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Posted by eugenia on March 27, 2004, at 7:15:46
I'll try to make this succinct. Years ago went through Adderral hell, as in I wanted more and more and more until I ended up in the ER vomiting. Stopped and never wanted to take it again--after getting over euphoric recall, though vomiting is a lovely behavioral modification tool. Now, to combat some day time sleepiness and ADD which may be related to multiple sclerosis I was prescribed Provigil. I love it, but I am terrified that it is addictive. I just think about it too much. I know it is not physiologically addictive, but neither is cocaine. It's the crash I fear having for many years suffered from depression. I would love to know others experiences with this drug and its abuse potential.
Thanks
Posted by francesco on March 27, 2004, at 12:52:37
In reply to provigil addiction, posted by eugenia on March 27, 2004, at 7:15:46
> I'll try to make this succinct. Years ago went through Adderral hell, as in I wanted more and more and more until I ended up in the ER vomiting. Stopped and never wanted to take it again--after getting over euphoric recall, though vomiting is a lovely behavioral modification tool. Now, to combat some day time sleepiness and ADD which may be related to multiple sclerosis I was prescribed Provigil. I love it, but I am terrified that it is addictive. I just think about it too much. I know it is not physiologically addictive, but neither is cocaine. It's the crash I fear having for many years suffered from depression. I would love to know others experiences with this drug and its abuse potential.
> ThanksI don't know how to help you with Provigil, I've never tried and I'd like to do it, but I have a question for you if you don't mind. How did you get the idea of having multiple sceloris ? I'm asking because I have daytime sleepiness and ADD and I must admit I thought to have something physical. Is it just an idea of your or you got a neurological examination ?
Posted by PsychoSage on March 27, 2004, at 13:38:15
In reply to Re: provigil addiction » eugenia, posted by francesco on March 27, 2004, at 12:52:37
> > I'll try to make this succinct. Years ago went through Adderral hell, as in I wanted more and more and more until I ended up in the ER vomiting. Stopped and never wanted to take it again--after getting over euphoric recall, though vomiting is a lovely behavioral modification tool. Now, to combat some day time sleepiness and ADD which may be related to multiple sclerosis I was prescribed Provigil. I love it, but I am terrified that it is addictive. I just think about it too much. I know it is not physiologically addictive, but neither is cocaine. It's the crash I fear having for many years suffered from depression. I would love to know others experiences with this drug and its abuse potential.
> > Thanks
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> I don't know how to help you with Provigil, I've never tried and I'd like to do it, but I have a question for you if you don't mind. How did you get the idea of having multiple sceloris ? I'm asking because I have daytime sleepiness and ADD and I must admit I thought to have something physical. Is it just an idea of your or you got a neurological examination ?
>you love the idea of the drug more than the total experience and truth about stimulants. I know stimulant addiction.
I am on provigil too, and i am being monitored carefully while on it. It's the only stim option I have, and I don't think I cleaned up to go nuts over a half-baked stimulant.
The obsession for many things is like a frenetic, manic energy that would exist without the drug and probably finds other targets.
Don't think of the drug as a pleasure source or your crutch. If you can emotionally and psychologically say and think honestly that you can live without provigil then that is a good sign.
There are other aberrant drug behaviors for script abusers.
Search aberrant drug behaviors online.
DO you horde? Do you take more than you are directed? DO you script shop? Do you borrow other's drugs?
Unfortunately, your bubble will burst one day about provigil.
It can be reinforcingand addictive. Don't trick yourself because it's a lower scheduled controlled drug.
The more this is a secret ordeal, the more anxiety and inner turmoil it will cause you.
My therapist likened it to a drudge work drug.
Psychosis and rage are consequences of abusing this or being on a dose that is too high. You can have those problems if you are on the manic/psychotic end of things too. My pdoc told me this.
Good luck, and look further into getting assistance for your issues from professional help and otherwise if appropriate.
Posted by eugenia on March 27, 2004, at 19:01:12
In reply to Re: provigil addiction IS BAD, posted by PsychoSage on March 27, 2004, at 13:38:15
Thank you so much for the reality check. I know that I can become psychologically addicted to anything and I was becoming obsessed with using Provigil and with not using Provigil. It just isn't worth it for the low pay off I get from that drug--and the ocassional panic attack. Unfortunately, it's easy for doctors', even compassionate ones, to scoff at the idea of having a terrible pull towards such a "non-addictive" drug. So, no more Provigil for me.
Posted by eugenia on March 27, 2004, at 19:17:31
In reply to Re: provigil addiction » eugenia, posted by francesco on March 27, 2004, at 12:52:37
> > I'll try to make this succinct. Years ago went through Adderral hell, as in I wanted more and more and more until I ended up in the ER vomiting. Stopped and never wanted to take it again--after getting over euphoric recall, though vomiting is a lovely behavioral modification tool. Now, to combat some day time sleepiness and ADD which may be related to multiple sclerosis I was prescribed Provigil. I love it, but I am terrified that it is addictive. I just think about it too much. I know it is not physiologically addictive, but neither is cocaine. It's the crash I fear having for many years suffered from depression. I would love to know others experiences with this drug and its abuse potential.
> > Thanks
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> I don't know how to help you with Provigil, I've never tried and I'd like to do it, but I have a question for you if you don't mind. How did you get the idea of having multiple sceloris ? I'm asking because I have daytime sleepiness and ADD and I must admit I thought to have something physical. Is it just an idea of your or you got a neurological examination ?I was given an MRI of my brain which showed multiple hyperintensities especially along the corpus callosum. Have experienced episodes of numbness and tingling and now my right side is weak so I can't run like I so love to do. I was actually given an official diagnosis by a neurologist just a few weeks ago--my birthday weekend as a matter of fact. Scary, but I will get a second opinion. Strangely, I am now taking injections of a drug called Copaxone which is a synthetic polypeptide that breaks down into four amino acids. Although it is just suppoused to prevent future inflamation, it seems to make me calmer. If you think you have MS you should see a neurologist and get a thorough exam, but symptoms are more than just tiredness. A common early manifestation is optic neuritis or other problems with vision.
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Posted by PsychoSage on March 28, 2004, at 0:25:09
In reply to Re: provigil addiction and MS, posted by eugenia on March 27, 2004, at 19:17:31
well, good luck with yourself. You sound like you have a troubling situation that is ongoing at the moment.
If you are having energy trouble, then perhaps a stimulant like provigil can be beneificial, but you know that it should be a tool for life. The drug is for your benefit. It should not be a liability to your mental and physical health. Otherwise, you can discuss your concerns with your doctor in more depth. You can be confused and perplexed and bring that to your doctor, and if he or she is not qualified to cover all of your issues then try an addiction medicine specialist or whomever.
You sound a little guilty, so I did not mean to chastize you. I have had similar obsessive and fantastic thoughts myself, so my message was like warning myself too.
Of course such drug behavior or obsession can point to undertreated pain. Therefore, you may need specific drug treatment to compensate for an underlying disorder {mental or phys} that you don't understand fully.
Hang in there, and don't trick yourself in thinking you are bad for wanting to feel better. The bad part is having distortions about how we can feel and get better. The desire to feel better, even if it comes out in obsessive behavior or thoughts that are embarrassing, is nothing to be ashamed about to yourself and those who help your medical conditions.
Good luck again!
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