Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 437803

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best medication for rejection sensitivity?

Posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 18:37:01

What's the best medication for rejection sensitivity? I seem to take any kind of rejection or criticism very hard and I become an emotional mess feeling depressed and anxious.

 

Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity?

Posted by King Vultan on January 4, 2005, at 19:18:27

In reply to best medication for rejection sensitivity?, posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 18:37:01

> What's the best medication for rejection sensitivity? I seem to take any kind of rejection or criticism very hard and I become an emotional mess feeling depressed and anxious.


Parnate is the best I've tried by far. YMMV.

Todd

 

Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity? » chess

Posted by Colleen D. on January 4, 2005, at 19:33:59

In reply to best medication for rejection sensitivity?, posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 18:37:01

Please look at my post on the Relationships board, and thank you for asking this question.

Colleen

 

Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity?

Posted by Dan Perkins on January 4, 2005, at 20:22:40

In reply to best medication for rejection sensitivity?, posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 18:37:01

"Rejection sensitivity" is one of the symptoms of Atypical Depression and MAOIs (Parnate & Nardil) are thought to be the most effective medications to treat Atypical Depression.

 

Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity? » Dan Perkins

Posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 23:13:51

In reply to Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity?, posted by Dan Perkins on January 4, 2005, at 20:22:40

Dan
"Rejection sensitivity" is also a symptom of Avoidant personality disorder. I've always wondered which I have if either. Do you know how one would know the difference as to if they had Atypical Depression or Avoidant Personality Disorder?


> "Rejection sensitivity" is one of the symptoms of Atypical Depression and MAOIs (Parnate & Nardil) are thought to be the most effective medications to treat Atypical Depression.

 

Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity?

Posted by TheOutsider on January 5, 2005, at 4:50:20

In reply to Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity? » Dan Perkins, posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 23:13:51

I just wanted you to know Chess, that you are not alone in wanting to know what is the best med for rejection.

I personaly don't think rejection sensitivity 'has' to be associated with atypical depression, it can also be associated with social anxiety and aviodent personality disorder.

MAOIs are considered good treatments.
I found GHB helped with rejection.

Sorry for spelling mistakes

 

Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity? » TheOutsider

Posted by chess on January 5, 2005, at 6:44:45

In reply to Re: best medication for rejection sensitivity?, posted by TheOutsider on January 5, 2005, at 4:50:20

what is GHB?

> I just wanted you to know Chess, that you are not alone in wanting to know what is the best med for rejection.
>
> I personaly don't think rejection sensitivity 'has' to be associated with atypical depression, it can also be associated with social anxiety and aviodent personality disorder.
>
> MAOIs are considered good treatments.
> I found GHB helped with rejection.
>
> Sorry for spelling mistakes

 

Prozac may still be the best AD out there

Posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2005, at 22:45:47

In reply to best medication for rejection sensitivity?, posted by chess on January 4, 2005, at 18:37:01

Although the MAOIs (especially Nardil) are the most effective for rejection sensitivity, it is difficult to find a doctor that is willing to prescribe them. I have never come across one.

Have you read the book Listening to Prozac by Peter Kramer? It has a whole chapter about rejection sensitivity. I believe that rejection sensitivity is cured best by enhancing Serotonin by itself which is why Nardil works better than Parnate among people with avoidant personality disorder (Parnate has a greater effect on Norepinephrine & to a lesser extent some effect on Dopamine). Additionally, I took selegeline/l-deprenyl by itself which affects dopamine & it mainly causes anxiety with no decrease in depression.

I think the best choice for the shy or timid is one of the SSRIs. The effect of SSRIs is about the same as 1.5 beers, not quite the 3 beer effect I have been looking for, but better than nothing & without the awful dumb drug & addictive effects caused by Benzos (which are said to make you 10% dumber). I currently take generic Prozac 20mg & it gives a wonderful boost to your self-esteem & generally make you more outgoing (although sometimes you burst out things without thinking about them first = foot in mouth). I used to take Zoloft & it had a similar effect atleast at 100 mg. If those are too stimulating you could always take Paxil or Celexa instead, although the thing I like about Prozac is that it does not cause the "dumbness" that Zoloft, Celexa, or Paxil caused me. It is also good to drink a tall glass of milk at night to keep tryptophan levels up (but do not take 5htp with an SSRI you will regret it!) & help with SSRI insomnia & also take a centrum multivitamin at night with your milk & take 400 mcg of folic acid in the morning which in studies seemed to help Prozac work better.

The main downside to Prozac Zoloft & Paxil & to a much lesser extent Celexa is the sexual side effect of anorgasmia is pretty awful. It is much easier to meet women on Prozac BUT they do tend to get frustrated when it takes atleast a half an hour to one hour to finish, if you can finish! Also, you have to give up alcohol entirely because even 2 beers are enough to almost totally erase the effects of ssris & send you reeling back into depression.

Cheers,
3 Beer Effect

 

Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there

Posted by sfy on January 6, 2005, at 11:17:38

In reply to Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2005, at 22:45:47

Prozac did wonders for my depression but had little if any impact on my SP and its related rejection sensitivity.

 

Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there

Posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 11:34:34

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by sfy on January 6, 2005, at 11:17:38

Prozac was great while it lasted, but that was ten years ago. Doesn't work for me anymore.

> Prozac did wonders for my depression but had little if any impact on my SP and its related rejection sensitivity.

 

Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there

Posted by ed_uk on January 6, 2005, at 11:37:39

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 11:34:34

Hmmmm..... not sure if I could distinguish Prozac from a placebo. It did seem to make me rather drowsy and lazy though. Activating- no way! LOL. No SSRI will ever 'activate' me!

Ed.

 

Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there

Posted by Optimist on January 6, 2005, at 11:50:02

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by ed_uk on January 6, 2005, at 11:37:39

I'm not finding the Prozac I'm taking is doing much for my rejection sensitivity. Pro-dopaminergic drugs on the other hand do a world of good for that.

 

Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there

Posted by jclint on January 6, 2005, at 11:54:46

In reply to Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2005, at 22:45:47

"Also, you have to give up alcohol entirely because even 2 beers are enough to almost totally erase the effects of ssris & send you reeling back into depression."


Hmm I don't think that's universally true...

 

Re: Prozac may still be est AD out thereed_uk

Posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 12:04:31

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by ed_uk on January 6, 2005, at 11:37:39

I would only say this through the anonymity of a message board, but the clearest distinction between Prozac and placebo for me would have to be the fact that I could last for HOURS in bed on Prozac. I lasted for over 2 hours with the first woman that I slept with; she actually got really upset at me because she was absolutely convinced that I was lying to her about this being my first time.

I really thought I was naturally blessed with some sort of supernatural prowess in bed until I went off of Prozac and realized that my ability was not natural at all.

The Catch-22 here was that the Prozac pretty much killed my interest in sex and took most of the enjoyment out of it for me.


> Hmmmm..... not sure if I could distinguish Prozac from a placebo. It did seem to make me rather drowsy and lazy though. Activating- no way! LOL. No SSRI will ever 'activate' me!
>
> Ed.

 

Re: Prozac may still be est AD out thereed_uk » Dan Perkins

Posted by ed_uk on January 6, 2005, at 13:05:18

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be est AD out thereed_uk, posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 12:04:31

Hi Dan!

>I would only say this through the anonymity of a message board.......

Well, I guess I could also distinguish between Prozac and placebo based on its sexual effects. It was an ok treatment for my prem ejac but not as reliable as high-dose Paxil!

Ed.

 

Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there » Dan Perkins

Posted by Optimist on January 6, 2005, at 15:16:40

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be est AD out thereed_uk, posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 12:04:31

Dan,

How would you compare the sexual side effects between Prozac and Parnate? I'll be doing the same switch shortly if my pdoc lets me. I've noticed with the Prozac that's it's significantly reduced both my sex drive and increased my delay of orgasm. I find it takes much of the enjoyment out of it.

I'll have to go through the 5 week washout period, although only 2 weeks with the Wellbutrin so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad.

Brian

 

Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there

Posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 15:21:51

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there » Dan Perkins, posted by Optimist on January 6, 2005, at 15:16:40

I would say that Parnate does not cause the increased delay of orgasm that Prozac causes. Parnate does a lot less damage to your sex drive than Prozac does, but I still don't have much of a sex drive to speak of (I would attribute that to the depression as well as to permanent damage done by years of SSRI use).


> How would you compare the sexual side effects between Prozac and Parnate? I'll be doing the same switch shortly if my pdoc lets me. I've noticed with the Prozac that's it's significantly reduced both my sex drive and increased my delay of orgasm. I find it takes much of the enjoyment out of it.
>
> I'll have to go through the 5 week washout period, although only 2 weeks with the Wellbutrin so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad.
>
> Brian

 

tianeptine » 3 Beer Effect

Posted by Franz on January 6, 2005, at 18:38:40

In reply to Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2005, at 22:45:47

very interesting 3beer, good to see you again here.

I wonder if tianeptine, not a SSRI, just the opposite, could help for shyness.

It seems it works for some people:

http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/group/alt.support.shyness/messages/227491.html

 

Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there » Dan Perkins

Posted by Optimist on January 6, 2005, at 20:41:21

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there, posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 15:21:51

> I would say that Parnate does not cause the increased delay of orgasm that Prozac causes. Parnate does a lot less damage to your sex drive than Prozac does, but I still don't have much of a sex drive to speak of (I would attribute that to the depression as well as to permanent damage done by years of SSRI use).

Dan,

What makes you think you have permanent damage from SSRI's? Have you read any research on this phenomenon or is it a personal theory of yours. I'd be interested to hear your explanation.

Brian

 

Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there

Posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 21:27:24

In reply to Re: Prozac may still be est AD out there » Dan Perkins, posted by Optimist on January 6, 2005, at 20:41:21

I haven't read any research on this and I'm not sure if any has been done, but I have heard several others (both male and female) express the same belief that SSRIs have done lasting damage to their sex lives.

All I can tell you is that before starting on Prozac and Zoloft I was as horny as can be and since then I have been pretty much dead below the waist as far as sexual desire goes. I am a 26 year old male with the libido of an eighty year old, and I can trace this loss of libido straight back to my use of SSRIs.

> What makes you think you have permanent damage from SSRI's? Have you read any research on this phenomenon or is it a personal theory of yours. I'd be interested to hear your explanation.
>
> Brian

 

Re: double double quotes » 3 Beer Effect

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2005, at 23:09:08

In reply to Prozac may still be the best AD out there, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2005, at 22:45:47

> Have you read the book Listening to Prozac by Peter Kramer?

I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon

The first time anyone refers to a book, movie, or music without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html

Thanks!

Bob


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