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Posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 15:05:50
Hello. I have tried at times both Xanax and Klonopin for Social Anxiety. Both can calm me down. But I experience that Xanax is more pro-social than Klonopin. I mean the Klonopin helps the anxiety but at the same time makes me less interested in socializing, while Xanax is more activating.
With Xanax I am both calmed down and energized to interact with others. It's like Klonopin has an overall depressive effect, while Xanax is more specific in its action.
Have you experienced the same with these two?!
Thanks,
Kristel.
Posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:00:33
In reply to Xanax pro social while klonopin not?!, posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 15:05:50
> Hello. I have tried at times both Xanax and Klonopin for Social Anxiety. Both can calm me down. But I experience that Xanax is more pro-social than Klonopin. I mean the Klonopin helps the anxiety but at the same time makes me less interested in socializing, while Xanax is more activating.
>
> With Xanax I am both calmed down and energized to interact with others. It's like Klonopin has an overall depressive effect, while Xanax is more specific in its action.
>
> Have you experienced the same with these two?!I have the *EXACT* same effects from Xanax/Klonopin. Xanax is pro-social.
Take care,
Brad
Posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 16:07:34
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » Kristel, posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:00:33
Hi Brad!
What doses of Xanax/Klonopin you found helpful?!
Have you felt less sedation and cognitive imapairment with Xanax than Klonopin?!
Thanx:)
Posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:18:41
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?!, posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 16:07:34
> Hi Brad!
Hello!
> What doses of Xanax/Klonopin you found helpful?!
For anxiety:
Klonopin 2mg
Xanax 1.5mgFor pro-sociability:
Xanax 2mg
> Have you felt less sedation and cognitive imapairment with Xanax than Klonopin?!I felt slightly less sedated with klonopin at the beginning.
Posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:20:42
In reply to Xanax pro social while klonopin not?!, posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 15:05:50
Xanax is a triazolobenzodiazepine, Klonopin and most benzodizepines are not. This is likely why most people would agree with you on the pro-social effects. One interesting thing is that all triazolobenzodizapines have short half lives...
Now, if there were a long-acting one, that would be cool. Xanax XR doesnt count by the way!
Posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:26:06
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » Kristel, posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:20:42
> Now, if there were a long-acting one, that would be cool. Xanax XR doesnt count by the way!True.
But there is Lyrica (pregabalin) coming on the market soon, and it supposedly helps with anxiety (social) a lot and is not addictive.
Posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:54:08
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » jlbl2l, posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:26:06
LOL!
I am on Lyrica right now. It is awesome. You should read some of my eariler posts on it.
Posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 16:56:24
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » Kristel, posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:20:42
> Xanax is a triazolobenzodiazepine, Klonopin and most benzodizepines are not. This is likely why most people would agree with you on the pro-social effects. One interesting thing is that all triazolobenzodizapines have short half lives...
>
> Now, if there were a long-acting one, that would be cool. Xanax XR doesnt count by the way!
>
>Why Xanax XR won't count?!
I might get 3mg Xanax XR tablets next monday from my doctor (to take on morning). Do you mean that it lasts for only short time? I might add 0.5mg XR on afternoon to keep conctant plasma concentrations. Any ideas?!
Posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:59:36
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » BradD, posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:54:08
> LOL!
>
> I am on Lyrica right now. It is awesome. You should read some of my eariler posts on it.
Are you from Europe?
How much does Lyrica cost per month?
Is it really that good for social-anxiety?
I mean, compared to alcohol - how good it is? Does it make you pro-social? Any side-effects?Take care,
Brad
Posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 17:00:45
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » BradD, posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:54:08
Do you think that say 300mg /day of Lyrica would be effective? equivalent to 2mg Klonopin or 3-4mg Xanax?!
And as I understand, Lyrica works within an hour?!
Posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 17:16:15
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » BradD, posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 16:54:08
> LOL!
>
> I am on Lyrica right now. It is awesome. You should read some of my eariler posts on it.Also... Do you think that it can be used on an as-needed basis?
What dose of Lyrica you find awesome if you don't mind me asking ? :)
Posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 19:01:33
In reply to Lyrica » jlbl2l, posted by BradD on October 27, 2004, at 16:59:36
scroll back thrugh the last couple weeks, i answered all the questions you asked
Posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 19:05:03
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » jlbl2l, posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 16:56:24
Xanax XR 2mg isnt equivalent to a 2mg Xanax basically, its weaker. It is released in pulsed doses , when it breaks down. It isn't an actual benzo that is a long half life. Its just the pills technology that allows it to work that way, and it isnt even as effective as a normal xanax.
Posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 19:08:50
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » jlbl2l, posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 17:00:45
It is difficult to make an absolute comparison to Klonopin or Xanax, though Lyrica is slightly similar to a benzo, but not really. It feels much different, hard to explain, but my head feels like its getting a headache or like its compressed, but then i feel great, happy and pro social. Its just a very strange medicine.
I use 600mg daily. I can't say for sure what will be effective for anyone else. I felt very drunk and messed up when i first used it. Sometimes i still feel that way! woo!
Posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 19:11:55
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » jlbl2l, posted by Kristel on October 27, 2004, at 17:16:15
Defintely can be used as needed! Kicks in about 1 hour from taking it, and it just gets better and better from there. It lasts A LONG TIME, far longer than a benzo. One dose lasts me all day, from the morning.
I find 600mg in the morning all at once or more awesome. Anything less (except when i first started) wasn't as cool for me. I am sure its different for everyone though.
Lyrica feels like GHB or XTC sometimes.
Posted by Kristel on October 28, 2004, at 0:50:56
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » Kristel, posted by jlbl2l on October 27, 2004, at 19:11:55
> Defintely can be used as needed! Kicks in about 1 hour from taking it, and it just gets better and better from there. It lasts A LONG TIME, far longer than a benzo. One dose lasts me all day, from the morning.
>
> I find 600mg in the morning all at once or more awesome. Anything less (except when i first started) wasn't as cool for me. I am sure its different for everyone though.
>
> Lyrica feels like GHB or XTC sometimes.Thanks for replying jlbl2l !
Still wondering, do you feel that Lyrica impairs you cognitively? memory problems, concentration difficulties? slows you intellectually?
Thanks.
Kristel.
Posted by jlbl2l on October 28, 2004, at 3:59:49
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » jlbl2l, posted by Kristel on October 28, 2004, at 0:50:56
No intellectual slowdown noticed, nope, not like a benzo. No memeory impairment.
Posted by Kristel on October 28, 2004, at 9:51:21
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » Kristel, posted by jlbl2l on October 28, 2004, at 3:59:49
> No intellectual slowdown noticed, nope, not like a benzo. No memeory impairment.
Boy this looks REALLY like a miracle drug. I wanna try it NOW! I will see my doctor on Monday.
I tried some Xanax today but it also causes concentration problems and it makes me depressed. I already have some sort of mild depression and it doesn't take a benzo much to aggravate it.
Not sure if it would help to take Lexapro / Edronax (the europian Strattera) combo along with Xanax XR to prevent the concentration/depression side effects. Any thoughts maybe?!
It might be that tolerance to Klonopin/Xanax's memeory and cognitive problems develop over time. I have read that some place. Any ideas?
I might be just the next person on the board to post about the WONDERFUL Lyrica:)
But still wondering what dose of Klonopin/Xanax you been trying in the past?! And is you social anxiety charactarized by physical symptoms?!
I have no whatsoever physical symptoms. It's just that I am SOO inhibited around people. I just can't think of anything to say at all. And people on the bus, street, school or just about any place stress me out! The very simple things people take for granted are just HUGELY difficult to me.
How would you descripe your social anxiety if you don't minf me asking?!
Thanks for all of your replies so far :)
Kristel.
Posted by pseudonym on October 28, 2004, at 12:15:30
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?!, posted by Kristel on October 28, 2004, at 9:51:21
You're not kidding about pregabalin. I am going to attempt to get my doctor to import some from Europe so I can trial it. And I won't be the first, other studies have indicated positive outcomes for social anxiety.
I tried Cymbalta, which basically eliminates depression, but also eliminates what I would call spark. Now I'm using selegiline+DLPA which is superior to Cymbalta in that regard. However, pregabalin, which I believe was invented 16 years ago, and is only now being released in some markets, could be the answer for my social anxiety.
Posted by jlbl2l on October 28, 2004, at 13:20:09
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?! » Kristel, posted by pseudonym on October 28, 2004, at 12:15:30
To use the highest dose....all at once. Start out slow, however..
I use 600mg in the morning, it lasts all day.
Lower doses just dont work.
BTW Lyrica is approved int he USA, its just not on the market yet. If you ask your doctor for it, just have him write a prescription and use an online pharmacy in the UK.
Posted by jlbl2l on October 28, 2004, at 13:21:49
In reply to Re: Xanax pro social while klonopin not?!, posted by Kristel on October 28, 2004, at 9:51:21
My ocial anxiety is pretty bad. I have no friends, no life, nothing, i fear talking to everyone.
Well, now I dont, i talk like crazy and everyone gets angry...at my job...
Ive had it almost my entire life, I am 22 now.
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