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Posted by Jeroen on December 16, 2004, at 14:27:53
hi, i really am frustrated what the geodon gave me yes tardive dyskinesia... 20 mgs i didnt feel tired at this dose and no sedation, it was like ABILIFY
I AM SO TIRED OF THIS BAD STUFF HAPPENING TO ME... IF ZYPREXA HIGH DOSE, OR CLOZARIL HIGH DOSE WONT FIX IT... THEN YES I WILL KILL MYSELF.
Im getting 21 on 30 december this month, i will NOT celebrate my birthday with family, not christmas and newyear, just on my own getting drunk, i dont care anymore!
I lost a girl, she was a good friend for about a year, now because of this TD it created a stress so i insulted her but i dont wanted to do that.. just this TD is killing me!!!
i beleive in god and he wants me killed.
i will try all possible treatments before i kill myself,ZYPREXA 30 MG, AMANTADINE 300 MG, VITAMINE E 1600 MG, B6 and an SIPRALEXA 10 MG anti depressant
should i add something else for TD? ill do it
Posted by linkadge on December 16, 2004, at 14:49:31
In reply to im thinking of my TD, EYES BLINKING..., posted by Jeroen on December 16, 2004, at 14:27:53
I'm 21 too, and have been suicidal for quite a while. In my mind you need less antipsychotic and more antidepressant. It seems you have psychotic depression, and antipsychotics alone won't help this. I would try, 20mg of the antidepressant (citalopram??) With 15mg (or less) of the zyprexa.
I was diagnosed with psychotic depression too, but I do know that too much antipsychotic will seriously worsen the depression. 10mg of zyprexa seriously brought me down, I had to lessen it to 5mg to make it through the day.
Good, luck.
P.S. where do you live??
Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk on December 16, 2004, at 15:41:10
In reply to Re: im thinking of my TD, EYES BLINKING..., posted by linkadge on December 16, 2004, at 14:49:31
Jeroen is from Belgium. Sipralexa is escitalopram (Lexapro). I think it sounds like a good choice.
Ed.
Posted by linkadge on December 16, 2004, at 16:00:54
In reply to Re: Jeroen and Sipralexa, posted by ed_uk on December 16, 2004, at 15:41:10
It does sound like a good choice. Celexa, and lexapro are very clean and often do well in depression with psychosis.
I would still watch the zyprexa dose. Although it can help some symptoms of depression, it is not itself an antidepressant.
Linakdge
Posted by JACJ on December 16, 2004, at 18:01:52
In reply to Re: Jeroen and Sipralexa, posted by linkadge on December 16, 2004, at 16:00:54
If you have TD you should be discontinuing the AP drug and try other alternatives. Why do they still have you on them? I am so sorry you feel suicidal. I know exactly how you feel. Please come here for support and we will help you.
Posted by Sebastian on December 16, 2004, at 18:55:42
In reply to im thinking of my TD, EYES BLINKING..., posted by Jeroen on December 16, 2004, at 14:27:53
Man you need to load up on any meds that work. Lots of them. You will feel better, I swear. Why would you want death. I don't belive in religion much. By I don't want to be dead. I don't think god wants you dead. I think you hate your life so much that you would die to think you won't feel bad any more. But if you belive in god, he would not want you dead. Talk to a preist or something see what they say.
Posted by Sebastian on December 16, 2004, at 18:58:18
In reply to Get off the AP, posted by JACJ on December 16, 2004, at 18:01:52
Posted by linkadge on December 16, 2004, at 19:23:24
In reply to Sorry about the title, my pass word manager did it (nm), posted by Sebastian on December 16, 2004, at 18:58:18
I think the same thing, God wants me dead. My doctor told me its a temporal lobe thing. (whatever that means) It is strange, you feel so crappy and suicidal and yet so angry, cause you know a God exists, and you know he's just sittin' around not lifting a finger.
Regardless of that, the truth is that you can feel better. You are very depressed and when you are in that much pain the brain will make up all sorts of things to explain it. 30mg of zyprexa is not going to help the picture. That is 3 times the dose many people use for raving psychotics. I don't think this is where you are, but I do know an AD could help.
Linkadge
Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 6:18:02
In reply to Re: Sorry about the title, my pass word manager did it, posted by linkadge on December 16, 2004, at 19:23:24
Hello Jeroen,
Since your blinking got worse when you took Akineton (an anti-cholinergic) you might be helped by donepezil (a drug which increases the amount of acetylcholine- it could have the opposite effect to Akineton).
Donepezil can be a useful treatment for tardive dyskinesia. Recently, a little study reported that 9 out of 10 people with TD who were treated with donepezil improved. The brand name for donepezil is Aricept, it is used as a treatment for Alzheimer's disease. You could ask your doctor about Aricept.
Best Wishes,
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 6:51:45
In reply to A treatment that might help Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 6:18:02
Hi again,
From the article posted by lostforwards... 'Fatigue, anxiety, work, and light exacerbate tardive blepharospasm, while rest and sleep relieve it.'
You could take Sipralexa to treat your depression and anxiety. If you can't sleep, your doctor could prescribe something to help. Also, you could wear sunglasses to protect your eyes from the light.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 7:33:42
In reply to A treatment that might help Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 6:18:02
thanks for your help you guys!
Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 7:57:15
In reply to Re: A treatment that might help Jeroen, posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 7:33:42
Hi,
It's great to hear you sounding more positive! Have you decided what you are going to do?
Sipralexa? Donepezil? Ask about Leponex? Amantadine? Wait and see what happens? Sunglasses?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 8:01:49
In reply to Re: Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 7:57:15
im going to combat my problem with, ZYPREXA 20 mg, AMANTADINE, VITAMINE E, B6, SIPRALEXA
also sun glasses
Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 8:24:52
In reply to Re: Jeroen, posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 8:01:49
Hi,
I'm glad you've made a decision, you sound more positive. Do you think that you really need the Zyprexa? There might be a better chance of complete recovery from the blepharospasm without it.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 9:12:23
In reply to Re: Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 8:24:52
zyprexa can it fix the problem?, what if the geodon caused neurological damage
Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 9:42:20
In reply to Re: Jeroen, posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 9:12:23
Hi Jeroen,
I think that the Vitamin E, Vitamin B6, and amantadine could help. The sunglasses will protect your eyes from the light and make you more comfortable. The Sipralexa should reduce your depression and anxiety.
I don't think Zyprexa will help your blepharospasm. Remember, Zyprexa is an antipsychotic which occasionally causes tardive dyskinesia. Zyprexa is probably just as likely to cause TD as Geodon. Don't take any antipsychotics unless your psychiatrist thinks that you really need them.Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 11:58:21
In reply to Re: Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 9:42:20
hi, i have a question about vitamin E is it safe to take 1600 MG a day, on each package it sais in IU not MG but im unsure of my calculations,
each vitamine E pill is 250 IU so how much should i take for 1600 MG?
i hope you can help me thanks!
International Units (IU) are an old terminology used to state the potency of vitamins A, D and E before vitamins were manufactured in a pure enough form to be measured by weight.One IU of Vitamin A = 0.3 micrograms
One IU of Vitamin D = 0.025 micrograms
One IU of Vitamin E = 0.67 milligrams
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 19:40:33
In reply to TO ED UK, posted by Jeroen on December 17, 2004, at 11:58:21
> International Units (IU) are an old terminology used to state the potency of vitamins A, D and E...
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding vitamins to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20041212/msgs/430827.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by linkadge on December 18, 2004, at 9:51:50
In reply to Redirect: vitamins, posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 19:40:33
I agree, don't take the zyprexa unless you need it. It won't reverse any problems caused by geodon. You need to get your mood under control first.
You are young, and I would suspect that exercise, time, and as few meds that exasperate the problem, would really help.
Linkadge
Posted by Jeroen on December 18, 2004, at 10:19:55
In reply to Re: Redirect: vitamins, posted by linkadge on December 18, 2004, at 9:51:50
WHY CANT ZYPREXA FIX THESE PROBLEMS YOU THINK???
Posted by ed_uk on December 18, 2004, at 10:58:00
In reply to WHY CANT ZYPREXA FIX THESE PROBLEMS??, posted by Jeroen on December 18, 2004, at 10:19:55
Hi Jeroen,
Like Geodon, Zyprexa is an antipsychotic which can cause tardive dyskinesia. Clozapine is rather different because it can reduce the symptoms of TD without exacerbating the underlying condition. Hopefully, amantadine and vitamin E will treat your blepharospasm and the Sipralexa will reduce your depression and anxiety.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on December 18, 2004, at 11:20:21
In reply to Re: WHY CANT ZYPREXA FIX THESE PROBLEMS??, posted by ed_uk on December 18, 2004, at 10:58:00
i hope it yes, but i still hope zyprexa can fix it
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