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Posted by glennTK on October 28, 2003, at 10:25:44
Hi Folks,
As you may notice, I'm new to this group. I've read quite a few articles (posts) on Nardil and have heard many similarities to my experiences and I have some that are different.I, like others, have experienced great benefits from Nardil. It reaped such benefits. I am able to think much more clearly, concentrate much better, my memory is better by over 200%, almost always think in positive manner, etc. It is so worthwhile I want to try to determine a couple things about it, but first I want to make a statement: I can't remember who talked on this matter, but one CANNOT over state the caution one should take in abiding by most of the medication and dietery restraints claimed to be imposed by this medication.
I have experienced 5 Hypertensive crisis, all of which produced extremely high blood pressure (~220/160) and was very-rushed to an emergency room. I experianced a headache beyond that of explanation, sweating profusely and came very close to having a stroke. There are many of the dietary restrictions that affect me very little, hence I try small amounts first then... But the combining of medications ARE VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. Just about any cold medication will yield a trip to the emergency room of which you'll never forget. Please abide by ALL warnings on over-the-counter meds thus be sure to read the warnings on it's label, they'll contain mention of an MAOI if they are dangerous. Remember though, the meds aren't like the food whereby you can take a little and increase to a higher amount, one dose can do terrible things. I have impirical proof of this.
My questions are:
1.) Does anyone know of any research being done in the area of MAOI's? E.g., Taking higher doses than the 6 pill max recomended dose.
2.) Does anyone know of a solution to the "burnout" aspect of the efficacy? E.g. other meds that work on the same neuro-transmitters.
3.) Has anyone experienced a re-ignition of efficacy w/Nardil?Any and all comments are very welcome and invited!
glenn
Posted by ace on October 28, 2003, at 16:20:03
In reply to Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by glennTK on October 28, 2003, at 10:25:44
Correct. One must be careful while on Nardil. No question. But personally I have never ever had any problems except one hypertensive crises- had to go to hospital. But I would have 50 for the benefit this master med provides!
> My questions are:
> 1.) Does anyone know of any research being done in the area of MAOI's? E.g., Taking higher doses than the 6 pill max recomended dose.No. All research is spent (wasted!) on SSRI cash cows...too bad MAOIs kill them! Folks, that's just my opinion! However, PLENTY of folk go over the recommended dose- I heard of one fellow taking 240mg nardil with no probs at all.
> 2.) Does anyone know of a solution to the "burnout" aspect of the efficacy? E.g. other meds that work on the same neuro-transmitters.Lower the MAOI dose for a week and go back up. This aspect is nearly always reversible (if it happens which is rare) with MAOIs, unlike SSRIs.
> 3.) Has anyone experienced a re-ignition of efficacy w/Nardil?Always. It never lets me down.
>
> Any and all comments are very welcome and invited!
> glennNardil rules!
Ace.
Posted by glennTK on October 28, 2003, at 22:50:09
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by ace on October 28, 2003, at 16:20:03
> Correct. One must be careful while on Nardil. No question. But personally I have never ever had any problems except one hypertensive crises- had to go to hospital. But I would have 50 for the benefit this master med provides!
I agree! We must have similiar benefits by taking Nardil. I almost lost my life the last time (hypertensive crisis), and told them the same thing; "I'd continue going thru these once every ~7 years to continue feeling as though I'm the person I knew I should be.
>
>
> > My questions are:
> > 1.) Does anyone know of any research being done in the area of MAOI's? E.g., Taking higher doses than the 6 pill max recomended dose.
>
> No. All research is spent (wasted!) on SSRI cash cows...too bad MAOIs kill them! Folks, that's just my opinion! However, PLENTY of folk go over the recommended dose- I heard of one fellow taking 240mg nardil with no probs at all.
>I believed such to be the case. I'd still like to talk to a chemist/(those who use to be involved in the research). "For what reason?", you ask. I'd like to still know the reason for discontinuation of the research in the first place, and whether there is still room for improovement and in what areas.
>
> > 2.) Does anyone know of a solution to the "burnout" aspect of the efficacy? E.g. other meds that work on the same neuro-transmitters.
>
> Lower the MAOI dose for a week and go back up. This aspect is nearly always reversible (if it happens which is rare) with MAOIs, unlike SSRIs.
>Thanks, I'll give this a try. Though, upon lowering my dose I become very anxious, almost to the degree of panic. I guess I'll have to still go slower in the reduction process. Do you have any idea of the percentage of ones "normal" dose you must decrease to yield the "reset" results?
>
> > 3.) Has anyone experienced a re-ignition of efficacy w/Nardil?
>
> Always. It never lets me down.
>
Man I hope "your" idea works as well for me as it appearently has worked for you. What GREAT NEWS! THANKS AGAIN...> >
> > Any and all comments are very welcome and invited!
> > glenn
>
> Nardil rules!
>
> Ace.Nardil's THE BOMB!
glenn
Posted by glenn on October 29, 2003, at 6:32:51
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose » ace, posted by glennTK on October 28, 2003, at 22:50:09
Hello Glenn, its the real Glenn here -lol
I used to frequent a site called the good ship maoi where all the maoiers would go on and on and on about how good parnate and nardil were!
They all carried around something I beleive was called procardia, any hypertensive problems they would pop one of these and problem gone, so they said!
I got the very strong impression this was standard practice, at leat in the us, is this not the case?Glenn
Posted by JonW on October 29, 2003, at 15:17:52
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by ace on October 28, 2003, at 16:20:03
> > 2.) Does anyone know of a solution to the "burnout" aspect of the efficacy? E.g. other meds that work on the same neuro-transmitters.
>
> Lower the MAOI dose for a week and go back up. This aspect is nearly always reversible (if it happens which is rare) with MAOIs, unlike SSRIs.I take moclobemide, the poser MAOI :), and I can say that this has worked for me as well. I don't have to lower the dose for more than a day to recharge its effects. I've only had to do this twice. I'd do it once a month or even once a week, though, if I had to!
Jon :)
Posted by ace on October 29, 2003, at 16:36:53
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by glenn on October 29, 2003, at 6:32:51
> They all carried around something I beleive was called procardia, any hypertensive problems they would pop one of these and problem gone, so they said!
> I got the very strong impression this was standard practice, at leat in the us, is this not the case?
>
> Glenn
Exactly the one bro- my doc gave me about 4 packs!- he got them free! Nifedipine-Procardia- same thing.I popped one with my HT crises- did the job!
Hey dude, what can you remember about this old MAOI board- is it still around- I better get to it- you know I am the worlds heavyweight champion of Nardil!!!!
Ace.
Posted by ace on October 29, 2003, at 16:40:02
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by JonW on October 29, 2003, at 15:17:52
> > > 2.) Does anyone know of a solution to the "burnout" aspect of the efficacy? E.g. other meds that work on the same neuro-transmitters.
> >
> > Lower the MAOI dose for a week and go back up. This aspect is nearly always reversible (if it happens which is rare) with MAOIs, unlike SSRIs.
>
> I take moclobemide, the poser MAOI :), and I can say that this has worked for me as well. I don't have to lower the dose for more than a day to recharge its effects. I've only had to do this twice. I'd do it once a month or even once a week, though, if I had to!
>
> Jon :)The poser MAOI?!!! Ha Ha! I like that! But the poser MAOI is still better than the SSRIs!
It's great that lowering helps- once I needed to lower once when I was taking Nardil with Zyprexa- gave it a couple of days and the smile was wide again.
I can see myself on Nardil for life- just manipulating the dose now and then.
Take care bro,
Ace.
Posted by glenn on October 29, 2003, at 18:10:11
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose » glenn, posted by ace on October 29, 2003, at 16:36:53
Sorry ace I think the board packed up, they were all too happy it seemed to me to be bothered with posting any more and had " better 2 things to do!
Seriously though when nardil or parnate work ,if that board was anything to go by, they sure work incredibly well- but then you already know that!Glenn
Posted by glennTK on November 4, 2003, at 2:34:13
In reply to Re: Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by JonW on October 29, 2003, at 15:17:52
> > > 2.) Does anyone know of a solution to the "burnout" aspect of the efficacy? E.g. other meds that work on the same neuro-transmitters.
> >
> > Lower the MAOI dose for a week and go back up. This aspect is nearly always reversible (if it happens which is rare) with MAOIs, unlike SSRIs.
>
> I take moclobemide, the poser MAOI :), and I can say that this has worked for me as well. I don't have to lower the dose for more than a day to recharge its effects. I've only had to do this twice. I'd do it once a month or even once a week, though, if I had to!
>
> Jon :)->glennTK
Thank you for the reply Jon, I'm sold on it...
Posted by glennTK on November 4, 2003, at 2:51:01
In reply to Nardil - Great - Less So - Higher Dose, posted by glennTK on October 28, 2003, at 10:25:44
I apologize for the delay (extreme). I was otherwise engaged lol.
"Thanks" to all who posted on my topic!
I'm going to try the "lessoning" technique upon speaking w/my Psych-a-trist.
glennTK
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