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Posted by willyee on March 6, 2005, at 2:01:40
I wanna thank the people who have responded to my posts.I learned a lot,but i think it is as far as im gonna get,and its time for me to move on again
I just wanna make two brief comments,first about Nardil,i know many people here,myself included read such high praises of the med,and found it to be a dud.Well in case some of you dont know,i imagine most do,there is a gigantic issue with nardil,an issue so big a nardil group,yess a group consisting soly of nardil users have this as their main and pretty much only topic of conversation everyday.
Appearently,again for those who do not know,the formualtion of nardil was changed,immediatily veteran uses,some on it for 20 plus years noticed nardil DID NOT work anymore,due to this change.Thier believe is the new formualtion has altered the medication ineffective,and this is prob more of a fact than believe since hundreds of nardil users are agreeing on it.
They are in the process of challenging the manf over it,and say the changer is so dramatic that most are switching meds until the issue is resolved,stating the "new" nardil is pract useless.
I thought this might be of value to dissapointed people here who tried it,again myself included.I plan on keeping a eye on the situation and so far it seems dramtic enough that i would try it again,when the problem is fixed.I just cant find fault in so many people recomending it over parnate,so an ineffective pill would be nice to know,this way i have hope the med can really deliever what people say it does.
As for parnate,im totaly frustrated with it,all augmentation,and doseage strategies have failed,so i continue to research.Just some trivia to change to mood,i had a article once,i cant find it no longer,but it gave a history of the med.
Parnate was syntezied first by a chemist/professor in his home lab,he was working with chemicals in hopes of helping his wife who had parkinson disease.Parnate was one he came up with,unfortunalty it did not help his wife,but it ended up being sought by glaxco and bough of the chemist,and branded of course the name....PARNATE.This doesent surprise,reason is if anyone has ever contacted the company,and asked it would be almost impossable to find someone who knows anything of value concenring it,they simply read off the data sheet they have sent me a zillion times.Too bad this chemist wasnt around and learned how effective his drug can be,imagine the alterations he could have possably made to with todays technology to make the med safer,and more effective.It is effective today with no alterations to it,a med being altered i.e dose varitons extended release etc is a luxury meds today have,imagine if parnate had this,if more calming properties were added to it we could have had a incredable tool to today in the fight.
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2005, at 8:15:49
In reply to Last about Maois., posted by willyee on March 6, 2005, at 2:01:40
Have people who relapsed on the new Nardil tried increasing their dosage?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2005, at 8:17:51
In reply to Last about Maois., posted by willyee on March 6, 2005, at 2:01:40
> As for parnate,im totaly frustrated with it,all augmentation,and doseage strategies have failed,
Lithium?
Desipramine or nortriptyline?
- Scott
Posted by Ted_Brosnan on March 6, 2005, at 8:23:37
In reply to Re: Last about Maois., posted by SLS on March 6, 2005, at 8:15:49
I have just started taking Nardil provided by Hansam UK. Not sure if this is manufactured by the old formula...
It might be that a dosage increase is needed with the new Nardil. I have in fact read about people who found it useful as the old one.
The Hansam brand is manufactured by Celltech UK. Any ideas about this brand?!
BTW on the box there's a registered trade mark declaration. Not to Hansam but to some other non mentioned party.
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2005, at 8:53:46
In reply to Re: Last about Maois. » SLS, posted by Ted_Brosnan on March 6, 2005, at 8:23:37
The old formulation used in the US was a round glossy orange tablet that looked like a small M&M candy. It is my foggy recollection that the new formulation was oval shaped. My recollection often sucks, so don't take my word for it.
- Scott
Posted by Ted_Brosnan on March 6, 2005, at 9:15:32
In reply to Re: Last about Maois. » Ted_Brosnan, posted by SLS on March 6, 2005, at 8:53:46
Great to hear. Yes what I got is round glossy orange (light red) tablets. So it might be that it's just the old Nardil!
Strange I must keep them in the range of 2 to 8 celsius degrees, i.e. in the cooler.
I wrote Celltech, hope to get a definitive answer soon.
I am still at 30mg and feel minor side effects...
Posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 10:11:36
In reply to Re: Last about Maois. » SLS, posted by Ted_Brosnan on March 6, 2005, at 9:15:32
Hi Ted!
>I am still at 30mg and feel minor side effects...
What side effects do you have so far?
Best of luck,
Ed.
Posted by Ted_Brosnan on March 6, 2005, at 19:57:07
In reply to Re: Nardil » Ted_Brosnan, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 10:11:36
Just some hypotension.. nothing that I notice actually but that I detect with the BP monitor. Maybe some reuced orgasmic ability...not sure...
Well it differs than Selegiline in that that it's not activating and anxiety producing and clearly not aphrodisiac as the Selegiline (gosh that one)!
Not sure but can it be that I am getting already some relief after just 3 or 4 days?!!!!! Maybe it builds up on the Selegiline that I stopped 10 days ago..
Posted by willyee on March 6, 2005, at 22:48:51
In reply to Re: Last about Maois. » Ted_Brosnan, posted by SLS on March 6, 2005, at 8:53:46
> The old formulation used in the US was a round glossy orange tablet that looked like a small M&M candy. It is my foggy recollection that the new formulation was oval shaped. My recollection often sucks, so don't take my word for it.
>
>
> - Scott
Your recollection is pretty good,for reassurance as to the Nardil type,here is a link that should answer any doubts.......http://www.stratguitar.com/nmember/nardil.asp
Posted by ixus on March 7, 2005, at 3:43:47
In reply to Nardil » ed_uk, posted by Ted_Brosnan on March 6, 2005, at 19:57:07
Selegiline induces anxiety indeed. So it may be that you feel relief after you stopped taking selegiline.
/ixus
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