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Posted by Angel1 on December 28, 2002, at 21:37:35
If anyone has any experience with Nardil and weight gain, I would love to hear about it, especially females PLEASE. I am so close to trying it, yet am soooo afraid of weight gain. My pdoc says about 40% of people who use it gain weight. Please share your experiences. I know everyone is different, but I have to gain as much info as possible before making the switch. Thanks in advance. Angel1
Posted by ZeeZee on December 29, 2002, at 9:58:23
In reply to Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN, posted by Angel1 on December 28, 2002, at 21:37:35
Nardil was a life saver for me, my dx is panic disorder/agoraphobia. It was like a light switch -it turned off all the anxious "what if" thinking that's been buzzing in my head all my life. However, I stopped it's use and switched to Parnate because I couldn't tolerate the weight gain. The weight gain was caused by constant carb craving - I couldn't stop eating! The constant need to eat was actually interfering with my day to day activities. If someone could provide me with a remedy for this side effect I'd go back on it in a heart beat.
Posted by Angel1 on December 29, 2002, at 11:59:23
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN » Angel1, posted by ZeeZee on December 29, 2002, at 9:58:23
Hi ZeeZee,
Thank you for the information. How much weight did you gain and how is Parnate working for you comparitively? Oh, and how long were you on Nardil. I was wondering if after awhile, the carb craving would gradually taper. I was on Parnate too, and had O.K. results, but I think I felt tired on it and felt cold a lot as well. Although looking back, I didn't give it a really good trial. Hope you are doing well and had a nice holiday.
Angel1
Posted by ZeeZee on December 29, 2002, at 12:11:21
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN, posted by Angel1 on December 29, 2002, at 11:59:23
I can't remember exactly, but I was on Nardil for 4-6 months or maybe longer. I switched to Parnate and stayed on it for 4 years, but that was 5 years ago. I re-tried the Parnate recently and on the first try had terrible tacychardia. Re-tried it again, more slowly, and had a very weird and creepy sedative effect.
I need to be back on an AD and may try Moclobemide if no one can offer a solution to the carb craving on the Nardil. The craving did not taper off for me. I can't remember how much I gained, but I am a petite woman and have always prided myself on my appearance. At my height even 10 lbs is significant.
I also took another drug while on the Nardil for anorgamsmia. I lost all the weight plus some on the Parnate, additionaly had increased sex drive and no sexual dsyfunction and had all the benefit that Nardil had offered. The biggest side effect on Parnate was sleep disturbance but I don't remember it interfering that much as time went on.
Good luck to you and hope you find the Nardil as helpful as I did.
Posted by Jumpy on December 29, 2002, at 14:52:17
In reply to Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN, posted by Angel1 on December 28, 2002, at 21:37:35
Hey There,
I have been on and off nardil for years. It has been the only effective medication for my panic disorder/treatment resistant depresssion. It removed all of my anxieties and gave me my life back. Unforunately, I too had the severely carbohydrate craving and gained about 25 lbs (I am a tall man with a large frame). I also had insomnia and sexual dysfunction.
So that is the cruel nature of nardil. I was back socializing, dating, enjoying life ... but then the weight gain, sexual dysfunction and insomnia were new problems to contend with.
I have spoken to some individuals taking nardil who have not had these side effects. I believe chad3 has not had many side effects from nardil, so like always YMMV.
Good luck!
Jumpy
Posted by Angel1 on December 29, 2002, at 15:10:03
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN » Angel1, posted by Jumpy on December 29, 2002, at 14:52:17
Thank you ZeeZee and Jumpy for your informative replies. ZeeZee what was the name of the drug you took to treat the sexual dysfunction and made you lose weight? And if that was the case, why did you not stay on Nardil with the combined drug to help counteract weight gain and sexual dysfunction? Just trying to gather all the facts so that I can make the proper choice on what to do next. I guess some people are lucky in that they do not have lots of side effects. I seem to be unlucky in that area. Thank you so much once again. Angel1
Posted by kara lynne on December 29, 2002, at 15:24:48
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN, posted by Angel1 on December 29, 2002, at 15:10:03
Thanks for asking these questions, I am about to try Nardil for the first time also. Like you, I am unlucky in the side effect arena (meaning if there is one I'll probably have it). I am also a very petite woman and 5 pounds will definitely show--10 pounds will no doubt plummet me into further depression. It's another one of those "Faustian" choices, as my doctor would say. Is the depression bad enough to warrant these cruel side effects... I guess we'll just have to try and see how it affects us. I didn't know weight gain was such a problem with Nardil; I know it is with Zyprexa (which I couldn't tolerate because of the fatigue anyway). My doctor said the carb craving thing with that is out of control. Maybe we'll be lucky with Nardil (fingers crossed...is there an icon for that?). Good luck, I'd love to hear how it works out for you. Also, have you been able to get it?
Posted by ZeeZee on December 29, 2002, at 15:24:53
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN, posted by Angel1 on December 29, 2002, at 15:10:03
Hi Angel
My post just disappeared so if this turns out to be a duplicate I apologize in advance.
The drug used to treat the anorgasmia and other s/e's effecting my bowel and bladder was, I believe, Bethanchol. It was very effective.
However, no weight loss was acheived with the use of this adjunct therapy. It was the switch to Parnate that caused the weight loss.
Regards
ZeeZee
Posted by cosis on December 29, 2002, at 20:33:19
In reply to Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN, posted by Angel1 on December 28, 2002, at 21:37:35
I am a male and take 90mg of Nardil for 5 months now for social anxiety.
I think I gained about 10 pounds from eating way to many carbs, my craving for food changed to sweet things and not salty. I lifted weights during the weight gain so I do not have much fat on my body but more muscle which actually might be why I weigh more (still not sure. Now I cut back on binging out sweet foods and adding more healthy foods to the mix...
If you are worried about weight gain definately add in exercise and try your hardest to not eat so many sweets. Besides if you gain to much weight just stop taking it and it should come off.
The anorgasmia occurred for 4 months (which sucked).. Then I had an orgasm a few weeks ago. I never took any drugs to help with this problem. Now I can orgasm fine, it just takes longer than it use to which is not all that bad :)
I don't have any insomnia, I do get tired in the afternoon about 2-3 times a week only for a few hours.
This 3 I would say would be the hardest side effects to take from Nardil and as you can see they don't bother me anymore and I am glad Nardil has decreased my anxiety by about 75% and I hardly get depressed anymore..
hope this helps
nick
Posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 11:59:06
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN » Angel1, posted by ZeeZee on December 29, 2002, at 15:24:53
I have been on Nardil for 6 yrs. I have had sweet and carb craving issues. I also have anorexic tendancies so my weight really fluzates. I am 5ft and have been a wide varites of lbs. 105-165. Sometimes I have severe binging issues. I don't know for sure if they are because of the nardil. Has anyone had trouble finding Nardil? I have had a hard time getting my scrips filled. I have to search for Pharmacys that have any left. I read that they have stopped production of Nardil and when and IF it will begin again is unknown!! This terrifies me. Nardil has turned my life around. Although I am still not really happy and do not enjoy many things I am functional and have a real job and support myself. Prior to Nardil I was not functional and made many visits to the hospital 2-5+X or a year over the past 16 yrs. Let me know what you have heard. SuziG
Posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 12:46:30
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 11:59:06
There was a recall on Nardil
http://www.copd-international.com/Library/Nardil_recall.htmIf you send me your email address I will fwd you more information.
Posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 12:50:24
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 12:46:30
Besides the recall. There has been a producrion stop as well. I will se if I can find the article and I can send it to you. The only e-mail I have is my work. SG
Posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 13:34:51
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 12:50:24
Oh, I haven't heard of this... Phizer told me the stock would be replenished at the end of Jan. Maybe another company is taking over production
Posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 13:38:03
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 13:34:51
do you have the # or e-mail to Phizer. I need to find out!! Thanks SG
Posted by petercamp on January 2, 2003, at 15:01:17
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 13:38:03
> do you have the # or e-mail to Phizer. I need to find out!! Thanks SG
i called phizer and they assured me they are not stopping making nardil and they have remedied the shortage, although only one drug store in my town had it
Posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 15:03:43
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by petercamp on January 2, 2003, at 15:01:17
can I have their #?
Posted by petercamp on January 2, 2003, at 15:14:16
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 15:03:43
phizer= 800-533-4535
petercampusa@110.net
Posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 15:17:41
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by petercamp on January 2, 2003, at 15:14:16
Thank you sooooo much. Its always nice to be able to talk to someone yourself. SG
Posted by petercamp on January 2, 2003, at 15:22:21
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 15:17:41
quite alright if you care to contact me at my email feel free
petercampusa@110.net
Posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 16:13:30
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by SuziG on January 2, 2003, at 15:17:41
From what I understand they will not take calls from consumers at 1-800-533-4535
Maybe they do?
Try Main number: 1-800-223-0432
Explain your inquiry to the phone operator and he will transfer you to the
product service representative.They were out of it at all pharmacies and I called Phizer and then requested a "drop shipment" from my pharmacy.. I received 200 pills 3-4 day's later
Posted by djmmm on January 2, 2003, at 18:45:52
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 16:13:30
It seems like Warner-Lambert has a history of production/quality problems when it comes to Nardilhttp://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/NEW00430.html
Posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 20:30:40
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by djmmm on January 2, 2003, at 18:45:52
Wow that is sad to see....
Posted by ace on January 2, 2003, at 21:12:12
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by cosis on January 2, 2003, at 20:30:40
With regards to the weight gain I can't say too much. I have been on it for just over a month and I think it's starting to kick in.
The Production Stop -- Once again I probably can't help too much, but I live in Australia. Here there is only 500 people on it. To get on it I had to go through a special government procedure called the "Special Access Scheme" I had to have individual approval. This is stupid, since it kills the SSRIs. I already feel better than on Zoloft, and it still hasn't kicked in fully!
I think Pfizer has sold it out to Park Davis??
But this might just be a division of Pfizer?To get it here I we have to get it from the UK, some company called Link Medical Products.
To keep it alive I recommend we all send emails to the FDA! ( would these guys have much to do with keeping it around?) Tell them to keep it. I have.
Posted by clay on January 3, 2003, at 0:46:38
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by ace on January 2, 2003, at 21:12:12
I agree we should contact FDA and also contact Pfizer at 800 223-0432 and state the importance of Nardil.
I have been on it for 18 years and the benefits have been tremendous.
I personally believe it could help many more people but is not prescribed as much because of the PR of newer drugs by the drug companies.
Posted by ace on January 3, 2003, at 2:20:01
In reply to Re: Nardil and WEIGHT GAIN,Production Stop, posted by clay on January 3, 2003, at 0:46:38
> I agree we should contact FDA and also contact Pfizer at 800 223-0432 and state the importance of Nardil.
> I have been on it for 18 years and the benefits have been tremendous.
> I personally believe it could help many more people but is not prescribed as much because of the PR of newer drugs by the drug companies.Clay -- you said it very well. Bring on the Paxil commercials - the SSRI cashcows don't have to prove themselves like Nardil had to. This is because Nardil had no where near the same PR as the SSRIs. It had to prove itself. And boy it has. The drug companies bring on the SSRI circus, disregarding their lack of efficacy and discontinuation syndromes (which I suffered). Never mind the fact that no SSRI will ever compare to Nardil.
So we should all ring Pfizer, FDA. Even our presidents and Prime Ministers if necessary!!!!!
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