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Posted by douglass on March 25, 2004, at 13:04:33
I have read with great diligence the old threads of Andrew, Peter et al from the 2000 archives and have found them quite informative. I also would like to give you my knowledge and experience of taking amineptine and give a new source of amineptine shipped here in USA so you could get it in a matter of a few days as opposed to weeks when we had to go off shore for it when it was still on the market.
Here's the URL for it xxx and to get abstract medical research done on amineptine, go here xxx there is a wealth of info. on this site.
Briefly here is a one paragraph summary of it's pharmacology;Substance identification
Amineptine (7-[(10,11-dihydro-5H-dibenzo[a,d]cyclohepten-5-yl)amino]heptanoic acid) is available as either the free base (CAS 57574-09-1) or as the hydrochloride salt (CAS 30272-08-3). There are no chiral carbon atoms, therefore, no stereoisomers or racemates are possible.Similarity to known substances and effects on the central nervous system
Amineptine is a synthetic, atypical tricyclic antidepressant with central nervous system stimulating effects. It is an indirect dopamine agonist, selectively inhibiting dopamine uptake and inducing dopamine release, with additional stimulation of the adrenergic system. Its antidepressant effects are similar to other tricyclic antidepressant drugs but it has a more rapid action, is better tolerated and has little cardiovascular, analgesic or anorectic effects. It produces a similar spectrum of pharmacological effects to psychomotor stimulants in Schedule II of the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances.
My past history with AD sounds much like what I've read so far from Andrew and Peter and others. I have tried most all AD and through doing my own research back in 1994 and before I found a drug made in France called "Miniaprine" which was a dopaminergic and some other actions I don't recall off hand as it's been so long. But that was my first introduction to dopamine type drugs for depression secondary to combat PTSD. It did nothing for the PTSD but it sure drove the depression back. Unfortunately I came at the end of the life of miniaprine as it was soon not lisenced for sale in France or anywhere in Europe and now I believe it's out of production all over the world. If any one knows where there is a source I would be very interested.
I then was put on tranclcypromine(parnate), an MAOI. Except for the side effects, it was the best AD to date. I found out I was anergic, anhedonic, psychomotor retardation and a severe lack of motivation. Before any drugs I was vegetatively depressed for almost 20years before I sought help.
The miniaprine got me started on a long search for dopaminergics for depression. I also got in the waning months of GHB and found that to be a most potent AD but the roller coaster ride made it impracticle to use as an ongoing AD, but the dopaminergic stimulation I got was tremendous. I could think productively,, my thoughts were so fast I couldn't keep up with them so I was using too much GHB so I cut it in half and got a better response. I was motivated, my sleep requirements were 5 hr.s/day and was motivated to do projects and got enjoyment out of them. I felt alive for the first time since I left Viet Nam(if you call living thru viet nam alive)Then it got pulled, so I tried GBL and got similar responses but soon all analogues of GHB were CI(except for research, there it was CIII)
I knew at this point in 1996 that I was a subset of depressants depleted of normal stores of Da, so my quest was to finddopmaminergics.
The parkinsons seemed a rich source, but the side effects were too much to handle. Sinemet made me nauseous ,I haven't tried pramipexole but it increases prolactin so that was out. There were a whole group likr ropinole, quinpirone, requip,sulpride, amisulpride and some others. I was ready to start my course of going down the list and giving each a trial as monotherapy to see if one would be right for me. It was also at this time I came upon xxx here I found amineptine and decided to try it. Only one place in the world that would sell it without an RX was xxx. One whole year I took 200mg daily and the efficacy stayed the same. There may have been some down regulation, but it wasn't noticeable to me. Then Argentina stopped selling it and back to searching. I found some drug stores in Greec, Spain Uraguay but all wanted RX and Dr's here can't write for an unapproved drug as the USA never did any studies with amineptine so never came up for approval.
Now there are some interested people who found a source of pharmaceutical grade amineptine by Servier of Brazil that are selling it from USA, so it onlt takes a few days to get here and is about $200/month supply. Provigil, which my Dr RXed to me, was almost $90 for 10 200mg tabs. Amineptine has no side effects at therapeutic levels and has all the positive effects you look for in an anti depressant.
If any one else out there has had experience with amineptine, I would like to hear from you and your experience on it and wher you get yours if you do buy any as I have done 2 years of intensive research and right now know of only one source.
It's amazing what one drug can do to get your life back.This drug may not be for any depressed person and may not work for you, but if your one of the ones it does work for, you can stop looking.
I would be very interested in hearing what Andrew or peter have to say if they still frequent this forum.
to happy hypomanic days
douglas
Posted by jodeye on March 25, 2004, at 14:52:48
In reply to AMINEPTINE(survector)new source, posted by douglass on March 25, 2004, at 13:04:33
Hi,
What does survectorsource amineptine look like?
What color is it? Any markings? Is it blister
packed? Does it come in an original box? Is it
just as effective as amineptine previously obtained elsewhere? Thanks.--Jay
Posted by PsychoSage on March 25, 2004, at 16:32:47
In reply to AMINEPTINE(survector)new source, posted by douglass on March 25, 2004, at 13:04:33
This is for douglass {who probably knows most of this} and others:
1) email sources are the worse for online meds. please be careful when promoting to others where you are supposed to - off this board.2) I am not Dr. Bob, but Dr. Bob will warn you about posting information about procuring online drugs. He may block out the address even though that one is accessible to many and not quite a secret webpage.
3) I am certain you can talk about unapproved foreign drugs here til your heart's content, but you have to talk about exactly where to purchase elsewhere.
4) Speaking of purchasing, Alertec through Canadian sources is $40-$60 for 30-- 100mg tabs. Alertec is brand name modafinil. I have never purchased alertec, but there are many pharmacies that will not send it to the US, and there are quite a few solid looking ones that will with a script only. I have asked specifically over email to some. Use google and you can do the sorting through websites yourself. Naturally, you can go to Canada, and that is the most reliable way to get your modafinil. The more bottles you buy online with a script, the cheaper the price becomes according to some websites, but they aren't explicit about it. Modafinil is price controlled in Canada at about $50 for 30 -100mg tabs. Bringing it back to the US in person is perfectly legal I believe if you follow certain restrictions. I hope I am right, and correct me if I am wrong. I am happy I have it covered by my insurance.
5) this is for your doctor for Provigil: http://www.provigil.com/physician/reimbursement/index.asp
6) this is for you: http://www.provigil.com/patient/reimbursement/index.asp
7) dopaminergics as you can see from that xxx website are not the total answer to your mental health ills as you probably know. just don't view them with the upper-downer model. That is a misleading way of thinking about these drugs.
It is possible to be dysphoric with lots of dopamine floating around.If you look closely on that xxx site you learn that dopamine is in a large way more about desire than pure pleasure. You still have to make your life happy and meet goals. Excess dopamine can make you psychotic and in a sense have too much desire.
8) provigil is great - use it wisely if you are doing it off-label. My pdoc and I have me on a low dose, and I started by chopping my pills up in tiny pieces.
9) you sound as hypo as I am sometimes. SLOW DOWN!! Helps others slow down too. hehehe
Posted by rod on March 25, 2004, at 17:21:46
In reply to AMINEPTINE(survector)new source, posted by douglass on March 25, 2004, at 13:04:33
I am wondering. A few days ago, a preson posted that she got totally different pills than the original ones, from the source you mention. And then, a few days after that, someone pops up the board, promoting this source, and calles it a "new" source... Is this a coincidence? Or are you the person behind this? You also only refer to the web sites from xxx. I guess xxx and the source have something to do with each other...
Just a few thoughtsAnd as a little "add-on", here is a link to a document, stating that amineptine was declared as a schedule II substance from the "Comission on Narcotic Drugs" of the United Nations (30. May 2003). I guess this affects all countries in the world.
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/document_2003-04-30_1.pdfRoland
Posted by iris2 on March 25, 2004, at 18:45:05
In reply to Re: AMINEPTINE(survector)new source » douglass, posted by rod on March 25, 2004, at 17:21:46
If you did not see I appologized for my inapropriate response to your email. I am not well and when I could not directly respond to you messed up. As a person who wants to be helpful if I can please let me know if you are still interested in it.
By the way I am the person who got totally different pills!
iris2
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2004, at 20:56:05
In reply to Re: AMINEPTINE(survector)new source - Provigil » douglass, posted by PsychoSage on March 25, 2004, at 16:32:47
> Here's the URL for it xxx and to get abstract medical research done on amineptine, go here xxx
>
> douglass> 7) dopaminergics as you can see from that xxx website are not the total answer to your mental health ills
>
> PsychoSage> Dr. Bob will warn you about posting information about procuring online drugs.
Right, for more information, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
BTW, this includes posting links to sites with links to sources. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by douglass on April 9, 2004, at 5:21:29
In reply to Re: AMINEPTINE(survector)new source » douglass, posted by rod on March 25, 2004, at 17:21:46
> I am wondering. A few days ago, a preson posted that she got totally different pills than the original ones, from the source you mention. And then, a few days after that, someone pops up the board, promoting this source, and calles it a "new" source... Is this a coincidence? Or are you the person behind this? You also only refer to the web sites from xxx. I guess xxx and the source have something to do with each other...
> Just a few thoughts> And as a little "add-on", here is a link to a document, stating that amineptine was declared as a schedule II substance from the "Comission on Narcotic Drugs" of the United Nations (30. May 2003). I guess this affects all countries in the world.
> http://www.unodc.org/pdf/document_2003-04-30_1.pdf
>
> Rolandyes, this is a coincidence. I know nothing of the other personclaiming a new source, and as far as I know the two sites mentioned have nothing to do with each other
>
as far as the document you produce, I am pretty sure that the UN sched II
recommendation has to be specifically adopted by
member countries for it to go into effect.
Posted by rod on April 9, 2004, at 5:40:22
In reply to Re: AMINEPTINE(survector)new source » rod, posted by douglass on April 9, 2004, at 5:21:29
> > I am wondering. A few days ago, a preson posted that she got totally different pills than the original ones, from the source you mention. And then, a few days after that, someone pops up the board, promoting this source, and calles it a "new" source... Is this a coincidence? Or are you the person behind this? You also only refer to the web sites from xxx. I guess xxx and the source have something to do with each other...
> > Just a few thoughts
>
> > And as a little "add-on", here is a link to a document, stating that amineptine was declared as a schedule II substance from the "Comission on Narcotic Drugs" of the United Nations (30. May 2003). I guess this affects all countries in the world.
> > http://www.unodc.org/pdf/document_2003-04-30_1.pdf
> >
> > Roland
>
> yes, this is a coincidence. I know nothing of the other personclaiming a new source, and as far as I know the two sites mentioned have nothing to do with each other
> >Ok. Then sorry for suspecting you.
> as far as the document you produce, I am pretty sure that the UN sched II
> recommendation has to be specifically adopted by
> member countries for it to go into effect.
>
>I also think so. And it seems like brasil adopted the recommendation, because I know of a brisilian online pharmacy, which tells one that its a controlled substance (If you click on the order button, you get a pop up window which informs you that it is a controlled substance which can not be ordered online).
Roland
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