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Posted by winddancer on February 9, 2005, at 14:42:24
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by californiagirl on February 9, 2005, at 0:32:54
I will know more about the acupuncture for me after I've had a few more sessions. The acupuncturist is first treating me for insomnia with Acup and Chinese herbs. I am sleeping better, but still wake up several times/night. I've often wondered how to find a therapist who is knowledgeable and open to alternate therapies as well as understanding something about the drugs. Perhaps by first finding an acupuncturist they might know of therapists who are open to non-pharmacy treatments of depression. I have found a counselor who does hypnosis and believes in Chinese herbs as well as having familiarity with medications and is very good with talk therapy. It's unfortunate that western medicine and most mental health insurance plans do not pay for alternate treatments.
Why do you think that doctors are "pushing" for more use of Effexor over other meds, if there are so many ugly side effects for so many people? And my doctor discourages my use of gaining info from this or any chatroom.
winddancer
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2005, at 15:18:54
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » californiagirl, posted by winddancer on February 9, 2005, at 14:42:24
The insurance companies, and how else would they be able to keep pts if they were using alternative choices? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by russman on February 9, 2005, at 15:59:09
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I have been on effexor 75 mg now for approx 3 or 4 years. I began treatment after my job performance was affected by decreased abillity to focus. I was extremely surprised at the diagnosis of depression, because I have always had a very positive outlook in dealing with any problem that ever came up. It was apparently brought on by too much stress and too many "irons in the fire". The 35mg initial prescription helped but my doctor suggested going to 75mg to help me a little more, and I have been on 75mg since.
I have tried to decrease the amount a couple times without good results. My initial symptoms began to return with a few days so I went back up to 75mg. I have thought about stopping a couple times when I ran out of my prescription, but after approx 48 hours I cannot seem to cope and become more and more confused and irritable.
My wife seems to feel I begin showing irritable symptoms after I miss one daily dose. So I feel I'm dependent on effexor now. It did not repair my problem but it controls it and gives me the ability to work and deal with life in general.
I recently began an exercise program to try and loose weight I've put on the past 3 or 4 years and I am hoping it will help me move towards lowering my dependency on effexor. I am 54 yrs old and semi retired as of last October so I am hoping my stress levels will be lower from now on also.
I hope someone else can relate to my experience and I will watch for advise on this web site.
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2005, at 16:03:59
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by russman on February 9, 2005, at 15:59:09
Don't retire unless you have a lot of plans, and a lot of money, otherwise you will end up like me. Unhappy. I was put on Disability because of Depression/Anxiety. I'm definitely more depressed and anxious now because I gave up a job I loved. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Troubled1 on February 9, 2005, at 23:39:09
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hi everyone. This is going to be a LONG message as I wish to share some info regarding myself in an effort to address several members' concerns/questions at the same time. First, I just wanted to update you on my effort to get off Effexor. I had reduced over night from 225 mg to 75 mg. Had some nausea and dizziness but Gravol seemed to help. After 3 days on 75, I decided to just go for it and quit taking it all together. It is day 3 (I think, maybe 4) with no Effexor. Nausea and dizziness got worse at first but now seem to be tapering off (still using Gravol). I did notice that my dreams changed to nightmares and I was actually scared like a child again one night. I was afraid to go back to sleep as I was convinced that killers were hiding in my bedroom. Managed to realize the absurdity of this and did fall back to sleep. Haven't had terrifying dreams since that night. My sleep itself has been better. I can actually fall asleep at a normal time now and am not waking after 2 hrs like I had been on Effexor. At this point, I still require a lot of sleep (12 hours) but the good news is that when I am awake, I am much more alert and focussed. I no longer feel the uncontrollable urge to curl up and go to sleep in the middle of the day. The drugged feeling is pretty much gone and I feel like I have feelings and emotions again. I do have to admit that I am crying easily again and today, for the first time so far, I am irritable as all get out. I am not normally an irritable depressed person so I have to assume that the irritability is part of the withdrawal process and will pass. The only other time I can remember being this snappy is years ago when on Prozac. I was one of the ones that got violent (yelling, throwing things) on Prozac so got off it right away. Has anyone tried a natural product called Serenity? I found it on the internet and have ordered a 30-day free trial of it. It is a natural form of lithium with no side effects. Testimonials on the website are positive but you can never tell what's real and isn't. I figured I had nothing to lose by trying it so I am eagerly awaiting it's arrival. Can check it out if interested at www.urbannutritioninc.com or just do a search for Serenity if above address doesn't work. It is supposed to work much more quickly than synthetic drugs (1-3 weeks to notice a difference). I will definitely keep you all informed of my progress on it once it arrives. For those of you currently weaning off Effexor, hang in there. Everyone's body chemistry is different but don't be too quick to assume that irritablilty, etc. while weaning, is due to a resurgence of your original condition (anxiety, depression, etc.). It may just be withdrawal and once the drug is completely out of your system (could be several weeks)you may feel differently. If not, you can always try a different drug which may work better with your body. I have had some success with Zoloft in the past with no side effects other than sexual but never felt completely like my old cheerful self so thought I'd try Effexor this time. Big mistake for me as it turned out although I did think it was great at first. I had no side effects on Welbutrin in past but didn't feel it lifted my mood as well as Zoloft. Something to note re Effexor. It seems that most members of this site, didn't notice the nasty side effects until they had been on it for a long time. For me it was about 1.5 years on it. So, for those who are having success on it after a short time, just be vigilent and, if you start feeling extremly fatigued, etc. in the future, address this ASAP with your doctor. Mine thinks that my fatigue, etc.is all in my head (HA HA)due to the fact that I am getting even more depressed over being depressed for so long and unable to work. I am currently proving him wrong since the physical issues are now subsiding without the Effexor. Only you know your own body well enough to figure out what is really going on. Trust your instincts. Also, for those who suffered from depression with fatigue (prior to being on meds), if you haven't had your thyroid tested recently, do so. I suffer from hypothyroidism as well as depression and know that there is a huge link between the two. Many have been misdiagnosed with depression only to find out later that their thyroids were the cause. Even if you are genuinely depressed, it could be due to the exhaustion that comes with hypothyroidism. It's hard to stay cheerful when you are so tired that it takes every ounce of energy you can summon up just to do some housework after working all day at your job. By the way, I have been a practising Social Worker for 14 years now who also has a degree in psychology and worked in a psychiatric hospital in the past. It seemed that I could handle a ton of stress at work and at home until my thyroid went on the fritz. I haven't felt like myself since that time even though I've been on Synthroid continuously and my TSH levels are consistently within the "normal range". I personally feel that my depression is a symptom of my thyroid and plan on discussing new studies/treatments with my Endocrinologist next week. I am hopeful that by trying these new treatments for my thyroid, my mood will lift as well. If you are interested in this and wish to find out more, search the internet for new experiments done on hypothyroidism and T3 levels. Well, I will end this now before it is book length but hope that this info has helped someone. Take care all and feel free to ask me if you have any questions re all that I have said here.
Karen
Posted by woodie on February 10, 2005, at 13:45:30
In reply to Re: my Effexor experience, posted by KaraS on December 24, 2004, at 13:45:25
Hi, I'm new here and would like to say how helpful it is to find such a wealth of experience and tips wrt Effexor and trying to come off it. I have been on it for about five years, with two previous failed attempts to stop. My doctor continues to tell me that I am not ready to stop if I have such a tough time with withdrawal effects. I have been slowly tapering down from 75 mg over about two months, and I'm currently 'stuck' at half of 37.5 mg. I am not able to function with the symptoms I get when I try to reduce further. I'd like to try one or two doses of a longer acting SSRI to get over this final hurdle but am unsure which ones would fill the bill. My doctor promises to be of limited help, so I thought I'd ask you guys so I am armed with some suggestions when I talk to her. Thanks in advance for any help that comes my way, and good luck to everyone else trying to do this.
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 15:49:47
In reply to Comments for all who've written since Feb. 5/05, posted by Troubled1 on February 9, 2005, at 23:39:09
Hi Karen. I was on the original little house-shaped tab Effexor prob. 7 yrs ago. Worked well. Got off as depression surged (may well have been environmental/incidental, but you can't think straight sometimes when depressed,...not enough patience I guess). None of the SSRI's worked for me in long run. Zoloft was like the movie, 'Awakenings', good, then bad. Tried all. Tried Eff-XR, had horrible side effects. Tried SSRI's again, to no avail. Then, a second chance with Eff-XR 150mg am and 75mg laterinday and doing good, just some fatigue and dullness of thought, but so much better than the horrible anxiety and depression in reaction to abuse, thievery, you name it ... and, as well, it is the only AD that has ever helped my anxiety at the horrors of people. Looking back; said this before here ... anxiety preceded my depression. But of course was then dx'd depression w/ anxiety; think they've got that backwards.
REASON FOR MY RESPONSE TO YOUR POST - Want to mention the hypothyroidism. On the regular FORM FOR A LARGE CORP OF LABS IN THIS METRO I LIVE IN, T3 IS NOT LISTED. The doc has to write it in! Just a tip for anyone wanting to dig a little deeper than just TSH level.
I'd like to hear more of what you uncover. Do you think that not running the T3 when I was younger was negligent? I was on the same trek; but I wonder if they ran a T3 then, or just the TSH, as I did have my thyroid level tested and wasn't treated, so must have been normal (? the testing).
Just this year, when doc wrote in T3, dx'd hypothyroid and treated w/ levothyroxine 75mg.
Some docs are reluctant to check off too many tests on lab forms. My opinion is they are usually the fam docs or PCPs.
My mother went for years before a thorough hepatology series was tested.
She was tired, sick, and yellow for a couple years and had more than one doc run tests. All the docs were running were the regulars, CBCs, etc.
It was just luck that a particular doc' ran a thorough hep series. Uaware at this time of the terminology for all the tests required to dx hepatitis B, but he ran them; finally she could dx'd and treated.
I've actually sneaked a few checkmarks on my lab test sheets before ... (a no-no), but having worked in the med field, I know this goes on.
So if some PCPs and fam docs are reluctant to dig deep into lab tests, and folks cannot afford a specialist, they may be going undiagnosed because ALL THE NECESSARY TESTS, ON THE FORM, OR NOT WRITTEN ON THE FORM, TO PROPERLY DIAGNOSIS (DX), weren't ever done. (sorry about the run on) cf
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 16:05:04
In reply to Re: Comments for all who've written since Feb. 5/05 » Troubled1, posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 15:49:47
All my problems too, started when my hypothroidism was dx'd. Even with the synthroid, I continue to be anxious and depressed. And, yes, I've had my T3, and T4 checked, with the full panel. I don't know if it makes a difference if mine is the autoimmune type {Hasimotos}, or not. But, as I've Posted before, when I worked psych I read the pts lab results, and there was an incredibly high % of pts dx'd with hypothyroidism. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 16:29:59
In reply to Re: my Effexor experience, posted by woodie on February 10, 2005, at 13:45:30
Welcome.
As well as the current info, look back, I'd say 6mos or more; well, that's when I started posting here. There's a lot of good info re: discontinuing Effexor-XR.
Don't know if many folks are on plain Effexor anymore. Didn't see much discussion re: differences.
I am on Eff-XR; haven't tried d.c. it (this time), as going through a lot of huge life changes and can still do my NADLs (normal activities of daily living) pretty well!
best wishes cf
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 16:51:36
In reply to Re: Comments for all who've written since Feb. 5/05, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 16:05:04
Hashimoto's (just some doc's name) hypothyroidism is most common, followed by less common 'medical reasons' that cause hypothyroidism. Ya' know my levothyroxine is at 75mg and I'm also still anxious and depressed. Check out the BETA BLOCKERS. My mother is on one! I have a tremor and palpitations! Maybe I've got too much now and am hyperthyroid! Thing is, are these psych drugs messing up our pituitary gland output which would be messing up our thyroids? cf
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 16:59:25
In reply to Re: Comments for all who've written since Feb. 5/05 » Phillipa, posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 16:51:36
Oh no! Why did you mention the pituitary gland? I had an MRI done that showed a possibity of a small tumor on my pituitary gland. The neurologist said it was nothing, and I left the hospital before the endocrinologists read the films. I left these films at the neurologists yesterday and told him they were supposed to be read by above. I don't think he will forward them though since they feel there is no problem. Fondly, Phillipa PS I have an elevated ANA, which is indicative for autoimmune diseases. I was tested for Lupus, Hasimotos, and Sjournes, as well as some I don't remember. All but the Hashimotos were negative. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Troubled1 on February 10, 2005, at 20:39:09
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hey all. I was reluctant to get into any more detail yesterday as my post was already incredibly long. I fear that this one will be as well but is important enough to write. I am not an MD but have been told that the thyroid is like the control centre for the body. If it isn't functioning properly, many other things, seemingly unrelated, can go wrong. I was diagnosed as hypothyroid in 1996. In 1995, I was noticing fatigue and just a general feeling of not being myself. I used to have energy to spare. I would jump out of bed in the morning and start vacuuming. I was also a real social butterfly. The change occurred too suddenly for me to be comfortable with. I did not feel stressed out or depressed; just simply really tired. If I rented a movie, I would fall asleep trying to watch it. I went to my GP who tested my TSH and said it was a bit high so had me go back for a different, supposedly more sensitive, test. I was told that it came back okay so the first test must have been wrong. WRONG! After another full year of feeling crappy, my gynecologist ran a full blood panel and, surprise, surprise, I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and referred to an endocrinologist who I continue to see to date. I have been on Synthroid since that time. My TSH levels fluctuate but have remained in the so-called normal range. It wasn't until this horrible debilitating depression set in that I really started to research hypothyroidism. Everything seemed to fall into place. I discovered that physical problems that I have suffered from and am being treated by various specialists for (IBS, IC, chronic sinusitis, migraines, endometriosis, adult acne, etc.)are all common in those with hypothyroidism. I guess some people do great on Synthroid and the other common meds used to stabilize TSH, T4 levels, however, despite my levels always being within the "normal" range, I have consistently reported feeling fatigued and not quite like I was prior to the condition developing. I began a crusade to find out more. I want to be sure that the primary cause of my problems is being treated properly rather than the symptoms all separately. I came across some interested stuff on the internet re T3 levels. Most doctors do not test T3. When your body is performing as it should, it will take the T4 you get from Synthroid, etc. and convert it into T3. T3 is actually the more powerful hormone and is responsible for many things. Most doctors assume that your body is doing the conversion for you, therefore, they only feel the need to supplement your T4. If your T4 tests say that your TSH is within the normal range, they expect you to feel great. Recent studies, however, have shown that this is not the case with a large percentage of hypothyroid patients. When these patients participated in a blind, controlled study in which they were actually given T3 and T4 for a period of time, and just T4 for the same length of time (not knowing which they were on each time), a huge majority of them reported feeling better when T3 was given as well. The reason I mention this study here is that the study was done to measure mood more than anything else. The participants filled out questionaires after each period of treatment. Those who had T3 & T4 first, reported improved mood during that period and poorer moods when on T4 only. Those who had T4 only first, rated moods as poor during first period and improved during second (T3 added). Unfortunately, a lot of doctors are hesitant to add T3 to T4 as these studies are new, therefore, have not been repeated numerous times yet. This frustrates me as they are not the ones who feel like crap. I have decided to discuss this with my endocrinologist next week and ask him to add T3 to my treatment. If he refuses, I will look for a new doctor who will. There are testimonials on the internet from those whose doctors were open-minded and agreed to try the T3 treatment. These patients report feeling so much better now. It's worth a try. The worst that can happen is that it doesn't make a difference for me. At least I will have tried and will not be wondering if I could feel so much better if only had a doc who was willing to try with me. Hope this info is helpful to those of you who are hypothyroid. Will keep in touch and be here for everyone. Take care.
Karen
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 20:59:03
In reply to More on hypothyroidism, posted by Troubled1 on February 10, 2005, at 20:39:09
Please let me know what you find out. You can Babble me if you like. I started out with a flu-like syndrome and my chest was so tight it took great effort to take a deep breath. This with extreme fatigue. From that my anxiety rose extremely high to panic. Add more xanax and synthroid. Stabalize, and then vertigo that sent me to the emergency room for antivert and 2mg IM of ativan. After this the intolerable fatigue, nightmares, night sweats, and cold spells. I was told this was depression and was given lopressor to prepare my body for l0mg of Paxil. A 3 month period of lying in a hammock or the couch ensued. Finally I came out of it and was able to go back to work. The pdoc said "how did you do it?". What a strange thing to ask I thought. Anyway, about 2yrs later it happened and I've never been able to work since, and the drug parade began. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:02:32
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism » Troubled1, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 20:59:03
Pls both share responses from endos.
Now that I look more closely at a current blood workup form right in from of me here, what he has written is actually, well an asterisk above, and then, not just the word T3, but T3 free
What I wonder is up with that?
I want to write in myself, T3, T4!!!!!!!
I can't believe that STILL after all these years, thyroid isn't researched more closely. My mouth is kind of hanging open.
Please Phillipa, Karen, Troubled, let me know what you may or may not find out. I'm sure many here are interested in this. I am open to babble.
Thanks cf
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:05:56
In reply to More on hypothyroidism, posted by Troubled1 on February 10, 2005, at 20:39:09
I'm sorry, Karen and Troubled1, one and the same. cf
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 22:10:42
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism » Phillipa, posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:02:32
Corafree; What you are looking at is part of a complete thyroid panel profile. It's good that this was done. But, I still say that even if everything checks out fine, as it does with me, that does not explain the abundance of depression/anxiety associated with hypothyroidism. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:25:09
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism » corafree, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 22:10:42
Okay, T3 free, written in. Above TSH (already on form) is testosterone (alphabetical), and above that is thyroxine (T4). That one is not checked. Shouldn't it be? cf
Posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:30:53
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism » Phillipa, posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:25:09
Now I see there is also, T3 uptake, and Thyroid Cascade Profile, already on form, unchecked. Shall I ask for referral to an endo?! cf
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2005, at 23:55:51
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism » corafree, posted by corafree on February 10, 2005, at 22:30:53
Tell him you want a complete thyroid panel done. When the results are in,find out what they are. Then if you think it's necessary see an endo. In the meantime, find a good endo {I don't know if you're in a large city or what}ask around for a good ones' name and call and tell them your situation and find out how you can see him. Boy, here I am telling you how to do it, and I don't have the guts to call the neurologist and demand he send my MRI to the endo! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Troubled1 on February 11, 2005, at 1:27:48
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I strongly recommend seeing an Endocrinologist if anything is abnormal re lab results. Most good doctors will refer you w/o you having to ask. There is a reason that Endos exist. They have far more knowledge in that area than GPs. They also deal with all disorders of the endocrine system, not just thyroid. Adrenal insufficiency is another disorder that I stumbled upon while researching pituitary disorders. It has similar symptoms including fatigue, depression, etc. and can be brought on simply by stress. I plan on requesting that my Endo do a full blood panel for other disorders/hormones as well as my regular hypo tests. I've read that some suffering from chronic fatigue symptoms have had success with treatment not only with T3 but also treatment for adrenal exhaustion, and supplementation of any other hormones that may be deficient (progesterone was a common one for women) even prior to menopause. Sometimes you just have to push for what you need at the risk of ticking off your doctor. Any time I have felt ill enough to go to my GP in the past, I have been right. As discussed, I knew there was something wrong and sure enough tests showed hypothyroidism. Years later, I began having severe nausea and vertigo. After complaining several times to GP who acted as though I was a hypochondriac, he referred me to a medical centre who specialized in problems of the inner ear. Sure enough, after being hooked up to electrodes, having water pumped into my ears, being placed into weird positions, etc., my tests came back with a definite difference in the way the right side of my brain and the left were responding. They hypothesized that I likely had a prior ear infection that was untreated and, therefore, caused the damage. Anyway, the bottom line is that it is your life. You are the one suffering, not your GP. After this recent experience, this Social Worker really doesn't give a you know what if my doctors like me as long as they continue to run the tests I need. I'm sure if they had to live in our shoes for even a day, they'd run every bloody test known to modern man on themselves. So, go ahead and push guys and gals. Sometimes you just have to take back control of your lives to get results. We Social Workers are trained to empower our clients. As a result, it's extremely frustrating to have a GP who just wants you to shut up and let him/her make all the decisions re your life/health for you. Do your own research and don't be afraid to discuss it with your GP (tactfully, of course; egos are fragile). Good luck.
Karen
Posted by corafree on February 11, 2005, at 13:58:54
In reply to Re: Thyroid testing, posted by Troubled1 on February 11, 2005, at 1:27:48
Appreciate your encouragement. Before finding so many knowledgeable and giving people on this website, might have given up. best wishes cf
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2005, at 16:37:42
In reply to Re: Thyroid testing, posted by Troubled1 on February 11, 2005, at 1:27:48
Oh no! My mother died as a result of Addison's Disease in the l960's at age 48. They thought I had Cushings Disease in my late 20's, but it turned out I just drank a lot of water. With the constant stress I'm experiencing,{move, sell of custom home, no job, my husband no job, loss of 3 beloved pets, doctor changes, about to lose insurance}, I could go on and on, but you get the picture. I have been saying that the reason I don't feel, taste anything{went to Taste Center so I have the papers to prove it} no reaction mentally to anything, that my adrenals are exhausted. Now I'll have to do a search on this. I will also tell the new pdoc on monday, as she has a lot of experience. I just hope she's finally "the one". Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by dancingstar on February 11, 2005, at 18:37:50
In reply to More on hypothyroidism, posted by Troubled1 on February 10, 2005, at 20:39:09
My internist is an integrative medicine doctor and uses Armour thyroid because it supposedly works on both the T3 and T4. I've had great results with it even though pharmacists tend to look at me like I'm nuts when I first go there with my prescriptions. It's not a popular choice these days.
I didn't need thyroid, though, until I had been on Effexor for quite some time. Now that I am off of Effexor, I will need to have my TSH levels checked again to be sure that I don't need to lower the dosage.
You are right, though, thyroid is amazingly important in helping to ward off so many problems, including depression.
Bebe
Posted by Daky on February 11, 2005, at 19:11:58
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism » Troubled1, posted by dancingstar on February 11, 2005, at 18:37:50
Jumping in here to share a bit about hypothyroidism and depression/anxiety. It's important to have a doctor who tests thyroid function regularly. If there is a problem a referral to an endocrinologist MIGHT get you the help you need. Often times however, the best place to look is for an "alternative" doctor, like an OD or a natureopath or a MD who is holistically oriented. A couple of good books are The Thyroid Solution by Dr. Arem and What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Hypothyrodism by Mary Shomon (About.com--thyroid disease forum).
It's complicated and getting a doctor to correctly diagnose it and treat it using T3 can be difficult. Armour is a good option for many but the amount of T3 is too high for some people. Armour was the drug of choice for years before the synthetic T4 meds were developed.Some people do much better on Armour (pigs thyroid hormone) than on the synthetics but others find the amount of T3 in Armour to be too high.
I go to a thyroid guru in the Boston area and am fortunate to have found him but unfortunately, his practice is now closed to new patients. He has helped me tremendously.
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2005, at 19:57:35
In reply to Re: More on hypothyroidism, posted by Daky on February 11, 2005, at 19:11:58
Don't mention OD. The "bad" pdoc was one. While when I first saw him nearly 8yrs ago he was holistic oriented he became corrupt when he became a psychiatrist and passed the Boards. The drug companies got him, now he's under investigation for medical fraud, and illegal distribution of controlled substances. I have had my thyroid checked in the last month at least 4-5times due to changing pdocs so much. Fondly, Phillipa
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