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Posted by ross c on March 14, 2003, at 22:42:56
been on nardil for a year now and it has changed my life. yes i only post sometime on this thread because it is good to stay away and chart your daily progress alone. ive been on meds my whole life ( 36 ) years old and been inpatient 8 times. luckily no ECT for me yet. ok heres my deal with OCD.
we all respond differently to all medications. this is common. when i was 25 i re-devolped obsessions that where completly unreal. i went inpatient to Hampton hospital in new jersey here and one of the most prominent doctors, dr.charles dackis who wrote the commercial " this is drugs" " this is your brain on drugs" and many books on psychiatry. well he placed me on Anafranil and tritrated me up to the full 250mgs and added lithium 1200mgs. at that present time benzo's in hospitals where a no-no.
within my 5 week stay the anafranil cleared up my depression fully and almost fully cleared up my OCD problems.
the thing with OCD is if you have it you are always going to have some symptoms no matter what you take. believe me ive been on all the ssri's etc.. and still had some obsessions. its inbreed in you and you must learn to deal with it and live with it. medicine helps but it will NEVER clear all the symptoms of OCD.
this message is intended for a certain someone who i think is getting obsessed with his medications and needs to take a step back and work on the issues at hand through therapy....
good luck to him and good luck to all.
i take Nardil for depression and social anxiety.
at 75mgs with 2.5mgs bid of Zyprexa and 2400mgs of neurontin and 1mg QID of klonopin seems to be working and complementing each other......
ross
Posted by ace on March 15, 2003, at 4:59:36
In reply to Nardil is the best but for OCD Anafranil is the be, posted by ross c on March 14, 2003, at 22:42:56
> been on nardil for a year now and it has changed my life. yes i only post sometime on this thread because it is good to stay away and chart your daily progress alone. ive been on meds my whole life ( 36 ) years old and been inpatient 8 times. luckily no ECT for me yet. ok heres my deal with OCD.
> we all respond differently to all medications. this is common. when i was 25 i re-devolped obsessions that where completly unreal. i went inpatient to Hampton hospital in new jersey here and one of the most prominent doctors, dr.charles dackis who wrote the commercial " this is drugs" " this is your brain on drugs" and many books on psychiatry. well he placed me on Anafranil and tritrated me up to the full 250mgs and added lithium 1200mgs. at that present time benzo's in hospitals where a no-no.
> within my 5 week stay the anafranil cleared up my depression fully and almost fully cleared up my OCD problems.
> the thing with OCD is if you have it you are always going to have some symptoms no matter what you take. believe me ive been on all the ssri's etc.. and still had some obsessions. its inbreed in you and you must learn to deal with it and live with it. medicine helps but it will NEVER clear all the symptoms of OCD.
> this message is intended for a certain someone who i think is getting obsessed with his medications and needs to take a step back and work on the issues at hand through therapy....if this message is intended for me Ross why don't you say so? If not say so again. Sorry but I think you're views are contadictory and questionable. Hey Ross, you said everyone reacts differently to medicine? Good point, that's why you shouldn't go around spouting such nonsense as no one ever gets 100% relief from OCD from meds. I KNOW MANY, who have had their OCD 100% removed with a med. BTW, therapy makes my stomach turn and it is starting to piss me off that some people on a page especially dedicated to pharmacological treatment are recommending it to me. NARDIL, MY BELOVED, DEAR MORE FOR ME IN 6 WEEKS THAN 'THERAPY' DID IN 3 YEARS. Thanks for your concern, but if you want me to suffer more get me to do some 'psychotherapy'
FOR PSYCHIATRIC ILLNESS, NOT PERSONALITY D/O'S IT IS NONSENSE, IMO. I HAVE SAID THIS A LOT, AND ALWAYS SAID IT WAS MY OPINION, SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ANY MORE, OK?.> good luck to him and good luck to all.
> i take Nardil for depression and social anxiety.
> at 75mgs with 2.5mgs bid of Zyprexa and 2400mgs of neurontin and 1mg QID of klonopin seems to be working and complementing each other......
> rossThanks to those who can appreciate and congratulate my happiness, and I'm sorry if you are annoyed or jealous and have to try to 'warn' me against only meds - you guys know who you are.
ACE (Andrew) THE AUSTRALIAN HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF AUSTRALIA (WHO THINKS PSYCHOTHERAPY IS A CROCK OF CRAP) - FOREVER.
NARDIL, 90MG.
Posted by Jack Smith on March 15, 2003, at 19:03:19
In reply to Re: IF THAT 'ME' IS ME ROSS, I DISAGREE 100% » ross c, posted by ace on March 15, 2003, at 4:59:36
Posted by ace on March 15, 2003, at 20:38:54
In reply to What if it poops out? (nm), posted by Jack Smith on March 15, 2003, at 19:03:19
Posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 14:57:07
In reply to i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon (nm) » Jack Smith, posted by ace on March 15, 2003, at 20:38:54
I happens to many of us on meds for long periods.
I have been on them over 20 years. The TCA's as a class pooped out on my after working for 7 years.
Posted by Jack Smith on March 16, 2003, at 16:11:22
In reply to i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 14:57:07
Posted by jumpy on March 16, 2003, at 17:38:44
In reply to i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 14:57:07
> I happens to many of us on meds for long periods.
> I have been on them over 20 years. The TCA's as a class pooped out on my after working for 7 years.This is scary for me to think, but I am starting to believe that "poop out" does not exist either. Well, the drug may stop helping the depression, but I think it is because the depression is getting worse. Just like any other disease like diabetes or hypertension, as time pasts, some people need more medications to control them. The drugs still work to some degree, but the disease is outpacing them.
Part of the reason I say this, although I have NO SCIENTIFIC basis for this, is my side effect profile stays the exact same. Maybe if the side effect wore off too as the antidepressant effect stopped, I would believe that the drug is "pooping out". But for me, I still have all the side effect, saying to me that the drug is still doing the exact same thing. Just the depression is getting worse.
What do you guys think?
Jumpy
Posted by ace on March 16, 2003, at 20:51:09
In reply to i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 14:57:07
Poop-out IMO represents a phenomenological problem. Also IMO their is no change in the drugs action or pharmacology.
I believe that people get used to the benifits of the drug and then, like all humans, they seek more and more. The panic attacks that were (sill are) helped by the medication are now 'coming back' because the person is really listening in. Same with the depression. Essentially the patient, after initial relief becomes greedy for more, this greediness represents poop out. So the drug is still helping a lot but there 'is always something better on the other side' People who have drugs poop out after months are never going to be satisfied with moderate responses, they need 100% or the med will 'poop-out' People who are very glad for their response, depending on how long they are appreciative, can not poop out for years, or ever. Get it? Sort of? I could have articulated it better.
Also St. James makes a very good, intelligent point I never thought about -- who's to say the illness is not getting worse.
This is why we all have to go for 100% relief.
Ace.
Posted by ace on March 16, 2003, at 20:52:20
In reply to Poop out as phenomenological prob -NOT medical one, posted by ace on March 16, 2003, at 20:51:09
Posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 23:29:01
In reply to Re: I don't either » stjames, posted by jumpy on March 16, 2003, at 17:38:44
> This is scary for me to think, but I am starting to believe that "poop out" does not exist either. Well, the drug may stop helping the depression, but I think it is because the depression is getting worse. Just like any other disease like diabetes or hypertension, as time pasts, some people need more medications to control them. The drugs still work to some degree, but the disease is outpacing them.
>
> Part of the reason I say this, although I have NO SCIENTIFIC basis for this, is my side effect profile stays the exact same. Maybe if the side effect wore off too as the antidepressant effect stopped, I would believe that the drug is "pooping out". But for me, I still have all the side effect, saying to me that the drug is still doing the exact same thing. Just the depression is getting worse.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> JumpyMy 20 + years of bing on AD's and having actually had poop out (as aposed to reading about it)
indicates you don't understand this at all and your assumpions are incorrect.
Posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 23:35:40
In reply to i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 14:57:07
"poop out in antidepressants"
Lots of info
Posted by Questionmark on March 17, 2003, at 1:12:20
In reply to Poop out as phenomenological prob -NOT medical one, posted by ace on March 16, 2003, at 20:51:09
i do believe poop out occurs. For one thing, i have seen tolerance to all drugs occur, which is essentially just the process of poop-out. And secondly, it would seem to make sense neurophysiologically, too, because the brain receptors can eventually up- or down-regulate over time in the continuous presence of a drug. This could result in normalizing of the neurotransmitter system involved, and hence, poop out.
Posted by ace on March 17, 2003, at 1:31:36
In reply to Poop out, posted by Questionmark on March 17, 2003, at 1:12:20
Posted by ace on March 17, 2003, at 19:00:23
In reply to up or down regulation is good but (nm), posted by ace on March 17, 2003, at 1:31:36
Posted by jumpy on March 18, 2003, at 2:08:07
In reply to i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 16, 2003, at 14:57:07
> I happens to many of us on meds for long periods.
> I have been on them over 20 years. The TCA's as a class pooped out on my after working for 7 years.Maybe your depression got worse, and the TCA's no longer were powerful enough. Did all you side effects "poop out" to? If they didn't, then the TCA was probably working the same as before, just the depression got worse.
Jumpy
Posted by stjames on March 18, 2003, at 10:43:44
In reply to Re: i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon » stjames, posted by jumpy on March 18, 2003, at 2:08:07
> Maybe your depression got worse, and the TCA's no longer were powerful enough. Did all you side effects "poop out" to? If they didn't, then the TCA was probably working the same as before, just the depression got worse.
>
> JumpyMore shots in the dark, off mark.
I am done with this thread
Posted by ace on March 18, 2003, at 18:50:43
In reply to Re: i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 18, 2003, at 10:43:44
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 18, 2003, at 20:53:55
In reply to Re: i don't believe in this 'poop-out' phenomenon, posted by stjames on March 18, 2003, at 10:43:44
> More shots in the dark, off mark.
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks.
Bob
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