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Posted by HIBA on February 17, 2003, at 3:16:57
What a surprise! I began to take ten capsules of cod liver oil twenty days ago and for the first time since ten years of time, I am feeling morning erections and nocturnal penile tumescence for the past five days. Was my brain lacking fish oil all these years to function properly ? I hope I can give up my prozac and keep taking this wonderful stuff. My mood is very much improved. Is there anyone in this board with a similar story. The return of my normal penile function really makes me euphoric. I thought it could be situational, but the past functional five days are really convincing!!
HIBA
Posted by ArthurGibson on February 17, 2003, at 6:31:53
In reply to FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by HIBA on February 17, 2003, at 3:16:57
You didn't believe me, but it had the same effect on me and it does not wear off.
However I manage on a lot less than 10 capsuals a day. Try cutting it down a bit, or you might end up with too much vitimin A in your system and your bones will start to break.
Posted by Patient on February 17, 2003, at 12:44:41
In reply to FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by HIBA on February 17, 2003, at 3:16:57
Hmmm, ten capsules. Arthur is right in watching how much vitamin A you are getting from the Cod Liver oil.
Taking over 100,000 international units daily over long periods can be toxic to the body, mainly the liver. Toxic levels of vitamin A are associated with abdominal pain, amenorrhea, well I don't think you'd experience this, enlargement of the liver and/or spleen, gastrointestinal disturbances, hair loss, itching, joint pain, nausea and vomiting, elevated liver enzymes, and small cracks and scales on the lips and at the corners of the mouth.
You are also getting vitamin D from Cod Liver oil. Vitamin D has properties of both a vitamin and a hormone. You should take calcium with vitamin D. Vitamin D and calcium must be in a balanced ratio. Taking excessive amounts of Vitamin D (over 1,000 IUs) daily may cause a decrease in bone mass. Toxicity may result from taking over 65,000 IUs of vitamin D over a period of two years. Calcium can be taken between meals. I like calcium citrate form best as it is easiest absorbed in the body.
Both of these vitamins are very helpful for the body. Older people that stay inside as well as most folks during winter time do not get enough vitamin D, the sunshine vitamin. Just make sure you know how much you are getting from your supplements.
Glad you got your libido back! I'll have to look more into this.
Posted by Thomas123 on February 17, 2003, at 13:22:01
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!! » HIBA, posted by Patient on February 17, 2003, at 12:44:41
Dale Alexander Omega-3 fish oils have no vitamin A or D. At least this is what the label says.
Posted by noa on February 17, 2003, at 13:39:44
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by Thomas123 on February 17, 2003, at 13:22:01
Yes, because of the high vitamin A and D content in cod liver oil, I agree that fish oil rather than fish liver oil might be a good choice. Glad you're feeling better.
Posted by FredPotter on February 17, 2003, at 15:42:44
In reply to Told you so!! » HIBA, posted by ArthurGibson on February 17, 2003, at 6:31:53
I've noticed the same thing regarding penile tumescence (aka ability to get it up) and this seems attributable to fish oil. It has not been the wonder ingredient for my atypical depression and anxiety though
Posted by Patient on February 17, 2003, at 19:26:48
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by Thomas123 on February 17, 2003, at 13:22:01
I was doing some checking, and the main difference between fish oil and cod liver oil is that there is much less vitamin D in fish oil. That makes sense since the liver is the source for the cod oil, and you'd find higher concentrations of this vitamin as well as vitamin A from this organ, but especially of vitamin D. Are these vitamins the reason for the penile erections I wonder? Could be.
You are getting a good amount of omega-3 essential fatty acids from your fish oil. Most Americans get a lot of omega-6 fatty acids, since its source is found in many vegetable oils, but we don't get much omega-6 in the diet, which is found mainly from deepwater fish, fish oil, and certain vegetable oils, such as flaxseed oil and walnut oil. Then again, most of the oils Americans ingest are heated and heat destroys EFA's.
Posted by Patient on February 17, 2003, at 19:31:27
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!! » Thomas123, posted by Patient on February 17, 2003, at 19:26:48
> I was doing some checking, and the main difference between fish oil and cod liver oil is that there is much less vitamin D in fish oil. That makes sense since the liver is the source for the cod oil, and you'd find higher concentrations of this vitamin as well as vitamin A from this organ, but especially of vitamin D. Are these vitamins the reason for the penile erections I wonder? Could be.
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> You are getting a good amount of omega-3 essential fatty acids from your fish oil. Most Americans get a lot of omega-6 fatty acids, since its source is found in many vegetable oils, but we don't get much omega-6 in the diet, which is found mainly from deepwater fish, fish oil, and certain vegetable oils, such as flaxseed oil and walnut oil. Then again, most of the oils Americans ingest are heated and heat destroys EFA's.
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I'm getting my 3's and 6's mixed up. "but we don't get much omega-6", should be omega-3.
Posted by HIBA on February 18, 2003, at 2:15:07
In reply to Told you so!! » HIBA, posted by ArthurGibson on February 17, 2003, at 6:31:53
Thanks to all for your invaluable advises.I am taking Ten capsules of Cod Liver oil(Seven Seas is the only available brand here in this locality). The manufacture recommended dosage is six capsules daily with a warning not to exceed. But the recommendation is as a dietary supplement and not to treat depression or anxiety. So I think it makes sense to take an extra four or five capsules for a specific purpose. However, I am very much concerned of the dangers of high vitamin intake. Cod liver oil is enriched in vitamin A and D. But a lowering of the current dosage may sometimes reduce the efficacy and that is what I am more concerned of, especially at this stage as I am all set to withdraw Prozac,the scariest drug of psychotropics(FOR ME). Will there be any problem in continuing this regimen for the next couple of months and go back to manufacture recommended dosage ? Because it will take at least two months to recover from prozac.
Penile tumescence is still surprising me. I don't think any of those vitamins make the difference here, because I have consumed a lot of vitamins in the form of capsules and tablets with no effect. I had lost nocturnal and morning erections completely since the first episode of major depression. And after ten years, and right after fifteen days of fish oil intake, now there is noticable penile tumescence and morning erections. Night and morning erections have something to do with brain, and my so far dysfunctional organ confirms that fact. I have heard that there is one substance called CAVIAR in the Middle East which is being used for improved erections, and despite it's high cost many people try it with success. Caviar is a deep sea fish egg. I don't know the details. But all these indicate there could be some substances in the deep sea fish that can enhance sexual performance of males (perhaps of females too).
Improved mood and organic function is what I am looking for and I am readily obtaining those from a so far neglected, perhaps innocuous substance. So I think I have enough reason to continue it. Any suggestions please !!
HIBA
Posted by Tepiaca on February 18, 2003, at 12:05:57
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by noa on February 17, 2003, at 13:39:44
When I started taking Emulsion Scott (Cod liver oil ) I was feeling great , It was amazing , my life change completely , but I heard all the things about the excess of vitamin in cod liver so I decided to try just fish oil . Now Im taking
Mega EPA -1000 from GNC , Im not having the same results that I had from the cod liver oil , I dont know why . Maybe its take time . Does anybody knows why this is happen ? Maybe I need to try another brand . Or maybe its better to take liquid fish oil than pills.I dont know
Good luck guys
Tepiaca
Posted by Peter S. on February 18, 2003, at 12:22:39
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by Tepiaca on February 18, 2003, at 12:05:57
I've just started Carlson's liquid fish oil. Consumer Labs reports that the amount of EPA listed on the label is accurate. Many Other fish oils tested were not accurate. I'll report my results. Crossing my fingers!
Posted by Thomas123 on February 18, 2003, at 13:15:17
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by Tepiaca on February 18, 2003, at 12:05:57
The vitamin D might be psychoactive. I think vitamin D brightens mood. Still one never knows hows much vitamin D and vitamin A one is getting when one takes cod liver oil. Twin Lab's has a fish oil omega-3 product with no vitamin D or A. One could then add on vitamin D.
All supplements can be ordered over the Internet. So there is no need to take cod liver oil assuming one believes fish oils are best.
I think the best policy is to take a mulitminerl/vitamin supplement with the fish oils. A multimineral/vitamin supplement will have some vitamin D.
I have this tic in regards to multimineral/vitamin supplements. I divide them up and take them throughout the day. I think this helps.
I also take additional calcium and magnesium.
I think nothing alone works all that well but a broad range supplement with fish oils added helps.
Posted by noa on February 18, 2003, at 15:38:56
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by Peter S. on February 18, 2003, at 12:22:39
I take Carlson's, too. To me it seems relatively cost--efficient, and it also has absolutely no fishy taste, and no fishy burps. Extra bonus for me is no animal gelatin (I eat fish but no fowl or meat).
Posted by Peter S. on February 18, 2003, at 16:34:36
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!! » Peter S., posted by noa on February 18, 2003, at 15:38:56
Hi noa,
Does it work for you?
> I take Carlson's, too. To me it seems relatively cost--efficient, and it also has absolutely no fishy taste, and no fishy burps. Extra bonus for me is no animal gelatin (I eat fish but no fowl or meat).
Posted by IsoM on February 18, 2003, at 17:21:09
In reply to FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by HIBA on February 17, 2003, at 3:16:57
HIBA, & any one else reading this, it'll depend on how much vitamin A & D are in your capsules. Many labs make cod liver oil capsules in varying strengths. It's perfectly safe to get 20,000 IU of vitamin D & 2,000 D daily. The RDA of vitamin D especially is now thought to be far too low. Vitamin D has been found to have additional benefits & like one poster mentioned (I forget who) D works more as a hormone than vitamin. Just make sure you take enough vitamin E when you take any higher amounts of fat in your diet - good or bad fats. And as noa (I think) mentioned, sufficient calcium & magnesium balance out your intake of D nicely.
Bone breakage from too much vitamin A is possible but the levels mentioned are 25,000 IU - 50,000 IU per day or more for long periods. I also wonder if too much A coupled with not enough D has adversely affected bone density. Many supplements have a fair amount of A but little D & there are supplements available of high amounts of vitamin A with no D at all. I wish the level of vitamin D was also checked in these men's blood. There may be other factors that have put those who take excessive vitamin A at risk. I know my intake of A & D is quite high (but not excessive) & my bone density is excellent.
Posted by Creaky_Neurons on February 18, 2003, at 17:51:04
In reply to FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by HIBA on February 17, 2003, at 3:16:57
this all sounds too good to be true... Omegabrite has not given me erections. So uh, exactly what are you guys doing with this oil?
anyway, it's hard to pin-point what fish oils feel like, but they're part of the deal for me now. they synergize with other meds extremely well i think. i think the beneficial effects may accumulate over time as more and more omegas are incorporated into the brain.
and apparently, the body.
Posted by mattdds on February 18, 2003, at 21:01:31
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by Creaky_Neurons on February 18, 2003, at 17:51:04
Hi all,
This is great that some of you are getting a response to fish oil.
Can you tell me what it is you're feeling? Besides the "morning wood", which by the way is hilarious (but cool). Sounds like a good Beavis and Butthead episode.
I tried Duane/Reade brand fish oil for a couple weeks but did not feel a damn bit of difference, at all.
What is the correct "dose" to feel this response?
Thanks,
Matt
Posted by ArthurGibson on February 19, 2003, at 9:05:11
In reply to Re: FISH OIL: Penile Tumescence » ArthurGibson, posted by HIBA on February 18, 2003, at 2:15:07
Well that's what I did. Weaned off the PROZAC while taking fish oil. To be honest I don't know how much I take, I just take a swig of the neat bottled cod liver oil each morning and hope for the best. I found it improved my vision as well.
I think that people like you an I are just short of something in the oil.
However I will say that about three or four days after I stop taking it I do notice a difference and I get more moody.
Try the raw oil like I do, its cheap and tastes great!!
I am five months off the PROZAC and under great stress, but there is no need to take the PROZAC any more.
Posted by JohnV on February 19, 2003, at 9:46:52
In reply to Re: FISH OIL: Penile Tumescence » ArthurGibson, posted by HIBA on February 18, 2003, at 2:15:07
Hi:Well, I am going to embark on the "Cod Liver Oil" journey, and wanted to know if you could tell me anything about amounts (mg's..grams??), and how many capsules, and how you divide them up over the day. I have the same problem with lack of nighttime and morning erections, and it all seemed to start when my depression hit full force AND I started medication. I tried Salmon Oil, with little change, but have read Cod Liver Oil has very specific effects. Thanks for your help:
John (the "V" one:-)
Posted by male34 on February 19, 2003, at 16:38:22
In reply to Re: FISH OIL: Penile Tumescence » ArthurGibson, posted by HIBA on February 18, 2003, at 2:15:07
it must be omega not cod liver flax, heres a great book to get paper back aouther earl mindell vitamin bible or supplement bible, he tells a story"why fish are happy" check it out,
Posted by noa on February 21, 2003, at 7:47:29
In reply to Re: FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!))noa, posted by Peter S. on February 18, 2003, at 16:34:36
Yes, Peter. I think it does work for me. I noticed a difference in about a week to 10 days. I don't know how it works on its own. I take a bunch of other medication. I was having a recurrence of worse depression and then started the fish oil, and I feel it helped the episode pass faster.
Posted by HIBA on February 21, 2003, at 22:46:51
In reply to Re: FISH OIL: Penile Tumescence..Question » HIBA, posted by JohnV on February 19, 2003, at 9:46:52
Hi John,Sorry for this delayed response. I am taking cod liver oil (Brand is Seven Seas) I take ten capsules and feel okay. The ingredient of one capsule is 0.32 ml of cod liver oil plus vitamin A and D. I take 5 capsules in the morning in empty stomach and the same amount in the evening while my stomach is still empty. Drugs work better when you take them while your stomach is empty. Improvement is so great that I am feeling my old adolescent self once again (I am 33 now). Much improved mood with Zero side effects. Erection is so hard, that my wife is getting surprised. And after all a better control over my ejaculation also, mainly because I am getting aroused and erected without much foreplay, and consequently ejaculation is being controlled. I have nothing to say but only very positive effects. Remember it took two weeks to show the benefits, so you will have to wait.
Good luck to you, take care
HIBA
Posted by Serio on February 23, 2003, at 8:05:19
In reply to FISH OIL : Yes it really works great!!, posted by HIBA on February 17, 2003, at 3:16:57
Swigging Cod Liver Oil is not recommended. 'Cod Liver Oil' is not the same thing as 'Fish oil'. Vitamin A is stored in the liver and be extremely concetrated in the livers of fish and animals that feed on them such as polar bears. Because Vit. A and D are not water soluble like B and C Vitamins they can accumulate and cause severe toxicity reactions.
Toxicity
Vitamin A is not excreted, so overdoses can produce toxic affects. In adults, prolonged 50,000-100,000 iu per day can cause transient hydrocephalus; vomiting; weight loss; joint pain; stunted growth; vague abdominal pain; irritability; bone abnormalities; amenhorrea; nausea and gastrointestinal disturbances; itching; anorexia; cracking, drying, scaling and bleeding lips; fissures at the corners of the mouth; headaches and intracranial hypertension; enlargement of the spleen, liver or lymph nodes; hair loss; and liver enlargement. In animals, overdoses during pregnancy result in congenital malformations. In humans, the risk of birth defects may occur with maternal doses of 31,818 to 36,364 iu for a 100-pound woman. Toxicity symptoms are more pronounced in children than adults. Excessive intake of beta-carotene does not appear to be toxic, but carotenemia (a yellowish discoloration of the skin) may occur. The condition has no adverse effects and disappears when carotene intake is reduced. Supplementing the diet with 50,000 IU or more of vitamin A daily may result in toxicity.Overall I'd have to recommend a high grade vegatable source such as a Flax-Borage combination along with granular Soy lecithin (an emulsifier) to facilitate absorption. Its safer, cheaper, has no odour, and contains natural beta carotene. Lecithin is by the way the major componet of the myelin sheath which degrades in such conditions as parkinsons and alzheimers disease.
Posted by HIBA on February 23, 2003, at 23:08:13
In reply to WARNING: Cod Liver Oil and Vit. A-D Toxiticy!, posted by Serio on February 23, 2003, at 8:05:19
Cod Liver oil is being used by thousands (if not millions)here in this locality. I am in Middle East now. I think "Seven Seas Cod Liver Oil" has been available here for more than three decades and if there ever was a toxic reaction to this substance, this capsules will have been banned without any doubt. (One brand of Olive oil which came from Spain is recently banned here because of the reported carcinogenic effects, so the authorities are not blind here not to see the adverse effects of food and drugs) The manufacturer recommended dosage of Cod Liver Oil is 6 capsules daily, and I am simply exceeding that limit to get an additional benefit, as the manufacturer recommendation is as a dietary supplement.
It is hard to digest the opinion that,dietary supplements are extremely toxic while majority of other chemical compounds are widely being hailed as safe. After reading some threads in this forum, I am being forced to jump to a conclusion that food supplements are more toxic than prescription medicines. Is there anything sinister going on ?
I appreciate the views and concerns of others over the vitamin toxicity. But as many as millions of vegetarians around the world are daily consuming more Vitamin A without any adverse effects. In India Brahmins are consuming huge amounts Vitamin A as they are pure vegetarians and the vegetables available in India are enriched with Vitamin A. Still they are the most healthy guys with a high life expectancy (at least in India). What should I believe ? Where is the truth ?
HIBA
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