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Posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 22:13:21
dopamine reptake inhibitor............
same as wellbutrin but stronger........
maybe it is.............
let's get some awnsers.........
Posted by Sad Panda on June 28, 2004, at 23:03:16
In reply to Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 22:13:21
Short term, yes. Long term, no. Tolerance builds too rapidly for the mood lifting component of stimulants, much like using Benzos for sleep.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 23:09:14
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by Sad Panda on June 28, 2004, at 23:03:16
Panda i see you on here all the time, your commited, thanks.
Anyways, is there anyway possible to stop tolerance, like take breaks? or take l-tyrosine?
I take dexedrine, for my add, i only 10mg now, but i used to take 40mg and it raised my mood and concentration everytime. Do ALL classes of stimulants have tolerance envolved?
Anyways, just like your advice.
Man your were realy tearing into that Desoxyn post, good job. That post is soo long i dont think it is ever going to stop.
Later
Posted by linkadge on June 29, 2004, at 8:16:26
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 23:09:14
Some recend research on Ritalin which shows why it is oftentimes more effective than other stimulants says, that ritalin tends to be more calming than the other stimulants. Ritalin has effects on serotonin, it increases serotonin in certain areas of the brain. No tollerance to the calming effect of ritalin is noted over the years in kids with ADHD
I would assume that ritalin would be a ideal antidepressant. I took it for a while last year and it completely substituted for celexa. At first it made me feel a little high which did wear off, but certain core components of my depression such as sleep disturbance, eating, anxiety and motivation remained improved the whole time I was on it. I do think it does have antidepressant effects, some of which do last the entire duration of treatemnt.
Linkadge
Posted by h on June 29, 2004, at 15:56:33
In reply to Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 22:13:21
Ritalin for me acted as an anti-depressant. But I developed a tolerance very quickly. I couldn't just take two a day and feel good. I'd enjoy the initial calming high, and the ability to focus. Then shortly after the crash would come. Soon I realized I had to take two or three to get the feeling I used to get from one. And the crash was SO miserable. It may work better for ADD kids than it does for depressed adults. But now I know they have time-release versions of ritalin. I'd try one of those first. Also Concerta and Strattera are supposed to be Ritalin like, only without the high and the crash. Check 'em out.
best to you.
Posted by Sad Panda on June 30, 2004, at 3:44:27
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 23:09:14
> Panda i see you on here all the time, your commited, thanks.
>
> Anyways, is there anyway possible to stop tolerance, like take breaks? or take l-tyrosine?
>
> I take dexedrine, for my add, i only 10mg now, but i used to take 40mg and it raised my mood and concentration everytime. Do ALL classes of stimulants have tolerance envolved?
>
> Anyways, just like your advice.
>
> Man your were realy tearing into that Desoxyn post, good job. That post is soo long i dont think it is ever going to stop.
>
> Later
>:)
I'm fairly weak on stimulant knowledge, post a message to 'Ame Sans Vie', he is one of the ADD suferers with long term stimulant experience. I think he takes DXM with his stimulants.
Alternatively, since you suffered some psychosis to dexedrine (I think?) you might like to look at Strattera, or one of the old/cheap stimulating TCA's such as Desipramine or Nortriptyline.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by paulbwell on June 30, 2004, at 4:25:30
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on June 28, 2004, at 23:09:14
> Panda i see you on here all the time, your commited, thanks.
>
> Anyways, is there anyway possible to stop tolerance, like take breaks? or take l-tyrosine?
>
> I take dexedrine, for my add, i only 10mg now, but i used to take 40mg and it raised my mood and concentration everytime. Do ALL classes of stimulants have tolerance envolved?
>
> Anyways, just like your advice.
>
> Man your were realy tearing into that Desoxyn post, good job. That post is soo long i dont think it is ever going to stop.
>
> LaterHi Monroe, do you notice increased heart rate/palpitations or other peripharal side effects from Dex
Any Feedback appreciated
Posted by 1980Monroe on June 30, 2004, at 10:45:11
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by paulbwell on June 30, 2004, at 4:25:30
Not signifcantly like adderall......
but still at higher doses like 50mg, or maybe 40 thats when it starts to pick up a bit.
I've tooken dex for 4 yrs. My friend takes Desoxyn which i've tried too, its a bit more unique than dexedrine, more stimulation, feels less rough, better feeling of well-being.
Matt
Posted by paulbwell on July 3, 2004, at 6:53:23
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on June 30, 2004, at 10:45:11
> Not signifcantly like adderall......
>
> but still at higher doses like 50mg, or maybe 40 thats when it starts to pick up a bit.
>
> I've tooken dex for 4 yrs. My friend takes Desoxyn which i've tried too, its a bit more unique than dexedrine, more stimulation, feels less rough, better feeling of well-being.
>
> MattThanks
Better feeling of well being?
Less rough? I thought Dex was smoothhhhhhhh
would these differences motivate you to change to Desoxyn?
what doses of your friends Desoxyn have you taken?
have you taken Ritalin?
what are the differences?Thanks Matt
Posted by 1980Monroe on July 3, 2004, at 13:15:38
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant? » 1980Monroe, posted by paulbwell on July 3, 2004, at 6:53:23
Well i should have said adderall was the more rough one, adderall feels like dexedrine combined with caffine, because of the I-isomer which isnt really psychologically active, its mostly just effects respitory stimualtion, and heart beat, thats what i mean by rough, not rough like you just got hit by a train or anything....
If i really think about it, mmm, desoxyn is just dexamphetamine with a methyl ring added to it, which is now methamphetamine. Both dex and desoxyn have the same actions, but desoxyn is basically more potent generally.
When i take my dexedrine, ill usally feel it kicking in fairly moderatly, it's fairly smooth. when i take my friends desoxyn i feel it kicking in stronger, more like a feeling of a charge. But its also smooth even thought its more potent, i agree there both smooth, but desoxyn is the better choice. I tried 40mg of Desoxyn and Dexedrine when comparing them.
Reason being im just staying on dex is it wold take a while to switch to desoxyn, and second, i would definetly abuse it more.
I havent tooken Ritilin since the 7th grade, ritilin gave me that horrible zombie side effect. I took 20mg i think but its been a while back....
But still i've heard from the crowd it mimics similar amphetamine effects at higher doses.Do you take desoxyn?
Well hope you enjoyed the info...anytime
Matt
Posted by paulbwell on July 3, 2004, at 21:05:02
In reply to Re: Is Ritilin a anti-depressant?, posted by 1980Monroe on July 3, 2004, at 13:15:38
> Well i should have said adderall was the more rough one, adderall feels like dexedrine combined with caffine, because of the I-isomer which isnt really psychologically active, its mostly just effects respitory stimualtion, and heart beat, thats what i mean by rough, not rough like you just got hit by a train or anything....
>
> If i really think about it, mmm, desoxyn is just dexamphetamine with a methyl ring added to it, which is now methamphetamine. Both dex and desoxyn have the same actions, but desoxyn is basically more potent generally.
>
> When i take my dexedrine, ill usally feel it kicking in fairly moderatly, it's fairly smooth. when i take my friends desoxyn i feel it kicking in stronger, more like a feeling of a charge. But its also smooth even thought its more potent, i agree there both smooth, but desoxyn is the better choice. I tried 40mg of Desoxyn and Dexedrine when comparing them.
>
> Reason being im just staying on dex is it wold take a while to switch to desoxyn, and second, i would definetly abuse it more.
>
> I havent tooken Ritilin since the 7th grade, ritilin gave me that horrible zombie side effect. I took 20mg i think but its been a while back....
> But still i've heard from the crowd it mimics similar amphetamine effects at higher doses.
>
> Do you take desoxyn?
>
> Well hope you enjoyed the info...anytime
>
> MattWell you make me wanna try Dex for my motivation attention/ issues. it sounds better. I have just taken a week off from Rit and feel sluggush, but i felt that on it too, as well as other side effects, after taking it for a while. Maybe iv 'served my time on Rit' and should try Dex. We'll see, if the Doc I see follows, Its up to them unfortunately. This isn't Mexico where you can just go to the local 'Farmacia' and buy any medicine you want, sans Gov't control.
Have Fun
Paul
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