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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
I just wanted to give an "eye opener" to all you INCESSANT PILL-POPPERS who would rather take ANY DAMN DRUG (even if it will more than likely SEVERELY dissable your mind / body, or even KILL YOU!!!!!!!!!!) rather than actually DEALING with your problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, to all you people who are taking an ANTIPSYCHOTIC for friggin' ANXIETY. . . you are SO DAMN SCREWED UP I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know who should be on "Neuroleptic" medications: People who are ACTUALLY PSYCHOTIC. . . PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know what EVERYONE on this board needs, rather than this COMPULSIVE urge to try EVERY DAMN PILL NEW ON THE MARKET?????????????????:
JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With Jesus on your side do you even KNOW what you'll get???????????????????????1) You'll ABSOLUTELY LOSE YOUR FEAR OF DEATH!!!!!!
(That's right, I would personally lay it ALL on the line for JESUS. . . ANYTIME, any-friggin'-where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
2) You'll have an ETERNAL PURPOSE for living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Without all the DAMN DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
3) You'll lose ALL your ANXIETY, without ANY side-effects, that's right. . . NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4) You'll realize that YOU really don't HAVE it ALL THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Especially when you learn what JESUS had to go through for 33 years . . . just for YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
5) You'll be filled with God's HOLY SPIRIT!!!!! (And the HOLY SPIRIT is a Spirit of COURAGE, LOVE, and POWER. . . NOT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)If YOU want a PERSONAL relationship with JESUS CHRIST, I encourage you to read "The Case for Christ" (by: Lee Strobel), and that goes for YOU TOO Dr. Bob!!!!!!!!!!!
I GUARANTEE YOU your life will NEVER be the SAME again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PRAISE JESUS' HOLY NAME FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And quit all the DAMN pills. . . don't you people even REALIZE that you're WORSE than OZZY - FRIGGIN'-OSBOURNE????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Posted by megg on February 13, 2003, at 5:44:49
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
To anyone who read this post- Please don't take it personally- This guy slipped in and had some nasty things to say, and for the christians who read this post, don't take it personally either. Only you know the relationship you have with christ. And for those of different faith, don't take offense, this guy is problably having faith issues and feels he needs to over compensate. Don't take this message for a grain of salt, this guy is just a blabbermouth. Who may need to be on meds himself SMILE! ei
Posted by Bipolarsux on February 13, 2003, at 7:52:22
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
(Preamble: Dr Bob, please forgive my response here - sometimes, against my better judgement, I just can't supress my sense of humor. I'm sure you will deal with this thread appropriately.)
> I just wanted to give an "eye opener" to all you INCESSANT PILL-POPPERS who would rather take ANY DAMN DRUG (even if it will more than likely SEVERELY dissable your mind / body, or even KILL YOU!!!!!!!!!!) rather than actually DEALING with your problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're right!!! I should've known all along that I had to face my problem - people who tell me how to fix my problems! Time to get started...
>I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Writer's block can be difficult, but you overcame it with style.
> Do you know who should be on "Neuroleptic" medications: People who are ACTUALLY PSYCHOTIC. . . PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that include those suffering religious delusions or those deluding themselves by having no religion?
> You know what EVERYONE on this board needs, rather than this COMPULSIVE urge to try EVERY DAMN PILL NEW ON THE MARKET?????????????????:
A cure?
>
> JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Difference in opinion noted, but I still think I was right the first time.
>
> With Jesus on your side do you even KNOW what you'll get???????????????????????Please don't keep me in suspense!
> 1) You'll ABSOLUTELY LOSE YOUR FEAR OF DEATH!!!!!!Doh! I was hoping for something like, "You'll regain your love of life!" I guess making suicide easier counts for something, though.
> (That's right, I would personally lay it ALL on the line for JESUS. . . ANYTIME, any-friggin'-where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Be careful...I hear he dosen't like to be tempted.
> 2) You'll have an ETERNAL PURPOSE for living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Without all the DAMN DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I appreciate your generosity, but really, a temporary purpose for living will suit me fine. Maybe one that would last just as long as I live? That's probably more within my budget.
> 3) You'll lose ALL your ANXIETY, without ANY side-effects, that's right. . . NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds better than a new all-in-one home gym! Do the first 100 callers get a free set of steak knives with this amazing gift?
> 4) You'll realize that YOU really don't HAVE it ALL THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Especially when you learn what JESUS had to go through for 33 years . . . just for YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)"just" for me? I didn't know he had such a low opinion of me. I'll have to discuss this with him next time we meet.
> If YOU want a PERSONAL relationship with JESUS CHRIST, I encourage you to read "The Case for Christ" (by: Lee Strobel), and that goes for YOU TOO Dr. Bob!!!!!!!!!!!I find it difficult to have a personal relationship with a dead dude. Come to think of it, if he does start talking to me I think I will go to the pdoc and suggest I am suffering auditory hallucinations.
> I GUARANTEE YOU your life will NEVER be the SAME again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or I get my pills back free of charge?
> (And quit all the DAMN pills. . . don't you people even REALIZE that you're WORSE than OZZY - FRIGGIN'-OSBOURNE????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)At least he seems like he is enjoying his life: if he is 'bad,' I am definitely 'worse'. Ozzy! Show me the way out!
Posted by whitman on February 13, 2003, at 8:23:56
In reply to Mmmmm....pills....., posted by Bipolarsux on February 13, 2003, at 7:52:22
Thank you bipolarsux!!! I got so agitated when I read this guys post I wish I still had a klonopin!! But your response made me laugh so hard that I didn't need to call my pdoc begging for more friggin pills. To you who thinks we are so screwed up because we need meds to maintain some sort of quality of life, you sound a little manic to me and might want to skip the church today and call a doctor!!!
Posted by Rainee on February 13, 2003, at 8:52:30
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
Now there,
If you really wanted to get your point across a softer way would be more appropriate.
Please don't Use the Lord to hide behind your obvious issues with people taking medication for disorders. You have no idea what you are talking about. Please don't post here with garbage like that. and also people like you are the reason why so many me included don't go to church.
I think you need a pill for your anger or perhaps a good round of golf?
I bet your the type that throws your clubs..lol
please get a life.Cheerfully,
Rainee
Posted by cosis on February 13, 2003, at 8:59:33
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
> I just wanted to give an "eye opener" to all you INCESSANT PILL-POPPERS who would rather take ANY DAMN DRUG (even if it will more than likely SEVERELY dissable your mind / body, or even KILL YOU!!!!!!!!!!) rather than actually DEALING with your problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I mean, to all you people who are taking an ANTIPSYCHOTIC for friggin' ANXIETY. . . you are SO DAMN SCREWED UP I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Do you know who should be on "Neuroleptic" medications: People who are ACTUALLY PSYCHOTIC. . . PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> You know what EVERYONE on this board needs, rather than this COMPULSIVE urge to try EVERY DAMN PILL NEW ON THE MARKET?????????????????:
>
>
> JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> With Jesus on your side do you even KNOW what you'll get???????????????????????
>
> 1) You'll ABSOLUTELY LOSE YOUR FEAR OF DEATH!!!!!!
> (That's right, I would personally lay it ALL on the line for JESUS. . . ANYTIME, any-friggin'-where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
> 2) You'll have an ETERNAL PURPOSE for living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Without all the DAMN DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
> 3) You'll lose ALL your ANXIETY, without ANY side-effects, that's right. . . NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 4) You'll realize that YOU really don't HAVE it ALL THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Especially when you learn what JESUS had to go through for 33 years . . . just for YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
> 5) You'll be filled with God's HOLY SPIRIT!!!!! (And the HOLY SPIRIT is a Spirit of COURAGE, LOVE, and POWER. . . NOT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
>
> If YOU want a PERSONAL relationship with JESUS CHRIST, I encourage you to read "The Case for Christ" (by: Lee Strobel), and that goes for YOU TOO Dr. Bob!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I GUARANTEE YOU your life will NEVER be the SAME again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> PRAISE JESUS' HOLY NAME FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> (And quit all the DAMN pills. . . don't you people even REALIZE that you're WORSE than OZZY - FRIGGIN'-OSBOURNE????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)Sounds like you need some pills!!
Posted by essence on February 13, 2003, at 9:03:41
In reply to Mmmmm....pills....., posted by Bipolarsux on February 13, 2003, at 7:52:22
Posted by dreamerz on February 13, 2003, at 9:05:56
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
That's a pretty post all them exclamation marks..not very civil though.
delete bob o doc--and this postxxxx
Posted by rayww on February 13, 2003, at 11:02:08
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
Do you know someone personally who uses pills rather than faces reality? Is it because they are not able to face the reality? If so, perhaps they need the medication.
In your opinion, how does one go back and fix life's problems? Everyone makes mistakes and suffers natural consequenses of their own and other's mistakes.
You have seriously over-generalized in your spiritual explosion. Once you have calmed and become more "Christ-like" you might try to deal with some of your "surfacing" issues. We are here to help, but don't appreciate being put down. These are people, not just topics.
Posted by stjames on February 13, 2003, at 11:03:43
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
Posted by tina on February 13, 2003, at 11:10:52
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
Posted by stillLD on February 13, 2003, at 11:46:16
In reply to Mmmmm....pills....., posted by Bipolarsux on February 13, 2003, at 7:52:22
You are too funny- thanks I really needed that bipolarsux. ;)
Posted by Greg on February 13, 2003, at 17:29:51
In reply to Mmmmm....pills....., posted by Bipolarsux on February 13, 2003, at 7:52:22
Hey Bipolarsux (and you're right, it does), your post gave me a good chuckle and I really needed one. From one BP to another, thanks!
It's nice that we can have a sense of humor, even if it's probably going to get us in trouble... Oh well, won't be the first time, or the last.
Greg
Posted by Bittersweet on February 13, 2003, at 18:05:48
In reply to Re: Mmmmm....pills..... » Bipolarsux, posted by Greg on February 13, 2003, at 17:29:51
> Hey Bipolarsux (and you're right, it does), your post gave me a good chuckle and I really needed one. From one BP to another, thanks!
>
> It's nice that we can have a sense of humor, even if it's probably going to get us in trouble... Oh well, won't be the first time, or the last.
>
> Greg* * * * *
I second that :o)
Posted by noa on February 13, 2003, at 18:58:36
In reply to Re: Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by dreamerz on February 13, 2003, at 9:05:56
> That's a pretty post all them exclamation marks..
>
Dreamer, you make me laugh out loud!!!
Posted by linkadge on February 13, 2003, at 19:23:29
In reply to Re: Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!! » dreamerz, posted by noa on February 13, 2003, at 18:58:36
I seems pointless to respond, as people
like this rarely read replies.You cannot issue so much hate, in the
name of Jesus. Jesus was a healer of mind
and of body. Do you think he would condem
the healing and the caring that takes place
on this board. Surely not.
To those who do take any medication for
a psychiatric condition please read this.Absolutely nobody knows what goes on in
ones mind but oneself. I seems incredibly
pointless to spend years of life, fruitlessly
seeking some satifaction that, for biological
reasons, can never be achieved.I believe in Jesus too. I have spent many
years in incredable pain, wondering why this
must be. If our dear lord can put food,
water, shelter, safetly, tools, and much more
on this earth, but unless we reach out and take
the gift, it is placed on this earch in vain.Food helps hunger, antidepressants help depression. There is no difference.
For those who are so terribly against using
APs for anxiety, you may not really comprehend
the extent to which these indeviduals suffer.To be so dogmaticaly angry about what other do, says more about yourself then them.
Linkadge
Posted by utopizen on February 13, 2003, at 19:25:16
In reply to Here's an idea: QUIT SO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 4:02:40
WHat's the generic name for Jesus Christ? I'll have to ask my pharmacist about its efficacy.
thanks
Posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 19:32:05
In reply to Mmmmm....pills....., posted by Bipolarsux on February 13, 2003, at 7:52:22
Hello everyone, I'll try to address EACH of your specific replies.
1) For "megg":
-I have absolutely NO "faith issues", in fact Jesus Christ is the ONLY thing on the face of this planet that I'm 100% SURE about!!!!!!!!!!!
-"Religious delusions". . . that's PRICELESS!!! Hey everybody, I've got an idea. . . let's just ALL "pop" 20 pills a day, "whaddaya-say"???!!!!
(LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)2) For "bipolarsux":
-You say you want "a cure", but from WHAT????????? I mean, seriously, do you honestly think you suffer IMMENSELY more than other "healthy" people????? Just because EVERYONE doesn't have a mental-illness does NOT mean they do not SUFFER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Let me ask you THIS: would you rather be Bipolar, or BLIND & DEAF???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-You say you want your "love of this life back", well, let me tell you this: Jesus said, "Whoever LOVES his life will most CERTAINLY LOSE it!" (So, consider yourself BLESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-You say that I shouldn't "tempt" the LORD, because he may call for my death (I realize you were being facetious, but I can use your crappy sense of humor to illustrate ANOTHER point!): As "masochistic" as you may think this is, I REJOICE when I get to drink of the LORD's cup. . . even if that means till DEATH (after all, martyrs will be the MOST richly rewarded in the life to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-You say, "Who cares about eternity?" Well, my friend, you certainly will when you're in the UNQUENCHABLE FIRES of HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-You know what ANGERS me the MOST? People who have NEVER read the Holy Bible, and CRITICIZE Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John 3:16 reads, "For God so loved the world that He gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have EVERLASTING life!"
Could you even IMAGINE watching YOUR OWN son be BEATEN, TORTURED, FALSELY-ACCUSED, SPIT-ON, and KILLED. . . and then have people like YOU not even APPRECIATE what He did??????(And people have the AUDACITY to ask, "Why does God let people go to Hell?". . . for EXACTLY THAT REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-Finally, I NEVER said that I thought Ozzy Osbourne was a "bad" guy, in fact, I actually happen to LIKE Ozzy!!! He's a LOVING, CARING, LOYAL, and COMPASSIONATE father & husband. . . unfortunately, my point was, in his YOUNGER days he was a COMPLETE FOOL for doing all the drugs that he did!!!!!!!!! (And, in my comparison between SOME of you [Not ALL, just people that "abuse" prescription pills, instead of REALLY FACING your problems; Bipolar actually FITS my criteria for USING the pills, so don't take this personally!] & Ozzy, I was simply trying to convey to you all (who DON'T seem to "get it"!) DRUGS IS DRUGS IS DRUGS DRUGS IS DRUGS IS DRUGS DRUGS IS DRUGS IS DRUGS DRUGS IS DRUGS IS DRUGS DRUGS IS DRUGS IS DRUGS DRUGS IS DRUGS IS DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the end, it doesn't matter WHO prescribed them to you, or for WHAT "noble purpose". . . you're STILL going to FRY your FRIGGIN' BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Just like Ozzy!)
3) For "rainee":
-You say I'm "hiding behind the LORD". . . well. . . isn't that what HE WANTS US TO DO????????????????????????
-You say I need a "pill for anger". . . well, considering ANGER (as well as HAPPINESS, SADNESS, JOY, BOREDOM, etc.!!!) is a NORMAL human emotion. . . I think I'll pass!!!!!!! (You, on the other hand, could use a "pill", for: TAKING TOO MANY DAMN PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-I'll say one thing for you: I have been known to "chuck a few clubs" on the course (but then, so do Sergio & Tiger, so I think I'mn in pretty GOOD company, wouldn't you say?????????????!!!!!!!!)4) For "cosis":
-You say that "I NEED PILLS" (lol!): I'm going to CONGRATULATE YOU. . . you've discovered PRECISELY the reason Jesus came to Earth WHEN He did!!!!!!! (Could you IMAGINE a guy claiming to be "in very essence God", and NOT being "drugged to the rafters" in our society today???????????)5) For "Rayww":
-Yes I do, in fact, know someone (whom I love VERY much!) that uses pills to "hide behind" instead of facing her problems!!! (And SHE'S PRECISELY my MOTIVATION for posting to YOU ALL in the first place!!!!!!!! It absolutely SICKENS ME to see what SOME of you people are DOING to yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-As for "fixing life's problems", Jesus never promised we'd have a "problem-free life" if we followed Him. . . but He DOES promise that (a) He'll only test us with what WE'RE CAPABLE of handling, and (b) His GRACE will see us through ANY SITUATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-As for you telling me to be "calm like Christ", I think you're SADLY MISTAKEN about Jesus' VERY NATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When Jesus came to Earth, He said himself, he did NOT come to bring "Peace on Earth" but, rather, "to drive a sword in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", He says that a Christian will suffer MUCH for His name, but it's still FAR better than the "alternative".
(Also, many Theologians AGREE, that Jesus would have been VERY animated in His dealings with people. . . He was VERY passionate about his "religion" [more like, His KINGDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!]). Finally, Christ was ANGERED MANY TIMES (remember the people who were using the Temple as a local "supermarket". . . Jesus THREW THEIR GOODS ON THE GROUND AND CHASSTISED THEIR BLASPHEMOUS WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!)
***Anger is NOT a sin, unless it MANIFESTS itself in a SINFUL MANNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***
- I was NOT being "derogatory" in my remarks to the "pill poppers" on this board just REALISTIC. . . it's like the old saying goes, "The TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Finally, this goes to EVERYONE, believe it or not, I ONLY wrote this message (and the one prior) to HELP some of you "discover the TRUE MEANING of LIFE. . . JESUS CHRIST. . . NOT Psychotropic medications!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God Bless you all, and I hope AT LEAST ONE of you will develop a true, lasting, and PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ as a result of this posting (and, TRUST ME, you'll find yourself needing "less & less" ("so-called") "medication"!!!)
-Sean
Posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 19:47:04
In reply to What would Jesus Do ?, posted by linkadge on February 13, 2003, at 19:23:29
FIRST, there's ABSOLUTELY NO FACTUAL MEDICAL PROOF that SEROTONIN is AT ALL related to "clinical depression", and as a matter of fact, Prozac (and all other SSRI's) work in almost the EXACT SAME MANNER as LSD!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are NOT "mood-altering" drugs, they are (more appropriately!) "MIND-altering" drugs!!!!!!!!!!! (The "better mood" comes from the "subtle-buzz" that you get from the "minor" serotonin-BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
SECONDLY, Jesus would MORE THAN LIKELY SAY (as GOD, the Father, said (in the Old Testament, to a King), "Why do these people rely SOLELY on their "doctors", but do not ask for MY HELP???????"As a result of this King's stubbornness, God did not allow him to live!
As for King DAVID, (who "was after God's own heart", and ALWAYS sought God's safe refuge & counsel) when he fell ill, and PRAYED to the good LORD, the "God of Israel" allowed him an EXTENSION to his life (where, otherwise, he most CERTAINLY would have died!!!!!!!!!!!)
Ask yourself this: When Jesus, HIMSELF, was SO ANXIOUS that he "SWEAT BLOOD" do you think He would have taken an "anxiolytic-agent" (or "anti-anxiety" pill)??????????NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And do you want to KNOW how I KNOW THIS. . . FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????)BECAUSE HE WAS OFFERED ONE (on the cross; alcohol!!!). . . BUT FLATLY REFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Jack Smith on February 13, 2003, at 20:10:03
In reply to Re: What would Jesus Do ?, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 19:47:04
Posted by Bittersweet on February 13, 2003, at 20:16:25
In reply to Re: What would Jesus Do ?, posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 19:47:04
> FIRST, there's ABSOLUTELY NO FACTUAL MEDICAL PROOF that SEROTONIN is AT ALL related to "clinical depression", and as a matter of fact, Prozac (and all other SSRI's) work in almost the EXACT SAME MANNER as LSD!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> They are NOT "mood-altering" drugs, they are (more appropriately!) "MIND-altering" drugs!!!!!!!!!!! (The "better mood" comes from the "subtle-buzz" that you get from the "minor" serotonin-BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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> SECONDLY, Jesus would MORE THAN LIKELY SAY (as GOD, the Father, said (in the Old Testament, to a King), "Why do these people rely SOLELY on their "doctors", but do not ask for MY HELP???????"
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> As a result of this King's stubbornness, God did not allow him to live!
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> As for King DAVID, (who "was after God's own heart", and ALWAYS sought God's safe refuge & counsel) when he fell ill, and PRAYED to the good LORD, the "God of Israel" allowed him an EXTENSION to his life (where, otherwise, he most CERTAINLY would have died!!!!!!!!!!!)
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> Ask yourself this: When Jesus, HIMSELF, was SO ANXIOUS that he "SWEAT BLOOD" do you think He would have taken an "anxiolytic-agent" (or "anti-anxiety" pill)??????????
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> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> (And do you want to KNOW how I KNOW THIS. . . FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????)
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> BECAUSE HE WAS OFFERED ONE (on the cross; alcohol!!!). . . BUT FLATLY REFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* * * * *
WOW ALL THEM CAPS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS MADE ME CHANGE MY MIND AND AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...notYou are obviously very immature. How can you judge lest ye walk a mile in our shoes?
Grow up.
Posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 20:22:52
In reply to I am not Jesus and I don't want to suffer (nm), posted by Jack Smith on February 13, 2003, at 20:10:03
Mr. Smith, I can CERTAINLY sympathize with you!!!
But, as a "wise man" once said to me, "There's a DISTINCT DIFFERENCE between PAIN and SUFFERING, you don't CHOOSE PAIN, but you CAN CHOOSE how you DEAL WITH IT (ie. by SUFFERING!)"
My advice to you (if you care!): go to your local church and introduce yourself to the local Pastor, and tell him you want to learn about Jesus, and how you can get to know HIM!!!
TRUST ME, like many of you, if it wasn't for JESUS CHRIST, I (PERSONALLY!!!) would have ALREADY COMMITTED SUICIDE by now!!! (I'm NOT going to go into the "gory details" about my own personal struggles but, rest assured, you're NOT THE ONLY ONE with a "heavy burden"!!!)
Jesus said, "Now pick up YOUR CROSS, and FOLLOW ME!!!!!"
God Bless you, sir!
-Sean
Posted by titleistguy on February 13, 2003, at 20:30:47
In reply to Re: What would Jesus Do ? » titleistguy, posted by Bittersweet on February 13, 2003, at 20:16:25
Oh sweet, sweet "IGNORANT BLISS"!!!
How do YOU KNOW that I do not "walk in your shoes"????
(Why do you think I came to a mental health chat board, in the first place????)
For YOUR information, I have been personally diagnosed with co-morbid "Generalized Anxiety Disorder" & MDD. Also, I've spoken to SEVERAL "famous" Psychiatrists & Psychopharmacologists about my symptomology, and they ALL CONFER that I ALSO have a "Protracted Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome" (I was MIS-DIAGNOSED as Bipolar last year, and subsequently put on over 15 Psychotropic medications, in just 8 months!)
I have 2 1/2 pages worth of symptoms (visually, physically, and mentally), but GUESS WHAT????
I NOW TAKE NO MEDICATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, yes, I do indeed "practice what I preach"
(And I'm "growing up" just fine, thank you, I'm over 6-feet! [Haha!])
God Bless!
Posted by lou pilder on February 13, 2003, at 20:43:40
In reply to Re: What would Jesus Do ? » titleistguy, posted by Bittersweet on February 13, 2003, at 20:16:25
Bittersweet,
You wrote,[...agree with you {not}...you are immmature...how can you judge unless you walk a mile in our shoes...]
After reading the post(s) that you responded to by titeistguy,it appears to me that he/she was in psychotic depression for he/she wrote that [...not for...I would have killed myself...].
Then he/she goes on to write that it was a [spiritual] transformation , to use my words , that enabled he/she to Overcome depression that was suicidal. Now he/she hasn't written all the details of such deliverance from suicide, but I have a deep conviction, based on what he/she has written that it was real to him/her.
Now in his/her description of his/her jesus refusing a drug in His agony, I believe that it would take a deep , mature, understanding to comprehend the significance of the refusal. I am not a member of Christiandom but I have a Christian friend that told me the same thing years ago, and he was a very spiritually mature
person and he told me that the drug , probably, was a narcotic mixed in a solution of, perhaps, alchohol. Opium was a common pain reliever in those days, 2000 years ago, in that area of the world(Jerusalem) and was given to those in the latter stages of crucifiction. Now the significance of this is way beyond the PB board, and , perhaps, could belong on the faith board.
Lou
Posted by Phil on February 13, 2003, at 20:57:01
In reply to Re: What would Jesus Do ? » Bittersweet, posted by lou pilder on February 13, 2003, at 20:43:40
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