looks good, isn't it? Thanks a lot Ed, you have helped me decide on starting the Nardil.
Will update, and hope you all will find what suits you and works for you.
Ed: do you know anything about that antihistamine, Periactin?! Have you heard about it? I will ask my doc for it to help with the sexaul side effects. Looks like it's pretty easy to get hold of despite that I need that import or special approval form. Looks like the local pharmacy can approve it same day, without involving the professional boards in Oslo (as happened with Nardil). And the medicine is found in stores in Oslo so it's not really import!!! I will just get it in 1 or 2 days after I get it rxed. Hope my doc just would go along, how can I really convince him?!
Bye,
Ted.
Posted by ed_uk on March 28, 2005, at 20:00:18
In reply to SA » ed_uk, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 28, 2005, at 19:29:14
Hi Ted!
>even smile to the two sitting hot blond chicks who noticed my half open jeans zipper (actually they played eyes and smiles:o) that was unthinkable before!!!
>can walk through a bunch of girls in hot training suitsOMG Ted, you are obsessed with sex!!! I always knew you were! You are hyper-sexual!
>I just feel by now almost no eyecontact sensetivity, I can go and walk with more open and approachable facial expression, I feel this from how others respond to me........
It sounds like you're doing really well, I think you will continue to improve over the next few weeks- perhaps you won't even need to increase the dose.
>I feel also much elevated mood. I appreciate music more........
Oh yes- music is good :-D
>Will update...
Yes, please do. I look forward to hearing your progress.
>I have been now on it for little less than 4 weeks, 11 days on 60mg.
I think you should stay on 60mg for several weeks now, you seem to be doing really well and its starting to look more and more like you won't need to increase the dose. I expect your sexual side effects will decrease in time. If you were on a higher dose you'd probably be less likely to develop tolerance to the side effects.
>Ed: do you know anything about that antihistamine, Periactin?! Have you heard about it? I will ask my doc for it to help with the sexaul side effects.
Yes, cyproheptadine is available in the UK. I think it might help your anorgasmia but it could make you quite drowsy so you might not feel like having sex (although knowing you that seems distinctly unlikely!!!)
>Hope my doc just would go along, how can I really convince him?!
Tell him that the sexual problems are causing problems with your girlfriend because she is worried that you don't find her attractive anymore now that you're not orgasming!!! (I don't even know whether you've got a gf but it's a good story)
Best of luck over the next few weeks,
Ed.
Posted by ixus on March 29, 2005, at 0:45:22
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » ixus, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 28, 2005, at 17:32:35
> Hi,
>
> I am still at 60mg. I might go up to 75mg but need to find a solution for the anorgasmia first. That's the only side effect I have. It's really bad, can go for 2 hours with nothing, but unike a SSRI the sensations still there and they are even more intense but not that ejaculation thing, just ironic. I might try to get some antihistamine that antagonizes serotonin. Heard it helps greatly. Will see if I get it since I need to (import it). Well it's over in Oslo but need approval on some form, so in fact it only takes one or two days to get it. Looks fine so far, and I feel Nardil s already helping. More than anything I have tried in the past.
>
> Take care,
> Ted.Hi Ted,
you should have less problems after 3 months or so. Have you got any anxiety i.e. tensions exept for SP? In a month or so I will give Nardil a try if I get it (hopefully). Then you will be my instructor ;-). Does postural hypotension bothers you still?
/ixus
Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 2:33:49
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » Ted_Brossnan, posted by ixus on March 29, 2005, at 0:45:22
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am still at 60mg. I might go up to 75mg but need to find a solution for the anorgasmia first. That's the only side effect I have. It's really bad, can go for 2 hours with nothing, but unike a SSRI the sensations still there and they are even more intense but not that ejaculation thing, just ironic. I might try to get some antihistamine that antagonizes serotonin. Heard it helps greatly. Will see if I get it since I need to (import it). Well it's over in Oslo but need approval on some form, so in fact it only takes one or two days to get it. Looks fine so far, and I feel Nardil s already helping. More than anything I have tried in the past.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Ted.
>
> Hi Ted,
> you should have less problems after 3 months or so. Have you got any anxiety i.e. tensions exept for SP? In a month or so I will give Nardil a try if I get it (hopefully). Then you will be my instructor ;-). Does postural hypotension bothers you still?
> /ixus
>
Hi,No I have no other anxiety problems except SP. But Nardil might help these, maybe?! At least it won't make them worse as Parnate would. I just experienced some hypotension for 3 or 4 days right after I got up to 60mg, but then went away completely!
I feel Nardil is pretty kind drug, not as tends to be often presented, at least for me.
Hope you get it soon, really good stuff so far.
Ted.
Posted by ixus on March 29, 2005, at 2:55:11
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » ixus, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 2:33:49
>
> Hi,
>
> No I have no other anxiety problems except SP. But Nardil might help these, maybe?! At least it won't make them worse as Parnate would. I just experienced some hypotension for 3 or 4 days right after I got up to 60mg, but then went away completely!
>
> I feel Nardil is pretty kind drug, not as tends to be often presented, at least for me.
>
> Hope you get it soon, really good stuff so far.
>
> Ted.Hi Ted,
Parnate works fine but benzo is needed. I want to withdraw from benzo. Theoretical profile of Nardil fits better for me except for hypersomnia and concentration (Parnate is probably better in these areas). We'll see.
/ixus
Posted by missliz on March 29, 2005, at 7:39:36
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation, posted by ixus on March 29, 2005, at 2:55:11
I started this thread because I'm sick and I need information. You people have been most unhelpful, inconsiderate, and rude. It's rude to hijack a thread. I guess I'll be redirecting the rest of your drivel into the junk folder and writing off this site.
It's a shame, too, because pschobabble used to be an inportant resource. Good job drbob
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:12:33
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation, posted by missliz on March 29, 2005, at 7:39:36
>I started this thread because I'm sick and I need information.
Ya, well, you're not the only one
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:20:32
In reply to nardil reformulation, posted by missliz on March 28, 2005, at 0:25:47
I'm just reposting missliz's original post because the thread seems to have gone off on a rather bizarre tangent..........
I wanted to go back on Nardil; it was a very good drug for me for many years. I was taken off it by a lesser doc- now I have a good one again.
So I heard Phfizer reformulated it and it isn't really the same drug anymore, just a crummy generic version of its self. Heard it just plain doesn't work as well. Any long term users care to comment?
Thanks,miaaliz
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:35:04
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation, posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:12:33
Here are the contact details for the current UK manufacturer of Nardil. You can email them if you want to find out whether they manufacture the 'old' Nardil or the 'new' Nardil. It appears that Hansam healthcare, the former UK manufacturer of Nardil no longer exists!
Concord
Concord Pharmaceuticals Ltd
Bishops Weald House
Albion Way
Horsham
RH12 1AH
Tel: (0845) 602 0137
Fax: 0870 241 2335
Email: enquires@concord-pharma.comEd.
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:50:48
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation, posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:12:33
Hmm, here is the website for Concord Pharmaceuticals Ltd.
The company was founded in 1996.
It says that they aquired a product from Parke-Davis, presumably Nardil. I've never really understood what the relationship is between Parke-Davis and Pfizer, I think Parke-Davis may be part of Pfizer.
So Ted, you may have Nardil from Hansam Healthcare at the moment but stocks will soon run out. I suppose you'll have to get Nardil from Concord instead. I don't know whether it'll be the 'old' Nardil or the 'new', probably the 'new' I'd guess.
Ed.
Posted by djmmm on March 29, 2005, at 9:21:44
In reply to Concord Pharmaceuticals Ltd..... to Ted and Liz, posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:50:48
> Hmm, here is the website for Concord Pharmaceuticals Ltd.
>
> http://www.concordpharma.com/
>
> The company was founded in 1996.
>
> It says that they aquired a product from Parke-Davis, presumably Nardil. I've never really understood what the relationship is between Parke-Davis and Pfizer, I think Parke-Davis may be part of Pfizer.
>
> So Ted, you may have Nardil from Hansam Healthcare at the moment but stocks will soon run out. I suppose you'll have to get Nardil from Concord instead. I don't know whether it'll be the 'old' Nardil or the 'new', probably the 'new' I'd guess.
>
> Ed.
>Pfizer is the parent company of several other well known subsidiaries, including Pharmacia Corporation, Parke-Davis, Warner-Lambert and Goedecke
Posted by The_Resistance on March 29, 2005, at 9:37:09
In reply to Re: New UK manufacturer of Nardil........., posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:35:04
I'm glad to hear your doing well on Nardil Ted.
I'd really like to try it, wonder if it would help with my SA and anxiety
I just need to find a UK Doc who will prescribe it
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 9:41:20
In reply to Re: Concord Pharmaceuticals Ltd..... to Ted and Liz, posted by djmmm on March 29, 2005, at 9:21:44
Hi djmmm,
Thank you for the info!
I've just been doing some research and it turns out that several of Hansam Healthcare's products are now supplied by Concord Pharmaceuticals instead. UK Nardil was transferred from Hansam to Concord very recently. I don't think Hansam even exists anymore, perhaps they are still in business under a new name. Hansam and Concord aren't the same company though. I wonder what the new UK Nardil will be like?
Regards,
Ed.
Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 9:53:41
In reply to Re: New UK manufacturer of Nardil........., posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 8:35:04
> Here are the contact details for the current UK manufacturer of Nardil. You can email them if you want to find out whether they manufacture the 'old' Nardil or the 'new' Nardil. It appears that Hansam healthcare, the former UK manufacturer of Nardil no longer exists!
>
> Concord
> Concord Pharmaceuticals Ltd
> Bishops Weald House
> Albion Way
> Horsham
> RH12 1AH
> Tel: (0845) 602 0137
> Fax: 0870 241 2335
> Email: enquires@concord-pharma.com
>
> Ed.Hi Ed,
Thanks for this info. But Hansam is not the manufacturer at all. It was or is only the company that supplies the Nardil from the company that produces it to Scandinavia and maybe other places. My Nardil is manufactured by Celltech Manufacturing Services Ltd, Lancashire, UK.
Please, and since you work in the field, can you make me a favour and call them and ask them about the formulation or at least get full list of ingredients? My spoken English is not that easy to understand. I just find it hard language to pronounce!
This is the phone number of Celltech:
+ 44 (0) 161 342 6000 (Lancashire: place where it's actually produced)
or:
+ 44 (0) 1753 534655 (Berkshire: headquarters)
You can ask them to send me a fax with info to:
001 509 479 8175 (# at the USA: my efax free number!).I still haven't got any answer from the pharmacy and Celltech has no email for the public!
I would be very happy if you could help with this one.
Take care,
Ted.
Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 10:00:50
In reply to Ted_Brossnan do you live in the UK?, posted by The_Resistance on March 29, 2005, at 9:37:09
> I'm glad to hear your doing well on Nardil Ted.
>
> I'd really like to try it, wonder if it would help with my SA and anxiety
>
> I just need to find a UK Doc who will prescribe itHi,
No, I live in Norway. Isn't it possible just to call around doctors and hear from them. I wrote about 10 before I found 2 willing to rx a MAOI.
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 12:42:34
In reply to Re: New UK manufacturer of Nardil......... » ed_uk, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 9:53:41
Hi Teodor!
>But Hansam is not the manufacturer at all. It was or is only the company that supplies the Nardil from the company that produces it........
Really? I had no idea! Perhaps Concord will be your new supplier.
>since you work in the field....
Lol, I'm only a student!
>can you make me a favour and call them and ask them about the formulation or at least get full list of ingredients?
Yes, I will try :-)
>My spoken English is not that easy to understand. I just find it hard language to pronounce!
I think the pronounciation is VERY different to Norwegian! I've read that English people find Norwegian, Swedish and Danish very difficult to pronounce. Your written English is very good though :-)
Take care,
Ed.
Posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 13:19:04
In reply to Re: New UK manufacturer of Nardil......... » Ted_Brossnan, posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 12:42:34
> Hi Teodor!
>
> >But Hansam is not the manufacturer at all. It was or is only the company that supplies the Nardil from the company that produces it........
>
> Really? I had no idea! Perhaps Concord will be your new supplier.
>
> >since you work in the field....
>
> Lol, I'm only a student!
>
> >can you make me a favour and call them and ask them about the formulation or at least get full list of ingredients?
>
> Yes, I will try :-)
>
> >My spoken English is not that easy to understand. I just find it hard language to pronounce!
>
> I think the pronounciation is VERY different to Norwegian! I've read that English people find Norwegian, Swedish and Danish very difficult to pronounce. Your written English is very good though :-)
>
> Take care,
> Ed.
>
>
Hi,Thanks a lot Ed. Yeah they are pretty different languages when it comes to pronouncination. Really kind of you that you would try talking to them and see what they say.
But don't you have any practice or would it be all theory? How many years have you finished?
Bye
Ted.
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 16:07:45
In reply to Re: New UK manufacturer of Nardil......... » ed_uk, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 13:19:04
Hi Ted,
Missliz is angry that we 'hijacked' her thread- we shouldn't post in this thread anymore. I will start a new thread when I've spoken to the people at Celltech :-)
>But don't you have any practice or would it be all theory? How many years have you finished?
I'm in my second year at university. The course is four years.
Bye!
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on March 29, 2005, at 16:10:31
In reply to Re: New UK manufacturer of Nardil......... » ed_uk, posted by Ted_Brossnan on March 29, 2005, at 13:19:04
Hello,
Has anyone taken the 'old' Nardil and the 'new' Nardil???????
Please can you compare their effects....
Ed.
Posted by ace on March 29, 2005, at 21:16:30
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation » missliz, posted by ed_uk on March 28, 2005, at 7:18:00
> Hello,
>
> >it isn't really the same drug anymore...
>
> It's exactly the same drug as it always was: phenelzine. The 'inactive ingredients' in the tablet have been changed.
>
> Regards,
> Ed.That comment by Ed is exactly true. Inactive ingrediants are also responsible for Nardil having to be kept refrigirated now.
Nardil is the same.
Ace
Posted by ace on March 29, 2005, at 21:17:49
In reply to nardil reformulation, posted by missliz on March 28, 2005, at 0:25:47
> I wanted to go back on Nardil; it was a very good drug for me for many years. I was taken off it by a lesser doc- now I have a good one again.
> So I heard Phfizer reformulated it and it isn't really the same drug anymore, just a crummy generic version of its self. Heard it just plain doesn't work as well. Any long term users care to comment?
> ThanksThe new Nardil is fine from what I can tell...only inactive ingredients changed.
>
> miaaliz
Posted by ace on March 29, 2005, at 21:19:25
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation, posted by The_Resistance on March 28, 2005, at 4:45:11
> I have never taken either new or old Nardil although I'd like to give it a try.
>
> Apparently the Old formulation is still available in the UK and Australia, I think.All i can say is the Nardil version in Australia is brilliant -- just don't go on and off it like stupid me! It most likely will loose efficacy
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 30, 2005, at 4:26:20
In reply to Re: nardil reformulation, posted by missliz on March 29, 2005, at 7:39:36
> You people have been most unhelpful, inconsiderate, and rude.
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