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Posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 13:08:20
In reply to Re: depotake links?, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 12:54:38
Hi Link,
Did you try to get the Cipramil Oral Drops to help you get of the citalopram?
Ed.
Posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 13:14:21
In reply to Citalopram » linkadge, posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 13:08:20
Whats the point who do we sue?
a few freinds have told me to not take no more meds, cus they are obviousley messing with our brains in a bad way..
Ive been med free total for about a month now i want my brain to get back to normal not sure if it will ... i am scared ..
Im gonna go to the docs wen they are open wednesday i think and am gonna tel them i want an mri wish they did spect scans here can you get one done links? do you think you can stop all the meds you are on? is that possible maybe it will help ?
im actually experiencing like my brain shakes buzzes, my eyes are twitchy, i jolt now and then like when your in bed well i get it in the day when im awake, is like i have alot of electricity up there, im also getting brain zaps still and when i look at certain things and think about certain things could be anything i get an awfull feeling in my head a huge brain zap/tingle pins and needles feeling ... i sure they are partial seizures or something ... well scary ..
Posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 13:46:13
In reply to Citalopram » linkadge, posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 13:08:20
I tried a 4month tapering scheme where I would disolve the citalopram in a fixed amount of water, and then let a little more water out each day. No matter how slow I went, the symptoms withdrawl would slowly start up, and never subside.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 13:48:04
In reply to Re: buzzing brain and flickering eyes, posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 13:14:21
I am hoping that the new docotor I go to in January will give me an electroencephalogram.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 16:02:02
In reply to Re: buzzing brain and flickering eyes, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 13:48:04
Link; I thought you were doing better too. At least you have sounded better on some of your other Posts I have read. How about the Benadryl and Prozac other Posters talk about to help with W/D? I don't know. Just a thought. Phillipa P.S. Crazychick, I thought coffee and sweets were helping you also?
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 16:27:19
In reply to Re: Citalopram, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 13:46:13
Ed; Just reread your Babblemail, and I Babbled you back then. Did you receive it? I addressed the questions you asked me. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 17:46:47
In reply to Re: Citalopram, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 16:27:19
Hi Phillipa,
No, I didn't receive it. How strange!
Ed.
Posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 17:59:41
In reply to Re: Citalopram, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 16:27:19
Emotionally I'm not doing too badly, but I am having a series of symptoms that is freaking me out.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 19:12:30
In reply to Re: Citalopram, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 17:59:41
With all those physical side effects I would think it would be effecting you emotionally, but I'm glad it's not? Are you still up for adoption? Phillipa
Posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 19:14:46
In reply to Re: Citalopram » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 19:12:30
For me this is affecting me emotially badly ... freaking me out.. i am worse now than what i was 8 mnths ago :-S
This feels so weird i just want things to be normal again ..
Posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 19:30:05
In reply to Re: Citalopram » linkadge, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 19:12:30
Sure I'm up for adoption. The side effect take their toll, I can't deny that.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 19:47:40
In reply to Re: Citalopram, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 19:30:05
I'm sorry. Do you get out and do things or just stay in? Does the Xanax help if you do go out? Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 19:55:19
In reply to Re: buzzing brain, posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 19:14:46
Crazychick; What are you doing to stay calm? Are you at home with your daughter? Are you going to take any meds if the pdoc says you should? Maybe something else for anxiety. I don't know what else you can get rx'd for you in the Uk. Phillipa
Posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 19:57:34
In reply to Re: buzzing brain, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 19:55:19
Im doing cbt
goto mind
and see a therapistNO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MORE MEDS uh noooooo no no no no wayyy
i sniff lavander and just try to stay posiitve as poss..
no my mum has my daughter im gonna ask her to adopt her before her father gets news of my illness
Posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 20:14:18
In reply to Re: buzzing brain, posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 19:57:34
Hi Donna!!
Try neroli oil, I like it much better than lavender. It's also more expensive though :-(
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 20:20:59
In reply to Re: Citalopram, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2004, at 19:30:05
So... is Linkadge my new adopted brother yet?
Ed.
Posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 20:24:30
In reply to To Phillipa!, posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 20:20:59
whats neroli oil? wil that get rid of my severe dalibitating anxiety? what about brain zaps? weakness in the head? i mean when im concentrating on something, when i look at certain things its like im having some kind of a seizure...
never expienced this ever in my life.. all my severe probs started when i stopepd remeron 5 mnths ago then i tryed effexor for 4 days a mnth ago and its gettign worse daily.. paranoia is starting now and neg thoughts galore cant handle this.. dont want more me ds cus they r ALL making me worse ... im not making this happen its just happening ... im so weak mentallly and physically ..dO u know of spect scans in the uk? i know theres some serious damage in my brain caused by meds..
cherrs
Posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 20:40:38
In reply to Re: To ED !!, posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 20:24:30
> whats neroli oil? wil that get rid of my severe dalibitating anxiety? what about brain zaps? weakness in the head? i mean when im concentrating on something, when i look at certain things its like im having some kind of a seizure...
Hello!
Neroli oil is the fragrant essential oil which comes from the blossoms of the Seville orange tree. It is named after an Italian Princess called Neroli.
Neroli oil smells very nice and so it's widely used in perfumery and aromatherapy. In aromatherapy, Neroli is used to treat depression and anxiety because it is both calming and uplifting. If you like the smell you would probably find it relaxing- you can put a few drops in the bath. It is more expensive than lavender oil, you can buy it from Holland and Barrett. Be sure to find out whether you like the smell before you buy any!
> dO u know of spect scans in the uk? i know theres some serious damage in my brain caused by meds..
I am not sure which hospitals do SPECT scans.
Ed.
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 21:09:45
In reply to Re: To Donna !! » crazychickuk, posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 20:40:38
I Babbled You. Fondly Phillipa O
Posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 22:02:37
In reply to Re: To Ed, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2004, at 21:09:45
Does anyone nderstand this..
feels like i am having partial seizures feels like im gonna have a fit any time ... i go to docs they say its anxiety wtf they dont know whats going on the phyiscal symptoms o my god come ot of no where. i constantly fee my head jumping, im jolting, my brain tingles ... grrrrrrrrr anyone else?
Posted by Stryker88 on December 27, 2004, at 3:22:43
In reply to Re: To Donna !! » crazychickuk, posted by ed_uk on December 26, 2004, at 20:40:38
What an outrage!!!!!
Posted by crazychickuk on December 27, 2004, at 6:29:54
In reply to Re: This Is an Outrage Wyeth/Eli Lilly are Liars!!, posted by Stryker88 on December 27, 2004, at 3:22:43
not forgetting organon ..
If it wernt for most of these drugs i think half os us would be fine .. :-S
Posted by bamboomz on December 27, 2004, at 10:08:30
In reply to Re: buzzing brain, posted by crazychickuk on December 26, 2004, at 22:02:37
Hi guys,
I have been on Celexa for 2 weeks now. It is my first time trying an anti-depressant and since day one, it has been making me feel really weird. After reading all of your posts, I am starting to feel like maybe I should'ent be taking this stuff. Brain buzzez? Seizures?!? How can a drug company put something on the market that affects people's brains in such scary negative ways?
This drug is making me feel weird. If I stare at something too long...I feel like it is looking back at me. If I look really close at my pupils, they look like they are pulsing or I guess you could say buzzing. I feel sick and spinny for usually 3 hours after taking the drug. Somedays, I feel like I am underwater and everything seems ominous and strange to me.I was put on 20mg of celexa because I have been having problems with postpartum depression due to my hormones being all over the place. I guess I do not feel depressed as much but it has been replaced with paranoia, manic episodes (can't get off the floor one day, feeling inspired by all smiley cartoon characters on t.v. the next), and zombie like,"ho-hum I just want to lay on the couch all day" feelings.
Does it continue like this or will I start to feel balanced and happy soon? Is this stuff gonna mess with my brain to the point of changing who I am? When I go off of it, will I be o.k.? I don't want to experience seizures, I hate anxiety and I would rather be horribly depressed then go through anxiety episodes. I guess I am starting to feel worried about the state of my brain and I don't feel entirely comfortable with entrusting the doctors and drug companies to help me.
Posted by crazychickuk on December 27, 2004, at 10:11:44
In reply to Re: buzzing brain, posted by bamboomz on December 27, 2004, at 10:08:30
Hormones u say? bloody hell have you tryed the pill? do you see a gyni for this? i have probs with my hormones too i should be taking metformin for pcos and the pill for some female hormones cus i got to much testosterone ..
How long u been takin celexa for? Try and come of it if you can its obviousley not for you ..
have you tryed viatamin b supplements?
Posted by chemist on December 27, 2004, at 10:31:04
In reply to Re: This Is an Outrage Wyeth/Eli Lilly are Liars!!, posted by crazychickuk on December 27, 2004, at 6:29:54
hello there, chemist here...i find this thread particularly fascinating: there are calls for instigation of legal action against eli lilly, wyeth, and organon - i suspect from the citalopram business that forest ought to be included as well - yet not one implicates action/inaction on the part of the patient. most of us who are capable of navigating the waters of the internet and operating a computer ought to be savvy enough to read the labels on the package in which medication is dispensed. the physician - however rotten they might be - most likely continues to prescribe medication for a patient after discussing the matter with the patient. regardless, patient + physician does not = marriage for life. nor does it include a binding clause to continue to take the medication if it is not working.
tobacco companies in the u.s. have not been model corporate citizens since their inception, but the warning label on the cigarette carton - and the links to emphysema, lung (and other) cancers, and heart disease - states clearly that the product is not good for enhancing one's health.
producers of alcohol-containing beverages do include - by law, i suspect, but no matter - warnings stating that one should monitor their intake of alcohol, do not drive an auto while intoxicated, and that using alcohol while pregnant, for instance, is not a wise choice (to put it mildly).
of course, the liquor store proprietor and convenience store clerk do not require the purchaser to hold a prescription: rather, proof of age (usually) is sufficient. thus, the patron is one's own prescribing physician for cigarettes and alcohol. the clerks do not send their customers from the premises with stern directives regarding addictive potential, withdrawl, adverse effects, and so on.
why should a pharmaceutical company be held liable for a physician and patient agreement? i do qualify this statement not to be inclusive of falsified data, failure in post-marketing, and so forth. i particularly wonder why so many miserable people taking effexor, for example, continue to do so: is the misery offset by something i am not aware? is it a cure for baldness, a fertility-enhancer, an anti-cancer drug? do tell!
here i am at home, surrounded by medical texts and references, but that is not of import: using google and a few search words (celexa and forest and home), i lucked out and am downloading the PDF-format prescribing information from Forest Laboratories, Inc., for Celexa. this is the same information in my PDR, and you can save the $58US by grabbing the information for free (from other manufacturers as well).
all of the answers in re: celexa are contained in this 16-page document just hot off the printer. it is stated that people suffering from major depression - whether taking an AD or not - may exhibit worsening of symptoms and must be monitored. things like anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, psychomotor restlessness, and hypomania are cause (this is from the manufacturer, as are all data) to "consider changing the therapeutic regimen, including possibly discontinuing the medication in patients for whom such symptoms are severe, aprupt in onset, or were not part of the patient's presenting symptoms."
Forest states that Celexa is not approved for treating bipolar disorder. Forst states that Celexa is not to be used in pediatric populations. then, under big-font, bold letters, is the section on precautions for discontinuing Celexa. "During marketing of Celexa and other SSRIs and SNRIs, there have been spontaneous reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these drugs, particularly when abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability, agitation, dizziness, sensory disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations), anxiety, confusion, headache, lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, and hypomania."
i needn't repeat the almost-identical information for effexor, remeron, and (i assume) cymbalta/prozac/symbyax: it's all there, and always has been. those "brain zaps" that seemingly baffle thousands of SSRI/SNRI users are well-known and advertised - for free - as one of many awful side-effects by the very companies that market the drugs.
in addition to mattw84's excellent suggestions, might i offer some of my own observations/suggestions? why not...it's been such a long time...
(1) if you have a temporal lobe problem, i'd suspect hearing/smell oddities: motor coordination impulse/sensory control (in general) might best be found looking toward the cerebrum (frontal? substantia nigra in midbrain?) and for the eye problems - the nystagmus variations don't ring true, although what do i know - cranial nerves (say, 3, 4, and 6); and the wiring further down the way and to the rear, look at the pons/midbrain/medulla and some autonomic contributors (9?, 10?); don't bother with citalopram, as the information concerning "brain zaps" and too many other pieces of bad-voodoo is free, widely-distributed, and pushed by the very folks who make the stuff (and the same goes for effexor and any other med);
(2) if you are inclined to instigate legal action for your continued ingestion of substances that you find not to be of use for your malady, and said ingestion is not required by law nor forced upon you against your will (i.e., it is your choice, as the doctor assesses the situation and writes a prescription: you are hardly bound to take any or all of the medication), please do retain excellent counsel and forward to me the appropriate name(s): despite drinking case upon case of coors light beer, bikini-clad young women did not appear on my doorstep inviting me to a game of beach volleyball and a hot-tub afterwards. the headaches, dry-mouth, expanding gut, and malfunctioning liver are to be replaced by the brewer of the suds;
(3) if you wish further progress in the field of pharmaceutical research for formulating better drugs - keeping in mind the 20-year development process (on average, +/-, and this is before pre-clinical) and the $500,000,000US to $1,000,000,000US cost, all of which stands a great chance of being lost along the way - do not loot the very industry that requires the money to accomodate your needs. on a similar note, why support them at all? why are you putting money into the pockets of the evil producers of the drugs you rely upon to keep you in a state of misery? stop taking the meds and be done with it;
(4) it's good to be back....i've missed you all terribly....all the best, chemist
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