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Posted by Squiggles on December 27, 2002, at 8:07:48
I wish everyone peace and hope the
bird of paradise shits on Bush's head;I have been reading this Klonopin controversy
again; you know my views on this and the
seizure or stroke or aneurysm or ischemic attack
(whatever the *ell it was) on just 1.0 mg after
many many years; you may have read this;Since there is no consensus and some people
say they get off it easy (Xanax was a piece of
cake for me on the same time) and others say
it is the most addictive ( i would say it actually
change the chemistry of the brain ), then
there must be reasons why some people find it
hard to get off and others not. This is not to
go into the question of whether you should get off
at ALL -- as i think my dr. realized i should not
have and never encouraged me to do so perhaps with
good reason.So, there may be many variables here that need
research; just some that come to mind:- are you bipolar
- does K change bipolar brains irrersibly
- have you been taking for a long time;
- does the dosage have to do something with it
- the age
- the sex
- is the chemistry of this benzo different
from other benzos?etc.
It seems to me that we are speaking in gross
generalities. I call it Killer K.
Squiggles
Posted by BeardedLady on December 27, 2002, at 10:15:05
In reply to happy holidays, posted by Squiggles on December 27, 2002, at 8:07:48
> there must be reasons why some people find it
> hard to get off and others not.> So, there may be many variables here that need
> research;
>
> It seems to me that we are speaking in gross
> generalities. I call it Killer K.Hi, Squiggles. I probably shouldn't have read your post, but it said happy holidays, so I didn't know what I'd be reading.
I just wanted to say that you have given a number of valid reasons in your post that people respond differently to different meds. Then you noted that people ("we") are speaking in gross generalities. Then you made one yourself.
What's killer k to you may be lifesaving k to another. One man's meat is another man's poison (or person). One man's trash is another man's treasure. Etc.
I just wanted to note the irony or incongruity. I had a friend on Klonopin for a short time--a few months. She stopped it years ago and is still fine.
beardy : )>
Posted by Squiggles on December 27, 2002, at 10:45:01
In reply to killer k » Squiggles, posted by BeardedLady on December 27, 2002, at 10:15:05
Sorry to appear incongruous Beardy - maybe
it's all that holiday cheer; of course some
people benefit from this drug and others do
not; language is important though; for example,
i benefit from staying on after being on it
for so long; if i get off (as i tried to) it
was not only unbeneficial but downright dangerous;
on the other hand, i may have needed to take it
in the first place; or i may just be terribly
addicted.The point is: Why? there's got to be some
psychopharmacologists out there who know what
is going on - never mind the trade mark, show
me the molecules;Squiggles
Posted by BeardedLady on December 27, 2002, at 16:31:29
In reply to Re: killer k » BeardedLady, posted by Squiggles on December 27, 2002, at 10:45:01
> for example,
> i benefit from staying on after being on it
> for so long; if i get off (as i tried to) it
> was not only unbeneficial but downright dangerous;
> on the other hand, i may have needed to take it
> in the first place; or i may just be terribly
> addicted.They say that cigarette smoking is the hardest addiction to quit--harder than heroin. It was pretty hard, but I've been off cigs for almost six years.
Each time I quit smoking (a number of them in about 15 years of smoking, I got an illness--TMJ, reflux, excema (sp?), migraine, and possibly insomnia. All were stress-related from quitting smoking.
But most of them have disappeared or improved over the years.
So addiction to Klonopin can certainly cause some trouble when you stop the med. But would that trouble remain with you long-term? I don't know.
It's quite possible that the condition that forced you to need the Klonopin hasn't disappeared. So quitting the med isn't really the best idea, since you still have the illness.
> The point is: Why? there's got to be some
> psychopharmacologists out there who know what
> is going on - never mind the trade mark, show
> me the molecules;I understand your frustration, but asking why people respond differently to different meds is like asking why people are different! Why is my daughter allergic to shrimp? I'm not. Why are some people allergic to the air they breathe? How can he drink six beers and not be drunk? Why does he go nuts when he smokes pot, and I simply fall asleep? Why does the ice cream I eat make me fat, but if my husband eats it, he's still skinny?
beardy : )>
Posted by Squiggles on December 27, 2002, at 16:39:50
In reply to Re: killer k » Squiggles, posted by BeardedLady on December 27, 2002, at 16:31:29
I really don't know what would have happened
if i did not reinstate. In most medical texts,
if you get a seizure from benzo withdrawal,
the treatment is to immediately reinstate the dose
and even increase it or add something stronger
to it.As for cigarettes, i quite smoking years ago,
and as hard as it was, we are comparing pineapples
and hand grenades here.Squiggles
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