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Posted by francesco on March 25, 2004, at 16:31:17
Ok, I'm just 28.
Posted by harryp on March 25, 2004, at 23:18:19
In reply to why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs ?, posted by francesco on March 25, 2004, at 16:31:17
> Ok, I'm just 28.
depending on the AD, I can relate to the old part.
Wisdom is a side effect I haven't experienced yet, though. What are you taking?
Posted by francesco on March 26, 2004, at 6:54:38
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs, posted by harryp on March 25, 2004, at 23:18:19
> depending on the AD, I can relate to the old part.
>
> Wisdom is a side effect I haven't experienced yet, though. What are you taking?I'm on the second day of Zoloft 25mg. It's not awful but not nice. I feel a bit stoned and I'm concerned about the 'I don't care' effect that I usually feel when I'm on meds. They call it 'lessening of anxiety' I suppose. But my language abilities dramatically improved from the very first day (yesterday), and who knows what the hell happens between my ears ? What did you take (are you taking) ?
Posted by linkadge on March 26, 2004, at 11:56:37
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs » harryp, posted by francesco on March 26, 2004, at 6:54:38
I have noticed that on both Celexa and Effexor. I feel so wise. *Not smart*, but just wise, as If I can see the true reason for the way things are.
Weird
Linkadge
Posted by harryp on March 26, 2004, at 19:41:11
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs » harryp, posted by francesco on March 26, 2004, at 6:54:38
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> > depending on the AD, I can relate to the old part.
> >
> > Wisdom is a side effect I haven't experienced yet, though. What are you taking?
>
> I'm on the second day of Zoloft 25mg. It's not awful but not nice. I feel a bit stoned and I'm concerned about the 'I don't care' effect that I usually feel when I'm on meds. They call it 'lessening of anxiety' I suppose. But my language abilities dramatically improved from the very first day (yesterday), and who knows what the hell happens between my ears ? What did you take (are you taking) ?
>I'm glad you're getting an improvement. Hopefully the stoned effect will wear off. I've tried nearly everything except TCA's, and Parnate is the first drug with tolerable (almost no) side effects that really helps to control my depression.
Posted by francesco on March 26, 2004, at 20:37:57
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs » francesco, posted by harryp on March 26, 2004, at 19:41:11
I would like to try Parnate but here is not available. I tried Parmodalin, an italian compound that mixes Stelazine and Parnate. I had to quit it after five days since I get very confused, which I attributed to the antipsychotic. I have been depressed for 6 weeks after this trial, a very sad story.
You're lucky that you can try MAOIs, every MAOI's user seem to be enthusiastic about it (and they are the only antidepressants that can make undepressed people euphoric). In this stupid country we have no RIMA, no stimulants, no dopaminergic meds at all !!! The most dopaminergic thing available is Zoloft : o
Posted by Camille Dumont on March 27, 2004, at 21:01:10
In reply to why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs ?, posted by francesco on March 25, 2004, at 16:31:17
I can somewhat relate ... I feel as though the Effexor + Celexa sort of numb my emotions ... I don't feel pain as much, sadness as much ... but neither do I feel joy as much.
I find myself in a sort of neutral ground of emotions and it take a heck of a lot to get me to move from that comfortable spot.
So much so that my boss has often told me that I seemed to have such good control of my emotions ... like I don't show anger and I'm always calm, almost zen-like.
If only he knew what the real me is like. The meds have made me less "involved" in my emotions ...
Posted by francesco on March 28, 2004, at 7:02:15
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs ?, posted by Camille Dumont on March 27, 2004, at 21:01:10
> I can somewhat relate ... I feel as though the Effexor + Celexa sort of numb my emotions ... I don't feel pain as much, sadness as much ... but neither do I feel joy as much.
>
> I find myself in a sort of neutral ground of emotions and it take a heck of a lot to get me to move from that comfortable spot.
>
> So much so that my boss has often told me that I seemed to have such good control of my emotions ... like I don't show anger and I'm always calm, almost zen-like.
>
> If only he knew what the real me is like. The meds have made me less "involved" in my emotions ...Hi Camille,
your post made me think.
It seems to me that you don't seem to regret your emotions too much. This was a common side-effect in the long term for me. I just didn't remember how I used to be before, so I had nothing to miss, and I went on, because meds made me more efficient.
I have written this before, but 'lack of positive emotions like joy' should be a sign of depression, not a sign that depression has been cured. I'm just angry that there seems not to be an alternative between being depressed in one way and depressed in another.
Take Care
Posted by Camille Dumont on March 28, 2004, at 15:09:26
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs ? » Camille Dumont, posted by francesco on March 28, 2004, at 7:02:15
You read my post right. I don't think I regret them much ... or perhaps its because the only emotions I remember from before I took the meds were very very ugly.
Could be the "supposed" schizoid pd speaking ... although I'm more inclined to say that for me its just a personality thing ... not a disorder. I mean its not like I'm not functioning and what not. I have this intense fear of being dependent, of being trapped, at the mercy of others so the less I feel, the less it seems to me that they can have a hold onto me.
I have serious doubts about life in general ... the point of it and what not ... it seems to me that its just so pointless and so are emotions because in the end, do they really change anything? I guess you could say that the meds have turned me into a more efficient automaton ... sort of. I get broken less often ... but I don't feel like someone ... I still feel that I only exist out of routine and others' expectation.
Posted by francesco on March 28, 2004, at 15:43:43
In reply to Re: why do I feel an old wise man when I take ADs ?, posted by Camille Dumont on March 28, 2004, at 15:09:26
I see your point. Life is pointless. I do agree.
My modest purpose is (was) trying to live a normal life, like the one my other friends have. And I thought the meds could help me in this sense. They never did it in the last ten years. Is there another cocktail to try out there ? I think so. Would it make me feel 'normal' ? I doubt it. Sorry for ranting, I appreciated what you wrote.Francesco
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