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Posted by poochi on February 18, 2004, at 15:43:43
In reply to Re: Going off of Effexor: Attn 4peace, posted by jahmah on February 18, 2004, at 10:22:35
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, i keep going to one of these posts and then getting lost inthese message boards . My question is, is Fluoxertine addictive.? And, do you get the withdrawl effects trying to stop Fluoxertine that you get with Effexor? And, is Fluoxertine Prozac? Thanx.
Posted by Contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 15:55:38
In reply to new Question, posted by poochi on February 18, 2004, at 15:43:43
Fluoxetine is Prozac.
It is much easier to get off of Prozac in my experience.
Is it addictive? Depends how you define the term. It does cause withdrawals and when going through withdrawals one usually feels worse than they did before taking the drug in the first place. It certainly is not abusable which is one of the components of addiction. However, when going through witdrawals one mught have strong temptations to pop a Prozac to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms.
> I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, i keep going to one of these posts and then getting lost inthese message boards . My question is, is Fluoxertine addictive.? And, do you get the withdrawl effects trying to stop Fluoxertine that you get with Effexor? And, is Fluoxertine Prozac? Thanx.
Posted by poochi on February 18, 2004, at 16:34:07
In reply to Re: new Question, posted by Contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 15:55:38
thank you
Posted by Judie on February 18, 2004, at 16:39:57
In reply to Re: new Question, posted by Contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 15:55:38
I did not suffer any withdrawel symptoms when I quit taking Prozac, Paxil, Wellbutrin or Zoloft. 3 days off effexor and my head is throbbing and I'm still dizzy... but wouldn't call it addictive. I definitely don't want any more of it. I'm going to have a drink or two to ease the pain. Alcohol, on the other hand...
Posted by contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 19:38:20
In reply to Re: new Question, posted by Judie on February 18, 2004, at 16:39:57
Someone posted what I think to be very valuable info for getting off these meds:
"here's a weblink on SSRI withdrawal you might find interesting:
http://www.fpnotebook.com/PSY169.htmand here's the 'treatment' they recommend:
--------------------------
Management: Specific Withdrawal SymptomsCholinergic rebound symptoms (See above)
Atropine 0.8 mg PO tid to qid
Cogentin 0.5 to 4 mg PO qd
Artane 1-4 mg PO tid to qid
Donnatal 2 tablets PO tid-qidAnxiety
Lorazepam 0.5 to 1 mg PO tid prnDizziness
Antivert 12.5 to 25 mg PO q6 hours prn
Dramamine 50 mg PO q6 hours prn
---------------------huh well i got through on vicodin, marijuana, ambien, and the occassional
xanax. to each their own.you WILL get through!!!"
> I did not suffer any withdrawel symptoms when I quit taking Prozac, Paxil, Wellbutrin or Zoloft. 3 days off effexor and my head is throbbing and I'm still dizzy... but wouldn't call it addictive. I definitely don't want any more of it. I'm going to have a drink or two to ease the pain. Alcohol, on the other hand...
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:13:45
In reply to Re: Effexor XR Cocaine use ! (RESPONSE) » Doctor Feel Good, posted by Semi-conscious on February 18, 2004, at 3:34:59
> > Do NOT use cocaine. Effexor is the best antidepressant for people suffering from cocaine abuse, even a year after stopping it your brain wont be the same.
> > I'm a recovering addict to cocaine, meth, benzos, alcohol, ecstasy, basically everything. Do NOT use drugs if not prescribed to you. Oh yeah, you could have a seizure/stroke or worse mixing cocaine with an activating antidepressant like Effexor
> I'VE BEEN TAKING EFFEXOR SR 175MGS FOR OVER A YEAR. I'M STILL DEPRESED AND I HAVE GAINED SO MUCH WEIGHT I LOOK LIKE A PIG. I'M TIRED AND APATHETIC AND I USUALLY DON'T GET OFF THE COUCH FOR A WEEK AT A TIME. THE ONLY TIME I GET ANYTHING DONE OR EVEN BRUSH MY TEETH IS WHEN i USE METH AND THEN I DRINK A COUPLE VODKAS AND COKE IN THE EVENING, THEN I TAKE MY NIGHT TIME MEDS, ALL THREE OF THEM. THE ONLY REAL PROBLEM I CAN FORSEE OR HAVE HAD IS WITH MY LIVER CAUSE EFFEXOR IS A LITTLE HARD ON THE LIVER ANYWAY. I SELF-MEDICATE. I'M SO TIRED OF TRYING SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS AND GOING OFF OF ONE AND TRYING ANOTHER AND UPPING THE DOSAGES. I WANT RELIEF NOW. I KNOW IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST THING, BUT AS LONG AS I CAN AFFORD IT ($20) A DAY, I'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE. I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT OTHERS DO THIS, NOT EVERYONE CAN HANDLE IT LIKE I CAN.
>
>You must quit and possibly increase your effexor dosage. Cocaine may not make you hungry while intoxicated, but sooner or later you are going to pig out, maybe that's the cause of your weight gain. Please believe me when I say YOU HAVE A SERIOUS SUBSTANCE PROBLEM. You've tapped out your transmitters, therefore you are numb or very low to the world, a few sniffs with some booze fixes the problem immediately, but, I fear you don't realize how bad what you are doing is. I think you should goto a 30day detox program, where they can give you the proper meds for sleep, clean you out, and then you will realize how seriously deep in trouble you are currently in. Constant use doesnt allow your medication (effexor) to work. Please get help if not from Detox which I totally think would be good for you, then goto AA. Most people in AA are not only alcoholics these days. I was doing 3 eight balls a day not to mention meth and everything else. Put your trust in me and seek help, you won't be able to go it alone
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:16:38
In reply to Re: Effexor XR Cocaine use !, posted by contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 10:20:19
It's good to hear you're clean. I highly recommend effexor or wellbutrin to give more pep to you (not you, but anyone else reading this who is thinking of quitting)
> I am a recovering cocaine user. I was taking Celexa and was doing cocaine. Suffice to say I had no idea if the Celexa had any effect as the cocaine superceded any other emotion, purpose, desire, meaning or importance. I had a singleness of purpose and that was to stay high on the cocaine. Celexa (similar to Effexor in the SSRI component) was just a placebo at that point that I continued to take out of fear that its discontinuation would conflict with my cocaine high.
>
> NOW the important part, and I will not address the potential for abuse as I would be preaching to the choir I hope, is that when I discontinued the cocaine the Celexa DID NOT WORK for 2 months. According to my doctor at the time, cocaine releases massive amounts of seratonin into your bloodstream and once you stop using cocaine, your body/brain yearns for the same effect. Any SSRI does not even come close to having the same effect. It is like taking aspirin after using heroin.
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> I went through two of the worst months in my life. The Celexa was not doing what it was supposed to do because the cocaine blew it out of the water and I was craving for the cocaine that at that point was just causing massive paranoia every time I used.
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> I hope this helps.
>
> > Hi There, I wondered if recreational use of cocaine would be detrimental to the affects of Effexor or worse still damaging overall ?
> >
> > Any ideas on this subject ?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Wilf
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Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:19:28
In reply to Re: Going off of Effexor: Attn 4peace, posted by jahmah on February 18, 2004, at 10:22:35
Notify you're doctor that you would like to ween off, he'll probably tell you to take 1 37.5mg for 2 weeks and thats it. I highly suggest an exercise routine, great for you and the baby.
> > You and I seem to be in the same boat right now. We are both at 75 mg and trying to get off to become pregnant. Maybe we can email each other privately to help each other along. By the way my hubby and I are going to be trying for our second child too:)
> > Here is my email addey proudmum2001@yahoo.ca
> >
> > Tanya
> >
> > I am on Effexor XR, slow relase capsules. I take 2 (37.5) capules each morning. How can I slowly ween myself off of these before I try to get pregnant. Has anyone had to switch to the pill form which is easier to break up? Any success, advice, concerns?
> >
> > Hi,Be prepared for a ride. I think the caps are the best. you can go to a health food store and get your own empty gell caps and start to devide your caps up.Thats what I did . I went from 150 and devided them into four caps. Its been5 days now and its been like the worst hangover Ive had with electric shocks going through my brain dawn my arms and into my hands and feet. It may sound funny, but, brushing my hair is my idicator if it is getting better. Today is just a little bit better than yesterday.
>
> Good luck
>
> jeff
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Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:21:19
In reply to new Question, posted by poochi on February 18, 2004, at 15:43:43
Prozac is not addictive. Everyone is different and some do not experience withdrawal. You may expect some mood swings, but ask your doctor.
> I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, i keep going to one of these posts and then getting lost inthese message boards . My question is, is Fluoxertine addictive.? And, do you get the withdrawl effects trying to stop Fluoxertine that you get with Effexor? And, is Fluoxertine Prozac? Thanx.
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:24:56
In reply to Re: new Question, posted by Contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 15:55:38
I feel what you said is inaccurate. Everyone's body is different, and you are using your experience to tell someone to expect. I find in Psychology/Psychiatry that similarities a client and a Dr. have, the Dr. may assume they are totally alike which is a no no. I hope I am not insulting you, because I am not. I respect your giving advice.
> Fluoxetine is Prozac.
>
> It is much easier to get off of Prozac in my experience.
>
> Is it addictive? Depends how you define the term. It does cause withdrawals and when going through withdrawals one usually feels worse than they did before taking the drug in the first place. It certainly is not abusable which is one of the components of addiction. However, when going through witdrawals one mught have strong temptations to pop a Prozac to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms.
>
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> > I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, i keep going to one of these posts and then getting lost inthese message boards . My question is, is Fluoxertine addictive.? And, do you get the withdrawl effects trying to stop Fluoxertine that you get with Effexor? And, is Fluoxertine Prozac? Thanx.
>
>
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:28:11
In reply to Re: new Question, posted by Judie on February 18, 2004, at 16:39:57
Stay away from the booze! It may make u sink to an alltime low mood. The med is still in your system, and many people find drinking on them makes them sad, so you have that added to a possible withdrawal if you have had symptoms.
> I did not suffer any withdrawel symptoms when I quit taking Prozac, Paxil, Wellbutrin or Zoloft. 3 days off effexor and my head is throbbing and I'm still dizzy... but wouldn't call it addictive. I definitely don't want any more of it. I'm going to have a drink or two to ease the pain. Alcohol, on the other hand...
Posted by contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 20:29:57
In reply to Re: new Question » Contemplative1, posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:24:56
Thank you, I stand corrected and not insulted.
Thus, Prozac for me did cause some mild withdrawals but not as severe as Celexa or Paxil and from what I hear Effexor. And as Doctor Feel Good correctly pointed out, one person's experience is by no means necessarily another's.
> I feel what you said is inaccurate. Everyone's body is different, and you are using your experience to tell someone to expect. I find in Psychology/Psychiatry that similarities a client and a Dr. have, the Dr. may assume they are totally alike which is a no no. I hope I am not insulting you, because I am not. I respect your giving advice.
> > Fluoxetine is Prozac.
> >
> > It is much easier to get off of Prozac in my experience.
> >
> > Is it addictive? Depends how you define the term. It does cause withdrawals and when going through withdrawals one usually feels worse than they did before taking the drug in the first place. It certainly is not abusable which is one of the components of addiction. However, when going through witdrawals one mught have strong temptations to pop a Prozac to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms.
> >
> >
> > > I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, i keep going to one of these posts and then getting lost inthese message boards . My question is, is Fluoxertine addictive.? And, do you get the withdrawl effects trying to stop Fluoxertine that you get with Effexor? And, is Fluoxertine Prozac? Thanx.
> >
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Posted by PsychoSage on February 18, 2004, at 21:10:24
In reply to Re: Effexor XR Cocaine use ! (RESPONSE), posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 20:13:45
> > > Do NOT use cocaine. Effexor is the best antidepressant for people suffering from cocaine abuse, even a year after stopping it your brain wont be the same.
> > > I'm a recovering addict to cocaine, meth, benzos, alcohol, ecstasy, basically everything. Do NOT use drugs if not prescribed to you. Oh yeah, you could have a seizure/stroke or worse mixing cocaine with an activating antidepressant like Effexor
Whoever is taking illicit drugs on Effexor, be careful. I have already reported my "overdoses" with a little bit of meth while being on Effexor. It happened twice in two weeks. I was in the ER twice. I had purple skin [94F temp- not sure why i did not overheat each time], and my heart was about to burst. each time IV benzos saved my life. The second time involved nitroglycerin and lots of morphine shots for my chest pain, and i was hooked up to heart monitors over night. My doctor at detox the following week who also taught at my university told me to don't be on the AD for a week before I start using, so I don't DIE!I was 21 at the time. It was so sad because a Doctor from student health came to see me when I was admitted overnight. It was purely out of sympathy. I was young and stupid. She had overheard that I was there, and she had not treated me before or known me. It's a sad thing to screw yourself over while on drugs that are supposed to save your life.
I haven't even read this post completely or this thread because it is very very simple. Don't take E, crystal or coke while on any of those psychiatric drugs. What is the point anyways?? Why stay on the ADs or whatever other psych drug if you are using other psychoactive drugs that hinder your treatment or actually downright nullify it. I can tell you that benzos and the emergency room save lives. I am not going to tell you to take them without a script as protection, but it's been known to be done.
I am not the only idiot ever!!
SSRIs and E or meth do not get along either.
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 22:24:01
In reply to Re: new Question, posted by contemplative1 on February 18, 2004, at 20:29:57
Thanks! :) I felt bad
> Thank you, I stand corrected and not insulted.
>
> Thus, Prozac for me did cause some mild withdrawals but not as severe as Celexa or Paxil and from what I hear Effexor. And as Doctor Feel Good correctly pointed out, one person's experience is by no means necessarily another's.
>
> > I feel what you said is inaccurate. Everyone's body is different, and you are using your experience to tell someone to expect. I find in Psychology/Psychiatry that similarities a client and a Dr. have, the Dr. may assume they are totally alike which is a no no. I hope I am not insulting you, because I am not. I respect your giving advice.
> > > Fluoxetine is Prozac.
> > >
> > > It is much easier to get off of Prozac in my experience.
> > >
> > > Is it addictive? Depends how you define the term. It does cause withdrawals and when going through withdrawals one usually feels worse than they did before taking the drug in the first place. It certainly is not abusable which is one of the components of addiction. However, when going through witdrawals one mught have strong temptations to pop a Prozac to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, i keep going to one of these posts and then getting lost inthese message boards . My question is, is Fluoxertine addictive.? And, do you get the withdrawl effects trying to stop Fluoxertine that you get with Effexor? And, is Fluoxertine Prozac? Thanx.
> > >
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Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 18, 2004, at 22:26:49
In reply to Re: Effexor XR Cocaine use ! (RESPONSE), posted by PsychoSage on February 18, 2004, at 21:10:24
Yes! I agree!
> > > > Do NOT use cocaine. Effexor is the best antidepressant for people suffering from cocaine abuse, even a year after stopping it your brain wont be the same.
> > > > I'm a recovering addict to cocaine, meth, benzos, alcohol, ecstasy, basically everything. Do NOT use drugs if not prescribed to you. Oh yeah, you could have a seizure/stroke or worse mixing cocaine with an activating antidepressant like Effexor
>
>
> Whoever is taking illicit drugs on Effexor, be careful. I have already reported my "overdoses" with a little bit of meth while being on Effexor. It happened twice in two weeks. I was in the ER twice. I had purple skin [94F temp- not sure why i did not overheat each time], and my heart was about to burst. each time IV benzos saved my life. The second time involved nitroglycerin and lots of morphine shots for my chest pain, and i was hooked up to heart monitors over night. My doctor at detox the following week who also taught at my university told me to don't be on the AD for a week before I start using, so I don't DIE!
>
> I was 21 at the time. It was so sad because a Doctor from student health came to see me when I was admitted overnight. It was purely out of sympathy. I was young and stupid. She had overheard that I was there, and she had not treated me before or known me. It's a sad thing to screw yourself over while on drugs that are supposed to save your life.
>
> I haven't even read this post completely or this thread because it is very very simple. Don't take E, crystal or coke while on any of those psychiatric drugs. What is the point anyways?? Why stay on the ADs or whatever other psych drug if you are using other psychoactive drugs that hinder your treatment or actually downright nullify it. I can tell you that benzos and the emergency room save lives. I am not going to tell you to take them without a script as protection, but it's been known to be done.
>
> I am not the only idiot ever!!
>
> SSRIs and E or meth do not get along either.
>
>
Posted by 4peace on February 19, 2004, at 3:01:58
In reply to Insomnia and depression, posted by Richie on February 25, 2001, at 2:46:53
Hi,
Stay clear of the Ambian, it is addicting. I took it for a week, it was horrible. I then got a new Dr. and took Trazadone, which definitly worked. I was on it for about 6 months, and gradually weened my self off. It was prescibed to help with my sleep and I only took it at night. I also went through Zoloft and Wellbutrin, till I was prescibed Effexor which cured my anxiety and depression, along with pyschotherapy. I am still on Effexor, and see my therapist once a month.
Posted by 4peace on February 19, 2004, at 3:07:26
In reply to Re: Has ANYBODY out there lost their Effexor weight ??, posted by lyra31 on February 25, 2001, at 16:28:47
I too gained weight on Effexor, about 30 pounds. I think part of it is the fact that when one feels good they eat, I also was not as anxious about body image/etc.
What has helped is sticking to a low carb diet, less carbs, less cravings. I too was hungry all the time. Of course exercise is key, I have lost some of the weight.
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 19, 2004, at 3:08:14
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression, posted by 4peace on February 19, 2004, at 3:01:58
Good for you. Ambien made me psychotic, popping up to 10x 10mg at night. For a week I was extremely paranoid and major threatening hallucinations. Im on Effexor and Trazadone now, still cant sleep. Life is very tough for me. I am looking forward to when my body readjusts from 11 yrs of pot smoking, and many years of booze , meth, ecstasy (400 approx. in 1 yr), cocaine (sometimes 1-4 eightballs a night). I've been clean and I am optimistic of staying that way. Take Care!
> Hi,
> Stay clear of the Ambian, it is addicting. I took it for a week, it was horrible. I then got a new Dr. and took Trazadone, which definitly worked. I was on it for about 6 months, and gradually weened my self off. It was prescibed to help with my sleep and I only took it at night. I also went through Zoloft and Wellbutrin, till I was prescibed Effexor which cured my anxiety and depression, along with pyschotherapy. I am still on Effexor, and see my therapist once a month.
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 19, 2004, at 3:13:07
In reply to Re: Has ANYBODY out there lost their Effexor weight ??, posted by 4peace on February 19, 2004, at 3:07:26
Effexor can cause some people to gain/lose weight. Many people do not. Get a good exercise routine where u can at least walk at a quick pace for 30min or 3 miles depending if using a treadmill,bike, elliptical. Eat frequently (good food).
Good luck!> I too gained weight on Effexor, about 30 pounds. I think part of it is the fact that when one feels good they eat, I also was not as anxious about body image/etc.
>
> What has helped is sticking to a low carb diet, less carbs, less cravings. I too was hungry all the time. Of course exercise is key, I have lost some of the weight.
Posted by Dirtylowdown4 on February 19, 2004, at 7:49:06
In reply to Re: Has ANYBODY out there lost their Effexor weight ??, posted by 4peace on February 19, 2004, at 3:07:26
I have managed to lose weight since taking Effexor although the weight loss was intentional. I find that since taking Effexor my appetite has increased dramatically and if not for calorie counting and changing my eating habits I would have ballooned up. Instead of eating junk food snacks now I eat fruit several times a day. I am vain about my appearance so I have always been able to control my weight although it has not been easy. There is no substitute for will power. Sorry if anyone thinks I'm oversimplifying with this last comment.
Posted by Judie on February 19, 2004, at 7:54:28
In reply to Re: Has ANYBODY out there lost their Effexor weight ??, posted by 4peace on February 19, 2004, at 3:07:26
I gained about 20 pounds on effexor. Exercise is definitely key... burns calories AND lifts your spirit. I'm working on getting the weight off, too... good luck to you!> I too gained weight on Effexor, about 30 pounds. I think part of it is the fact that when one feels good they eat, I also was not as anxious about body image/etc.
>
> What has helped is sticking to a low carb diet, less carbs, less cravings. I too was hungry all the time. Of course exercise is key, I have lost some of the weight.
Posted by crzyinlove on February 19, 2004, at 8:18:50
In reply to Re: Anyone NOT had trouble getting off this med?, posted by chase9 on February 12, 2004, at 18:47:02
I have a new question - did this medication make anyone think they were losing their mind. I swear it has made me act completely irrational and bizarre. I think I am in love with someone other than my spouse and am about ready to ruin my marriage and this all started about 3 months after I started taking effexor. Also my friends think it is not helping and that I am always sad or strange. But, now that I have read about the withdrawal symptoms I am petrified to go off it.
Posted by PoohBear on February 19, 2004, at 10:12:41
In reply to Re: Anyone NOT had trouble getting off this med?, posted by crzyinlove on February 19, 2004, at 8:18:50
You should talk to your pDoc; this may not be the medication for you if you're still sad after three months of treatment. Also, it looks like you may need some talk therapy to work out some other issues. An affair will NOT help your situation, but only add to your guilt, etc.
Prozac can help you get off Effexor. You may also be bipolar. If so, an antidepressant can cause an agrivation of manic-depressive cycles. If your doctor is not open to invesitgating new lines of thinking, you need a new doctor.
Good luck and best wishes!
Tony
> I have a new question - did this medication make anyone think they were losing their mind. I swear it has made me act completely irrational and bizarre. I think I am in love with someone other than my spouse and am about ready to ruin my marriage and this all started about 3 months after I started taking effexor. Also my friends think it is not helping and that I am always sad or strange. But, now that I have read about the withdrawal symptoms I am petrified to go off it.
Posted by djsarah on February 19, 2004, at 19:29:44
In reply to Re: Glad to be OFF EFFEXOR!!, posted by KFRAN on January 29, 2004, at 15:17:32
in response to K-FRAN -
In terms of the drug working, I found that Effexor was quite effective and it really helped me with few side effects. Before panicking about what you read here, be thankful if the drug is helping you and try to become aware of the precautions you should be taking. Once you are ready to withdraw, read a lot of different stuff on it so that you can learn from others' mistakes and successes, make sure you are aware of what can happen and how to make withdrawal least painful.
Posted by Doctor Feel Good on February 19, 2004, at 21:34:38
In reply to Re: Has ANYBODY out there lost their Effexor weight ?? » 4peace, posted by Dirtylowdown4 on February 19, 2004, at 7:49:06
Good for you. Antipsychotic drugs are infamous for gaining weight also, and it is recommended that people on these meds exercise daily and monitor what they eat. I am on Effexor, but I manage to do 30min cardio and 30-60min. on heavy weights, so Im always craving food, but I eat unfried chicken, fish, turkey, and an occasional steak or burger. I Eat every 2-3 hours (i.e Rice, chicken, veggies)
> I have managed to lose weight since taking Effexor although the weight loss was intentional. I find that since taking Effexor my appetite has increased dramatically and if not for calorie counting and changing my eating habits I would have ballooned up. Instead of eating junk food snacks now I eat fruit several times a day. I am vain about my appearance so I have always been able to control my weight although it has not been easy. There is no substitute for will power. Sorry if anyone thinks I'm oversimplifying with this last comment.
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