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Posted by ross co on June 28, 2003, at 21:32:03
cannot take the side effects for a 36 year old man anymore. there was good life before Nardil. so im 5 days through detox going 7 and my combo is
remeron 45mgs
lexapro 20mgs
neurontin 2400mgs
klonopin 4mgs
geodon 40mgs
topamax 50mgs
provigil 200mgs
i will shit on my own and breathe on my own and live life on my own and not up to the dastardly Nardil side effects. so far no movement in my groins but that took 10 days last time.
wish me good luck guys
ross
Posted by djmmm on June 29, 2003, at 9:12:13
In reply to NARDIL gone. the new to be combo!!!!!!!!, posted by ross co on June 28, 2003, at 21:32:03
I don't mean to be offensive, but maybe there is something else going on in your life that is causing your problems?
I often wonder just how sick (depressed, etc) people are when the side-effects cause them to stop or discontinue a working medication.
I went through almost every med, and only stopped or switched if the med wasn't effective, or the apathy (caused by SSRIs) became more of a distructive and disruptive force in my life than the depression itself.
The partially effective meds I quit because of side-effects were Wellbutrin SR, because of an allergic reaction, Celexa, because of an extreme weight gain of 20 lbs in a month and elivated bilirubin, and topamax (400mgs) because of impotence and extreme dysphasia/dysnomia. All of which were dicontinued by doctors orders. For what it's worth, the SSRIs (and every combo) helped very little (for me at least)
At my most depressed, I couldn't care less about weight gain, or anorgasmia...yeah they are annoying, but clinical depression, which often leads to suicide, is far more of an annoyance. Also, for what it's worth, I'm a 25 year old guy, and started meds at 15/16, so I CAN relate.
When I was depresssed, I would have sold my soul to the devil to feel "normal" for just one day.
I would be VERY surprised if that new combo of meds you listed didn't cause a myriad of side-effects, possibly more dangerous than any side-effect from a MAOI. The possible metabolic interactions are numerous, not to mention the many other problems associated with overmedicating.
I wish you good luck...and hope you have a good insurance co. I hope you don't find this post offensive or flippant.
Posted by ace on June 29, 2003, at 20:49:50
In reply to Re: NARDIL gone. the new to be combo!!!!!!!!, posted by djmmm on June 29, 2003, at 9:12:13
Posted by cosis on June 29, 2003, at 21:04:33
In reply to BIG MISTAKE BRO!! NARDIL DUSTS EVERY DRUG! (nm), posted by ace on June 29, 2003, at 20:49:50
Agreed
Posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:15:32
In reply to Re: BIG MISTAKE BRO!! NARDIL DUSTS EVERY DRUG!, posted by cosis on June 29, 2003, at 21:04:33
to say. i was as well as on another drug then on nardil before. i do not know about your preconditions. you guys take and bleed the side effects. ill go on cleaner drugs getting ready for Cymbalta and Pzizers anti-anxiety drug.
thanks
ross
Posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:19:54
In reply to Re: NARDIL gone. the new to be combo!!!!!!!!, posted by djmmm on June 29, 2003, at 9:12:13
hey bro. no offense but here your wrong. i do well on the ssri's. sorry you dont. plus dont come across like you know more than me ok? ive been in the hospital 8 times since i was born. bi-polar wise and i have every medical web site and i sit down and talk with my psych and we enjoy the time. PREGABALIN will be a blockbuster i will get on in 3 months.
ross
Posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:21:32
In reply to djmmm, posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:19:54
couple more months and we will have it. call pzizer
Posted by ace on June 29, 2003, at 21:43:28
In reply to no it does not guys. grow up! thats very insecure , posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:15:32
Dude, you made the same mistake before- I remember you saying that it was stupid to go off Nardil. You know Nardil is insane, so why go off it? I made the same mistake once. Nardil makes you feel so good you believe you can't fail. I hope the new drug works out, but I think Nardil has no competition.
Ace.
Posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 22:59:50
In reply to Re: no it does not guys. grow up! thats very insecure , posted by ace on June 29, 2003, at 21:43:28
as you are having anorgmia right now at 90mgs. i am not. and u can try to find all the cures out there but there are none and soon it realy becomes a problem and it makes you sick bro.
ive went 7 days without any A/D and i have felt really ok. i am going to start everythiing slowly and build from there. if it does not work for some time i will go ECT. seriously good luck but i cannot think of anyhthing i have tried to lesson sexual side effects
go ace
ross
Posted by cosis on June 29, 2003, at 23:03:12
In reply to no it does not guys. grow up! thats very insecure , posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:15:32
> to say. i was as well as on another drug then on nardil before. i do not know about your preconditions. you guys take and bleed the side effects. ill go on cleaner drugs getting ready for Cymbalta and Pzizers anti-anxiety drug.
> thanks
> rossI remember when you said you made the mistake also....... So did I along with Ace. The sexual side effects can be a pain, but it's hard to even approach a girl with the anxiety Nardil kills.
I didn't think I could lose weight on Nardil but I have been able to lose 5 pounds and keep it off for the last 3 months...
Anyway good luck on whatever you do
Nick
Posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 23:07:39
In reply to ace your a good mate but, posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 22:59:50
did topamax cause you sexual side effets? what kind of dosage where you taken
thank you
ross
Posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 23:11:49
In reply to Re: no it does not guys. grow up! thats very insecure , posted by cosis on June 29, 2003, at 23:03:12
thanks guys really. i consider you guys brothers. and yes nardil was the best i ever took. serous the best!!!!!!!!!! by far. but i cannot take the side effects and we are nopt talking just sexual here. we are talking the whole gammut.........
Posted by ace on June 29, 2003, at 23:39:18
In reply to thank you everyone t-minus 2 days to launch , posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 23:11:49
Ross,
For the anorgasmia, you might have tried these but maybe not....1. Bethanachol (50mg before sexual activity or 100mg day)
2. Periactin 4mg (be careful- can cause insomnia OCD depression)
3. Viagra
There is plenty more man. I agree- the anorgasmia is a pain, but Nardil makes me feel so good! I might start trying some new stuff for it- there is plenty I just forgot.
If you lower your Nardil to 60mg?
What about Parnate?- no sexual s/effects usually.I remember Nardil got you out of hospital, I don't want to see you relapse.
Take Care Ross, and if you do stop I hope the new drug works out.
Ace.
Posted by Carlos on June 30, 2003, at 0:48:20
In reply to Ross: Have you tried these bro?, posted by ace on June 29, 2003, at 23:39:18
As far as a killing my anxiety and depression Nardil rocks my world like no other! just had to chime in :) I seriously hope your new med(s) can offer you relief. Best wishes.
-Carlos
Posted by djmmm on June 30, 2003, at 10:55:32
In reply to djmmm, posted by ross co on June 29, 2003, at 21:19:54
> hey bro. no offense but here your wrong. i do well on the ssri's. sorry you dont. plus dont come across like you know more than me ok? ive been in the hospital 8 times since i was born. bi-polar wise and i have every medical web site and i sit down and talk with my psych and we enjoy the time. PREGABALIN will be a blockbuster i will get on in 3 months.
> rossI don't pretend to know more than anyone, I'm sorry if the tone of my post lead you to believe that.
It's sad that you have been hospitalized 8 times; I'm not going to start a "hospital stay", "who is the sickest" competition with you, or anyone for that matter. I was just speaking my mind (or typing as the case my be)
I thought the point of this forum was to exchange ideas/thoughts gained through PERSONAL experience. I thought I was doing that.
Having "every" medical web-site is of no importance to me, as is a psychiatrists's explaination of side-effects (since 99% of the time, they have never taken the medications the prescribe) I have been on 4 out of the 7 you plan to be on.
I hope Pregabalin is a blockbuster for you, and I hope you get better (as I have) I am confused that you have singled out pregabalin as a drug that I am somehow "against" (for lack of a better word)...My point was that, I can assure you that any combination of 7 medications is going to cause more side-effects (including the sexual side-effects you experienced with other meds) than the medication you quit...And you did quit an effective medication because of side-effects (sexual)
So, maybe I do know at least one thing more than you, I know what it's like to no longer struggle with depression and social anxiety, and be medication free.
Again, I'm sorry if anything I have expressed to you is offensive.
also...responding to your post about topamax, yes, for me it caused impotence, and dysnomia so severe I was almost a mute, and lowering the dosage from 400 mgs back to 200mgs relieved these symptoms, but did not prevent me from having seizures.
good luck
djmmm
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