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Posted by noa on February 9, 2003, at 22:35:47
In tonight's episode of Criminal Intent, both Geodon and Zyprexa were mentioned--no controversy over either in the plot, though. But a suspect's saying he takes Geodon helped confirm that he is on meds, because Det. Gorin said that because it only just came out last year, the suspect would have been unlikely to have heard of it unless it was prescribed to him--ie, it is not well known to the public. The suspect and other individuals with mental illness (including the one on Zyprexa) turned out to be victims of medical abuse by a mentally ill opthalmologist, as well as being used for a medicaid scam by their residential benefactors.
Posted by judy1 on February 10, 2003, at 1:59:37
In reply to Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order, posted by noa on February 9, 2003, at 22:35:47
I saw it also. I always wondered if Gorin's character (just his actions) has bipolar disorder, but with tonight the story mentioning his mother's illness and her roommate having bipolar, maybe his familiarity with meds and symptoms come from that.
Posted by noa on February 10, 2003, at 17:05:14
In reply to Re: Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order » noa, posted by judy1 on February 10, 2003, at 1:59:37
Judy, I'm moving this to social now, because I realized my response is getting out of the meds realm....
Posted by missliz on February 11, 2003, at 0:17:34
In reply to Re: Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order » judy1, posted by noa on February 10, 2003, at 17:05:14
Uh, guys, these are TV characters, not real people. The guy detective is a genius expert on everything, haven't you noticed? If anything he's eccentric, a creative thinker. This has nothing to do with bipolar, despite the ax Kay Jamison keerps grinding about it.
The mention of Geodon and Zyprexa were product placement- a type of advertising where a product is included in the storyline or seen in the shot. Manufacturers pay for this, and this was an incredibly clever ploy. Anti psychotics aren't going to go over well in the kind of thirty second spots used for fashion accesory drugs like Paxil or Zoloft, so product placement in a popular TV show is a way to get the name out and "legitimize" the product. It's a psychological ploy to market more drug.
Lilly has been flogging Zyprexa for everything short opf teenage acne, despite testing scandals and a lot of ugly long term side effects. It gets mentioned a lot on ER, too. This isn't because it's a great drug, but because Lilly paid a big chunk of cash to get it in there.
It's just advertising. Take it with a grain of salt. Every time you see a movie star drink a Coke onscreen, It means they outbid Pepsi for the product placement rights. Same thing here.missliz
Who says a film degree is useless? I know about this stuff.
Posted by KRISSY on February 11, 2003, at 7:02:37
In reply to Re: Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order, posted by missliz on February 11, 2003, at 0:17:34
I totally agree, It's called, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. Personally, I think Zyprexa has major side effects. There are much better meds. on the market.
Posted by stjames on February 11, 2003, at 11:15:47
In reply to Re: Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order, posted by KRISSY on February 11, 2003, at 7:02:37
There are much better meds. on the market.
That statement does not hold true if you have schitzophrenia !
Posted by missliz on February 11, 2003, at 14:17:23
In reply to Re: Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order, posted by stjames on February 11, 2003, at 11:15:47
Hey- I personally beleive Zyprexa to be one of the more apalling evils of corporate America. There are better meds, and better treatment ideas for illnesses other than schizophrenia. Unfortunately, alot of pdocs find it easier to throw an antipsychotic at a patient than think the problem through.
You'll probably continue to hear Zyprexa mentioned on TV shows- the liability lawsuits are starting because Zyprexa is showing some pretty dreadfull long term side effects, It's probably going to lose market share to newer atypicals, and this is a tool to try and get the stuff into the popular culture. Name recognition means a lot in marketing.missliz
Posted by noa on February 11, 2003, at 18:45:58
In reply to Re: Geodon and Zyprexa on Law and Order, posted by missliz on February 11, 2003, at 14:17:23
I didn't say anything about the quality of the medication, and yes, I'm aware of product placement. I just found the storyline interesting.
And yes, these are characters--I haven't lost touch with reality. But the characters are written by writers and acted by actors and as such are created to have personalities and life stories, and I am intrigued by what is getting revealed in the story about this character's history, family, personality, and relationship with MI, whether in self or someone close to him.
I don't conclude that he has bipolar--certainly not enough info revealed thus far. But it seems the show is dropping hints about the baggage the character carries.
I do think that although the villain in this episode was a man with schizophrenia, the show did good by spending a lot of the episode on the non-violent characters with schizophrenia, and also highlighted their vulnerability to being harmed by other people and by society, rather than their potential to harm us, which is a commonly held assumption.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 12, 2003, at 18:28:36
In reply to Re: Law and Order--move to Psycho-social-Babble, posted by noa on February 11, 2003, at 18:45:58
> move to Psycho-social-Babble
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030208/msgs/36860.html
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
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