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Posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 18:09:59
So, on this board we've got lots of benzophiles and MAOI-ophiles. Surely someone must love their SSRI?
Ed.
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 18:44:42
In reply to Where are the SSRI-ophiles?, posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 18:09:59
First time around l0mg of Paxil was a winner with about 5 beers, then when I stopped drinking it stopped working. Any thoughts about this? And,by the way Ed, my husband and I want to adopt you! you are so helpful, knowledgeable, etc. Do you have family? Fondly Phillipa
Posted by Dan Perkins on December 24, 2004, at 19:06:23
In reply to Re: Where are the SSRI-ophiles? » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 18:44:42
I loved Prozac and Zoloft ten years ago. But each stopped working after a while and when I tried them again years later they did not help at all. I don't think that the SSRI's are great drugs, I just think that (and other people may see this differntly) people do well on them because they are usually the first antidepressants that people take.
I think that in general we start to become resistant to the effects of ADs and that nothing works quite as well as the first ADs that we try.
Since then, the thing that has worked best for me has been Parnate, which I do think is a better drug than the SSRIs.
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 19:25:41
In reply to Re: Where are the SSRI-ophiles?, posted by Dan Perkins on December 24, 2004, at 19:06:23
You're right, I know of lots of people this is true for. Do you think that going without one will help to get your brain rewired back to "normal"? My daughter just started Prozac and it is working like a charm for her she says. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 19:45:21
In reply to Re: Where are the SSRI-ophiles? » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 18:44:42
>by the way Ed, my husband and I want to adopt you!
Hi!
Thank you, that's such a nice thing to say! I can be a real pain at times though!
Happy Christmas,
Love Ed.
Posted by linkadge on December 24, 2004, at 20:01:52
In reply to Re: Where are the SSRI-ophiles? To Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 19:45:21
I have found that SSRI's are a mixed bag. They have stopped working for me, but on the same hand, I am not as bad as I was without them.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 20:07:21
In reply to Hey adopt ME !! :), posted by linkadge on December 24, 2004, at 20:01:52
Ed; My husband says to tell you that he is that way all the time. P.S. I Psycho-Babbled you. Phillipa.
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 20:09:46
In reply to Re: Where are the SSRI-ophiles? » Dan Perkins, posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2004, at 19:25:41
Link; You want to be adopted too? Only if you bring your brain machine! Sorry Dr. Bob, I know it's off topic. I'll stop, but everyone should have parents at Christmas!
Posted by linkadge on December 24, 2004, at 20:12:38
In reply to Hey adopt ME !! :), posted by linkadge on December 24, 2004, at 20:01:52
SSRI's worked well for a while, but there was always a part of me that said "this is not right"
It's like I was well, but I was building my self a very tall - very narrow tower of happiness whoose crash almost enevitable.
I think part of the reason that they work really well for a while is because when you are first diagnosed with depression, and told that its a chemical imballence in your brain, it starts a whole paradigm shift in your thinking. All of a sudden every problem you had, could have been the result of this problem with your preception. You think that because this problem has now been fixed that you will never suffer again.
Its almost a spiritual transformation. "I once was lost, but now I'm found, was blind but now I see"
Later you realize that the emotional anesthetic will wear off and emotional pain will once again hurt.
Please note this is my little pessimistic view.Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 20:19:58
In reply to Re: Hey adopt ME !! :), posted by linkadge on December 24, 2004, at 20:12:38
Hi Link!
>All of a sudden every problem you had, could have been the result of this problem with your preception. You think that because this problem has now been fixed that you will never suffer again.
Yes, the first AD that I ever took was Seroxat (Paxil) when I was about 14. I expected it to make me feel really happy so I got a bit of a dissapointment when it didn't!
Ed.
Posted by Dan Perkins on December 24, 2004, at 20:31:22
In reply to Re: Hey adopt ME !! :), posted by linkadge on December 24, 2004, at 20:12:38
Wow, that is all very very well said and I agree with all of it.
That "paradigm shift" idea is a good way to put it. My father tried to get my brother and I do go on antidepressants from a young age, and he would always tell us that going on antidepressants was like putting on glasses after having bad vision and going without them your entire life. If it were only that simple.
It is very easy to slip into thinking that all your problems come from depression and that a pill can solve them all. This sort of helpless way of thinking is part of why I think I am worse off now than I was b/f I took my first antidepressant. I have spent years going from one AD to the next trying to find that one perfect drug that will cure all my problems - I have, in a way, stopped taking full responsibility for my happiness.
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Posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 20:40:33
In reply to Re: Hey adopt ME !! :), posted by Dan Perkins on December 24, 2004, at 20:31:22
>This sort of helpless way of thinking is part of why I think I am worse off now than I was b/f I took my first antidepressant. I have spent years going from one AD to the next trying to find that one perfect drug that will cure all my problems - I have, in a way, stopped taking full responsibility for my happiness.
Ahh, the danger's of biological psychiatry!
Ed.
Posted by linkadge on December 25, 2004, at 10:07:18
In reply to Re: Biological Psychiatry » Dan Perkins, posted by ed_uk on December 24, 2004, at 20:40:33
That is strange. Did your father have reason to believe that you were depressed ? Did he suffer depression himself and benefit from AD medications ??
Linkadge
Posted by Dan Perkins on December 25, 2004, at 10:34:09
In reply to to Dan, posted by linkadge on December 25, 2004, at 10:07:18
Yes on all counts. There is a history of depression on my father's side of the family. He has been depressed all of his life and he had an older brother who was depressed and who committed suicide. My older brother and I have both suffered from depression and my father was aware that we were depressed long before we knew what depression was.
I can't really blame him for trying to talk us into taking ADs. It is only after 10 years of going from one AD to the next that I have come to realize that medication is only a partial solution to my depression. When I have kids, if they are depressed I would never try to convince them to take drugs. But if my father believed that drugs were the answer and that, as he put it, they were like putting on glasses for the first time and seeing the world in a much more realisitc and happier way, then I certainly can't blame him.
Anyway, my father's pushing us really had no effect on my brother or I and, if anything, they turned us off to the idea of taking ADs. While my father first brought up the idea of going on an AD I was probably about 10 years old, but it was not until I learned about depression on my own in my Sophmore year of high school (5 years later) that I started on Prozac. And it was not until about 6 years ago that my brother starting taking an AD, which is probably at least 15 years after my father brought up the topic with him.
> That is strange. Did your father have reason to believe that you were depressed ? Did he suffer depression himself and benefit from AD medications ??
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Posted by linkadge on December 25, 2004, at 12:33:16
In reply to Re: to Dan, posted by Dan Perkins on December 25, 2004, at 10:34:09
Thats interesting.
My mother suffered from bipolar disorder, and she ignored every sign and every call for help. She knew I was depressed but was so caught up in her self that she didn't think it was possable for anyone else to be suffering.
in some ways I feel that it I had been given the proper medication before it had time to progress, then I would be better off.
did you father benefit from medications.
Linkadge
Posted by Dan Perkins on December 25, 2004, at 13:54:20
In reply to Re: to Dan, posted by linkadge on December 25, 2004, at 12:33:16
I think he is somewhat like me in that he has been on a string of different medications and has had limited success.
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