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Posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
What I'm gonna say can sound strange but I hope it won't be re-directed because I think it can be useful to someone. I think that psychobabble for me has been harmful. Since I have discovered it I passed a lot of time on concerning about the meds I were taking and paying too much attention at the side-effects of the meds. I began to argue with psychiatrists about treatment, loosing time with suplements, searching for the 'perfect cure'. I won't say every guy out there has the same (love-hate) relationship to psychobabble and I don't want to deny that it has educated me somewhat. I just want to suggest my seven step program for menthal health before saying 'farewell and goodbye'
1. Find a good psychiatrist.
2. Follow what he suggests.
3. Wait for the time you have to wait for.
4. If you're not satisfied about the cure talk to him about it.
5. If you're not satisfied about the psychiatrist go to another psychiatrist.
6. If you're not satisfied with meds alone talk with your psychiatrist about the opportunity of a psychoterapy.
7. When you get better stop thinking about meds and mental disturbs and live your life.
I did it for years and it worked. Then I began to think I could be the psychiatrist of myself. I failed.
Good Luck to Everyone, Menthal Health is out there.
Francesco
Posted by KellyD on January 27, 2004, at 19:22:33
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
Your words hold much truth. I have referred to the process as "poster progression". Most come initially for information and support. This can progress to incidents that are disturbing and the illusion that every med, treatment, suppliment, etc. fails and is h*llish. I have choosen to be here very infrequently and post less than that.
I do caution you, it's a difficult "habit" to break - not being "here". I have had good and bad experiences here --- much like life "out there".
Good luck to you.
Posted by HappyGirl on January 28, 2004, at 1:01:11
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
Hi:
This site, 'Psycho-Babble' or any other similar ones are all 'Support,' ... NOT for use of professional information like you're able to get from your pdoc. Then, we all need to know 'how to balance,' in other words, like a 'Bridge' when you're NOT sure whether some of meds. you've been on is right one/working or not, ... for information along with emotional-support that you'd get something like 'comrades'feeling' that often not able to expect from the pdoc.
When you've been facing M.I., ... unlike physical illness, is often 'puzzling illness,' for this reason, we often tend to 'rely on' some folks who have been going through the same/similar road you are forced to trudge that often NOT 'easy road.'
Realizing/understanding what value this site you'd expect to get, we need to NOT spend tremendous amount of time coming here to read, ... rather for 'support' purpose by reading that often 'warm and friendly feelings' in the context, because we are all one way or other, are on the same/similar journey due to the condition we have.
At least, this method works VERY WELL for me without the feeling of 'hooked-up'/sickly feelings on this site, M.I. Support.
H.G.
Posted by Bill LL on January 28, 2004, at 9:31:56
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
It's true that it can be harmful to get caught up with the negative effects of drugs and to lose sight of the helpful effects.
All readers of these discussion groups should keep in mind that evnethough they have some side effects, most of the drugs used for depression are very safe and very effective. And that the side effects are generally very minor compared to the living hell of depression.
Posted by Alexander on January 28, 2004, at 11:26:53
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
I think that points 5 and 6 (especially) are fallacious.
Because what are u going to tell the new psychiatrist upon switching due to non-satisfaction? Will u be able to make a suggestion? U see there are means that are somewhat like gay men: "perfectly legal but no one wants to touch them"
But there are always a few courageous MDs who will and it is here where it is most likely (from my experience, at least) that u will learn about possible "unconventional" means AND their effectiveness, as well as the actual effectiveness of "conventional means".
And as to your last sentence, my friend:
Plato once responded to the question as to what he would consider among the most difficult things. "To know yourself, my friend, to know yourself." was his response"There is only one thing harder than steel and diamond and that is to know thyself" ---B. Franklin
> What I'm gonna say can sound strange but I hope it won't be re-directed because I think it can be useful to someone. I think that psychobabble for me has been harmful. Since I have discovered it I passed a lot of time on concerning about the meds I were taking and paying too much attention at the side-effects of the meds. I began to argue with psychiatrists about treatment, loosing time with suplements, searching for the 'perfect cure'. I won't say every guy out there has the same (love-hate) relationship to psychobabble and I don't want to deny that it has educated me somewhat. I just want to suggest my seven step program for menthal health before saying 'farewell and goodbye'
>
> 1. Find a good psychiatrist.
>
> 2. Follow what he suggests.
>
> 3. Wait for the time you have to wait for.
>
> 4. If you're not satisfied about the cure talk to him about it.
>
> 5. If you're not satisfied about the psychiatrist go to another psychiatrist.
>
> 6. If you're not satisfied with meds alone talk with your psychiatrist about the opportunity of a psychoterapy.
>
> 7. When you get better stop thinking about meds and mental disturbs and live your life.
>
> I did it for years and it worked. Then I began to think I could be the psychiatrist of myself. I failed.
>
> Good Luck to Everyone, Menthal Health is out there.
>
> Francesco
Posted by zeugma on January 28, 2004, at 20:33:27
In reply to Re: farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by KellyD on January 27, 2004, at 19:22:33
> Your words hold much truth. I have referred to the process as "poster progression". Most come initially for information and support. This can progress to incidents that are disturbing and the illusion that every med, treatment, suppliment, etc. fails and is h*llish. I have choosen to be here very infrequently and post less than that.
>
> I do caution you, it's a difficult "habit" to break - not being "here". I have had good and bad experiences here --- much like life "out there".
> Good luck to you.
I find that to some extent, I'm addicted to this place. It gives me something to do first thing in the morning (or whenever)and is always 'open' unlike places (or people) in real life. Learning about meds and how the brain works, and getting support when in need are the pluses. Negatives are the obsessions with meds and forms of illness that are part of my illness, the endless search for more information when the time and energy could be more constructively used elsewhere.One more thing: One lesson I've learned from this place is that it's much better to find something that works, even if imperfect, than to engage in wholesale disruptions of sensitive brain chemistry in the search for the perfect treatment. The amount of insight into what to expect from a particular med from the experience of others is strictly limited.
Posted by Eddie Sylvano on January 29, 2004, at 10:54:46
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
Theoretically, Francesco isn't reading these responses.
Posted by zeugma on January 29, 2004, at 21:18:55
In reply to Re: farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Eddie Sylvano on January 29, 2004, at 10:54:46
> Theoretically, Francesco isn't reading these responses.
>
> I've seen him posting, it was a brief farewell.In any case, it doesn't matter, he was raising issues that I thought were worth responding to even if he himself was making a fast exit out of here.
Posted by Eddie Sylvano on January 30, 2004, at 8:39:56
In reply to Re: farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by zeugma on January 29, 2004, at 21:18:55
> In any case, it doesn't matter, he was raising issues that I thought were worth responding to even if he himself was making a fast exit out of here.
----------Yeah. His points form a meta-point, that each person's experience is different (both for meds and meds discussion).
IMHO, if all doctors were up to date on their research, and experienced in pharmacology, we really could all address our needs with one professional. This is the ideal. It probably works relatively close to this if you consult a mechanic, or a dentist, but trying to fix mental states is such a varied and internally subjective phenomenon that it's optimistic to expect any one person to suss everything out right. If you believe the DSM, there are a finite number of mental problems. If you believe the FDA, there are a handful of prescriptive avenues for each problem. That said, it makes sense to consult an experienced professional and take their advice, but I don't think that one should resign themselves to a failing regimen if the case arises. Professionals are in a better position to address their areas of expertise, but they aren't perfect. I think that a lot of the motivation fueling this board is frustration with incomplete or erroneous treatment, and not people assuming they know more than their doctors. As a final point, Psychiatrists in general aren't an equal access resource. If you don't have the necessary insurance, or money, you're on your own whether you like it or not. There's a huge barrier to mental health resources in the United States that urgently needs addressing.
I'll step off my soapbox now...
Posted by KimberlyDi on January 30, 2004, at 16:30:50
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
In a way, because I might have been satisfied with one medication. But Psychobabble has broadened my pharmaceutical knowledge of all these medications, and I'm always scanning the posts, looking for something better. I read ACE's euphoric posts and wish I could fly like that. One AD is ok... but add alittle of this and a sprinkle of that, mix those meds together and MAYBE it'll be perfect for me! My worries are, that at heart, I'm just a junkie looking for a quick fix. I was aggressive in suggesting my treatment program. For alittle bit, I'm going to back off and let the pdoc do the thinking. Hope she isn't used to me driving the vehicle. I don't want to idle, going nowhere.
Posted by francesco on January 30, 2004, at 17:09:27
In reply to farewell to psychobabble (my last post), posted by Francesco on January 27, 2004, at 15:50:03
Of course it wasn't my last post ... I missed you so I came back 'home' ;-) I would like we will discuss issues like that here and not just "which is the best dopaminist agonist to counteract sexual dysfunction induced by paxil precribed for social phobia" ;-) I mean ... the psychological aspects of taking meds, the way they influence your approach to life, and stuff like that ... I don't know if Dr. Bob can open up another Babble, maybe "meta-psychobabble" ;-) But I was glad to read your answers, and I'm happy just right now, because I have taken a benzo and lithium I think ;-)
Posted by KellyD on January 30, 2004, at 22:19:17
In reply to Re: farewell to psychobabble (my last post) » Francesco, posted by francesco on January 30, 2004, at 17:09:27
This is the end of the thread.
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