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Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Hi everyone,
First off, I really have to thank Dr. Bob so much for being so lenient with my block -- I thought I was really gone for good!! Thank you, Dr. Bob.
The Apology:
My situation, as horrible as it was (is), did not warrant my expression of all that hatred, and I am genuinely sorry. My religion believes in forgiveness just as Christianity does, but I suppose I wasn't feeling very religious that day... Anyway, I really wish I could go back and change much of what I said, but hopefully it will suffice somewhat for you all to know that I *was* having very bad med reactions (no excuse, I know... but just hoping you can realize that I'm not normally like that). The Prozac/Ultram combination gave me a case of serotonin syndrome; Wellbutrin/Ultram gave me a seizure which left me hospitalized for two days. I detoxed from the Ultram completely (very easy to do with Prozac in my system, as I've posted before) and I quit the Wellbutrin XL. I hope I can be welcomed back here, and I really hope I haven't made many enemies... I was hostile, frazzled, and tore up, and my frenzied message displays that. I guess it all comes down to my begging for your forgiveness.
The Update:
Thank you infinitely to all who've offered suggestions regarding Norma... we're looking into our options, and I will keep you updated on this (at Social, of course).
So, now I'm on 20mg Prozac, 12mg Klonopin Wafers, 30mg DextroStat, and 4mg Xanax as-needed. Guess what? I feel *great*! Not just "not depressed", but motivated, happy, not wanting to spend all day in bed... ha, who would've thunk that *the* one drug my doctors never gave a fair trial of (the Prozac) would end up being my salvation after the failure of dozens of others?
The fibromyalgia pain -- GONE. Halle-freaking-lujah! (bet none of you were expecting that word, even interjected with 'freaking', to come out of my keyboard anytime soon, lol) The fibro has been the scourge of my existence for months now, keeping me bedridden mostly, at 20 years old. Now I won't even need opioids for *that*, let alone for my depression. I'm not sure whether it's the Prozac, my discontinuation of Ultram, quitting use of all products containing aspartame, going back on the Atkins diet, or some combination of the three, but I'm not going to question it. The horrible pain is gone -- gone, gone gone. Life is good. :-)
Now I only hope that at least some of you will speak to me still... once again, I apologize profusely for anything/everything I said.
Sincerely,
Michael
Posted by KimberlyDi on October 28, 2003, at 8:06:10
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Michael,
Psycho-Babble wouldn't be the same without you. Your wit and intelligence and apparently impressive anger... Thanks for having the courage to come back.KDi in Texas
> Hi everyone,
>
> First off, I really have to thank Dr. Bob so much for being so lenient with my block -- I thought I was really gone for good!! Thank you, Dr. Bob.
>
> The Apology:
>
> My situation, as horrible as it was (is), did not warrant my expression of all that hatred, and I am genuinely sorry. My religion believes in forgiveness just as Christianity does, but I suppose I wasn't feeling very religious that day... Anyway, I really wish I could go back and change much of what I said, but hopefully it will suffice somewhat for you all to know that I *was* having very bad med reactions (no excuse, I know... but just hoping you can realize that I'm not normally like that). The Prozac/Ultram combination gave me a case of serotonin syndrome; Wellbutrin/Ultram gave me a seizure which left me hospitalized for two days. I detoxed from the Ultram completely (very easy to do with Prozac in my system, as I've posted before) and I quit the Wellbutrin XL. I hope I can be welcomed back here, and I really hope I haven't made many enemies... I was hostile, frazzled, and tore up, and my frenzied message displays that. I guess it all comes down to my begging for your forgiveness.
>
> The Update:
>
> Thank you infinitely to all who've offered suggestions regarding Norma... we're looking into our options, and I will keep you updated on this (at Social, of course).
>
> So, now I'm on 20mg Prozac, 12mg Klonopin Wafers, 30mg DextroStat, and 4mg Xanax as-needed. Guess what? I feel *great*! Not just "not depressed", but motivated, happy, not wanting to spend all day in bed... ha, who would've thunk that *the* one drug my doctors never gave a fair trial of (the Prozac) would end up being my salvation after the failure of dozens of others?
>
> The fibromyalgia pain -- GONE. Halle-freaking-lujah! (bet none of you were expecting that word, even interjected with 'freaking', to come out of my keyboard anytime soon, lol) The fibro has been the scourge of my existence for months now, keeping me bedridden mostly, at 20 years old. Now I won't even need opioids for *that*, let alone for my depression. I'm not sure whether it's the Prozac, my discontinuation of Ultram, quitting use of all products containing aspartame, going back on the Atkins diet, or some combination of the three, but I'm not going to question it. The horrible pain is gone -- gone, gone gone. Life is good. :-)
>
> Now I only hope that at least some of you will speak to me still... once again, I apologize profusely for anything/everything I said.
>
> Sincerely,
> Michael
Posted by loolot on October 28, 2003, at 11:05:38
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Welcome back!!
Glad you feeling better! I wonder if the seizure had anything to do with it? Scary thought, but thats what shock therapy is, right?
Posted by Susan J on October 28, 2003, at 11:19:25
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Hiya,
I don't know you, really, but I did read that post. And it just seemed like someone in a lot of pain. I am very happy that you are feeling much better. And welcome back!
Susan
Posted by mattdds on October 28, 2003, at 14:45:14
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Michael,
Glad to see you back to yourself. Your post really haunted me for a couple of days. I'm agnostic / not religious, so I was not offended by the anti-Christian remarks - but, dude, that was not you talking! Creepy.
>>The Prozac/Ultram combination gave me a case of serotonin syndrome
I suspected this. Isn't intense, agitated mania one of the classic symptoms of serotonin syndrome?
Anyway, I'm glad you're feeling well, and back to your (better than?) normal self.
Matt
P.s. You mentioned you stopped ingesting aspartame. Could you explain why? Maybe over at alternative? I'm curious, because I'm a 2-liter per day Diet Coke man.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 15:43:39
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by mattdds on October 28, 2003, at 14:45:14
Thank all of you so much for the warm welcome back -- I was very nervous to see how everyone would respond.
Matt, as for the symptoms of serotonin syndrome, I really don't know much... fever, muscle rigidity, cold sweats, and headaches were very prominent. And I'm sure that if an overload of serotonin activity due to SSRIs can throw a bipolar into mania, then the same can happen to anyone. I'll answer about the aspartame at the alternative board, as you suggested.
Michael (who is feeling even better than he was this morning :-)
Posted by MelD on October 28, 2003, at 18:21:13
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 15:43:39
Not speak to you? Try and stop me! Welcome back and SO GLAD you are feeling better. (((AME SANS VIE)))) Melodie
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 18:30:18
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by MelD on October 28, 2003, at 18:21:13
Thank you so much -- you all are really making my day. It's good to be home! lol :-) ((((Melodie))))
Michael
Posted by Sabina on October 28, 2003, at 18:53:27
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
I'm so glad you're doing better and glad to see you back at doing what you do so well: acting as a positive, supportive, and informative source of energy and light on these boards.
Love is the Law.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 19:28:58
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by Sabina on October 28, 2003, at 18:53:27
(((Sabina))) Thank you so much for being so supportive and kind to me after that horrible outburst... it really feels nice to know that I have a niche here. :-)
Michael
Posted by JonW on October 28, 2003, at 20:58:39
In reply to Re: An apology and an update » Sabina, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 19:28:58
I never read the post you're talking about, but I know your a cool dude... so welcome back!
Jon :)
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 21:00:08
In reply to Re: An apology and an update » Ame Sans Vie, posted by JonW on October 28, 2003, at 20:58:39
Posted by Mariposa on October 28, 2003, at 22:17:34
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Welcome back, please add my Best Wishes for you and yours to that of the others!!~~~8|8
Posted by Jasmine Neroli on October 28, 2003, at 22:54:41
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Hey Michael babe!
I'm deliriously happy to see you back! (And no, not in a manic sense...lol). You sound so good and I'm ECSTATIC (again, no mania involved ;))to read that you're feeling great. Your presence here completes our "family", for sure!
Welcome, welcome....and apology accepted, although not required by me at all. Yeay!!
Jas
Posted by becksA on October 28, 2003, at 23:21:38
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by Jasmine Neroli on October 28, 2003, at 22:54:41
what did you say?
im sure im not the only one that's dying to find out
Posted by DoYouKnowHim? on October 29, 2003, at 1:56:11
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 15:43:39
Michael:
I didn't know you were gone, but I am glad you are back.
Let me tell you this: You HELP make a lot of lives BETTER on this board with your knowledge of meds.
I am terribly sorry for what you are going through emotionally, but perhaps God has a purpose in all of this: To help others with your knowledge of meds and your encouragement on this Internet board and others that cross your path each and every day.
Thanks for everything, Michael C. in SC
Posted by HenryO on October 29, 2003, at 3:22:05
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by DoYouKnowHim? on October 29, 2003, at 1:56:11
Please provide us a link to the post you are aplogizing for. Your posts are noted with interest.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 29, 2003, at 5:59:25
In reply to Re: An apology and an update, posted by HenryO on October 29, 2003, at 3:22:05
And again, thank you all for your continued support and overwhelming understanding. I wish I could make friends like you all in real life, lol.
BecksA: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031015/msgs/270843.html
I'm ashamed to post it, but there it is...
Michael
Posted by femlite on October 29, 2003, at 14:56:05
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
You bettcha,
If I could reach thru this computer screen Id hug your head and give you a big... fat ....NUGIE!!!And a hug
I feel like youv been thru somethings that I can relate to. We've all done manic stupid stuff..
Thats great about the fibro, all my ADs so far have helped some better than others. THATS SO GREAT FOR YOU :)
Posted by femlite on October 29, 2003, at 14:59:11
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 29, 2003, at 15:18:32
In reply to YOU FEELING BETTER IS THE BRIGHT SPOT OF MY DAY :) (nm) » Ame Sans Vie, posted by femlite on October 29, 2003, at 14:59:11
((((((((Femlite)))))))) That's so sweet of you to say, thank you so much! That really brightens *my* day even *more*, which I didn't think were possible! lol
I may as well respond here about your Adderall problem... the truth of the matter is, I'm at a complete loss. Sounds to me like you may be better off with Concerta, Dexedrine Spansules, or Desoxyn CR, though I know that doesn't help to solve your current predicament. My big concern at the moment, though, is with the crash you get after the amphetamine wears off. That often is an indication that the dose is too high... or it could simply be that amphetamines aren't for you (in which case Concerta may be a good option). When you are able to see your doctor again, if you'd like to continue with Adderall, I suggest the immediate release formulation. It lasts about 4-5 hours in most people, there are generics available, and if you take subsequent doses about 45 minutes before the first dose wears off, you should avoid any crash. If you can just stay on the amphetamine all day until it's almost time for sleep, you may be able to avoid even a night-time crash by taking a benzo when the crash begins to rear its ugly head and perhaps clonidine a little before bedtime (often prescribed for folks taking stimulants to help them sleep). It may reduce or eliminate any comedown effects from the stimulant. A little Ambien, Sonata, Halcion, Restoril, etc. before bed could also be of great help. First and foremost, I'd suggest lowering your dose though... if 20mg of the XR lasts a mere five hours and is causing such a horrible comedown, then perhaps 10-15mg of the immediate-release drug three-four times daily would be more appropriate.
Michael
P.S. I wish you the very best of luck with your fibro and really feel for what you're going through right now -- chin up!
Posted by Liligoth on October 29, 2003, at 19:40:58
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2003, at 0:39:09
In reply to An apology and an update, posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 28, 2003, at 6:40:22
I'm really glad you're feeling better, and sorry you had such a bad medication reaction. I know that I was just worried about you, and I'm glad to see you back.
Posted by DoYouKnowHim? on October 31, 2003, at 0:18:39
In reply to Re: An apology and an update » Ame Sans Vie, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2003, at 0:39:09
Mr. Mike:
Man, I wish I was as popular as you.
All I can say is that we are glad you are back. I always enjoy reading your posts because you seem to have more knowledge about meds than most of the pdocs I've ever been to see.
So that is what I mean about your PURPOSE: As messed up as things may seem at times for you (just like with the rest of us), you are affecting lives in a POSITIVE way on this board, With your insight on meds, you provide HOPE. You are needed here. You are appreciated here.
I'm not trying to pump you up, just telling it like it is.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on October 31, 2003, at 7:34:29
In reply to Re: An apology WB Mate!! Glad you are ok (nm) » Ame Sans Vie, posted by Liligoth on October 29, 2003, at 19:40:58
Again, thanks a lot for the support, encouragement, and kind words. DoYouKnowHim?, I greatly appreciate your commentary on my presence at these boards -- really made my day. Thank you. :-)
This is the end of the thread.
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