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heavy cloud - no rain

Posted by turalizz on October 13, 2002, at 16:06:41

Hi,
My brain I think is very sensitive to cloudy weather.
Everytime it gets rainy, I can't concentrate, I feel down, low energy, fatigue, and there seems to be a fog in my mind.

Once the rain begins, I am relieved.

It is very frustrating, especially here, in a rainy city like Istanbul.

Did anyone notice this patern? Why does it happen? The charged ions in the air or something? Is there anything that can be done?

thanks,

cem

 

YES

Posted by linkadge on October 13, 2002, at 18:10:17

In reply to heavy cloud - no rain, posted by turalizz on October 13, 2002, at 16:06:41

I though that this was just me
but when you mentioned it I really
know what you mean. It is especially
bad when it is high pressure, high
humidity, then after it rains I
feel so much better.

I have a theory. Some people with migranes
swear that they follow similar pattern,
the pain reaches its peak just before rain.
After it rains they are relieved. Also
notice how andidepressants are sometimes
used to aliviate migranes. I thing that
Some common mechanizm connects these two
ailments, and that mood can be directly influanced by the weather.

Animals also have an inate sence of when
it is going to rain. Birds and such know
this and go into there nests. They don't know
this because of the clouds but because of
the atmosphere. I think there are a certain
number of people who share this sence,
and it comes in the form of low mood.


Linkadge
I can never remember feeling depressed
right after a heavy rain.


 

Re: heavy cloud - no rain » turalizz

Posted by Phil on October 13, 2002, at 18:13:50

In reply to heavy cloud - no rain, posted by turalizz on October 13, 2002, at 16:06:41

I go through the exact same thing. Have always wondered about it.
Some storms, especially with a lot of heat and humidity and it's still outside. Until it rains, I'm feel dead, just shoot me.
I don't run into many other's that have our rare affliction.
Off to Google!!

 

Re: YES

Posted by FredPotter on October 13, 2002, at 22:54:49

In reply to YES, posted by linkadge on October 13, 2002, at 18:10:17

> Animals also have an inate sence of when
> it is going to rain. Birds and such know
> this and go into there nests. They don't know
> this because of the clouds but because of
> the atmosphere.

Here in New Zealand it's just starting to rain and there are birds flying all over the place. Haven't you ever seen a wet animal? The belief that other animals are somehow better than humans is without foundation. I believe the animals who have the best grip on weather-forecasting are called meteorologists. I don't think cloudy weather lowering our spirits is a terribly new observation or a useful one. It would be very difficult to tell whether positive ions play a part in this

 

Re: YES

Posted by linkadge on October 14, 2002, at 9:21:30

In reply to Re: YES, posted by FredPotter on October 13, 2002, at 22:54:49

Well Mr. Pecimistic, obvously you havn't
seen the animals here. The squirrels
are hidden for a good hour before the rain
starts. Even the black flies bite like
crazy just before it rains. They know
all right. What kangaroo pouch have
you been in the last 600 years ?

Linkadge

 

Re: YES » FredPotter

Posted by Phil on October 14, 2002, at 12:10:05

In reply to Re: YES, posted by FredPotter on October 13, 2002, at 22:54:49

"I don't think cloudy weather lowering our spirits is a terribly new observation or a useful one."

I haven't given anyone permission to tell me what's useful to me.
If it's not useful to you, don't post.

 

Re: YES

Posted by wcfrench on October 14, 2002, at 14:20:34

In reply to Re: YES » FredPotter, posted by Phil on October 14, 2002, at 12:10:05

I always feel more down when it's cloudy. But doesn't everyone? Sunny days are happier, cloudy days are sadder. That's how it's been for as long as we've roamed the earth. You know, like in a movie? It's cliche, but it's true. Maybe it does have something to do with the atmosphere. I just thought it had to do with the appearance of the outside environment. Who knew!

-Charlie

 

Re: YES

Posted by FredPotter on October 14, 2002, at 15:24:05

In reply to Re: YES, posted by wcfrench on October 14, 2002, at 14:20:34

I didn't mean to be pessimistic. I think the way things are in Nature is just fine. I don't want them to be anything other than what they are. In discussing what's useful to us however we obviously from time to time make mention of what's not useful in order to define it. You can't tell me not to post over something as harmless as this. Nobody is compelled to read what I post after all. So other people's "permission" is irrelevant. By the way, there are no kangaroos in New Zealand, at least not in the wild
Fred

 

Re: please be civil » FredPotter » linkadge

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 14, 2002, at 16:23:53

In reply to Re: YES, posted by FredPotter on October 14, 2002, at 15:24:05

> I don't think cloudy weather lowering our spirits is a terribly new observation or a useful one.
>
> FredPotter

Phil did have a point, please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel put down.

> What kangaroo pouch have
> you been in the last 600 years ?
>
> Linkadge

And if you do feel put down, please remember, two wrongs don't make a right.

> You can't tell me not to post over something as harmless as this. Nobody is compelled to read what I post after all.
>
> Fred

Nobody is compelled to, but they may, so I do think it's important to be civil. Thanks,

Bob

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.

 

Re: heavy cloud - no rain

Posted by oracle on October 14, 2002, at 18:41:56

In reply to heavy cloud - no rain, posted by turalizz on October 13, 2002, at 16:06:41

The charged ions in the air or something?

I would think the charged ions would make on feel better. O3 would scrub the air.

 

Re: before after storms » Phil

Posted by IsoM on October 15, 2002, at 2:02:01

In reply to Re: heavy cloud - no rain » turalizz, posted by Phil on October 13, 2002, at 18:13:50

There's something in the air that some people are far more sensitive to, Phil, than others. After a storm, there is a dramatic change in the electrical charge. When air is still & humid, positive ions predominate in the lower atmosphere. Those who tend to more sensitive to electrical charges can feel depressed, get migraines easier, feel over all more blah. As a storm builds, a negative charge builds in the lower portion of the clouds & the ground develops a more positive charge. After a storm, the air clears & returns to a more normal level, whether from lightening discharges or the falling rain. Both bring a more negative charge to the lower atmosphere.

It's been known for a while now that negative ions make many people feel better. It's not just in storms that negative ions are produced but also by crashing waves along the coast, waterfalls, ordinary rain, even slower moving water in rivers, creeks & along a more gentle seashore. Air movement (wind) can also generate electrical charges. Most of the time, we feel better from a mild negative charge in the air.

Hot, dry katabatic winds (winds that flow *down* a mountain slope, known by various names through the earth as chinook, Santa Ana, foehn, & zonda carry a higher positive charge & most people (but not all!) feel much worse when these winds blow even though they can do much to relieve cold, wet weather.

But there's more to just electrical charges that account for how weather sensitive people feel. After a storm, there's a slightly raised level of ozone in the air & very small amounts can improve some people's mood. The sweet smell after a rain storm is from petrichor, the name given to the different compounds released from the ground by rain. It can elevate many people's mood (it sure does mine).

It's an area of science that most North American doctors poo-pooh about & rarely take seriously. Yet in Europe, it's taken much more seriously. But because little is really known (mostly anecdotal rather than properly tested), there's much debate over what affects us & what doesn't. People vary in sensitivity too so it's difficult to measure. Not just weather but a greater interest is being taken on the effects of Earth's flucuating geomagnetic field on humans. It's not a static field but changes locally quite a bit. I'm not talking silly magnetic therapy or anything like that - the Earth's magnetic field is thousands of times greater than even our large magnetics.

If you're interested in learning more, Phil, here's one interesting (though not really full of science) site that you might like:
http://web.outsideonline.com/magazine/1295/12f_cos.html

Try doing a search on Google for biometeorology, the study of weather's effect on humans. You may have trouble finding many articles in English as it's taken more seriously in Europe & Asia.

If you're really, really interested in all this, get back to me (use my email) & I can direct you to some other unusual bits.

 

That's what I meant!! : ) » IsoM

Posted by Phil on October 15, 2002, at 12:48:20

In reply to Re: before after storms » Phil, posted by IsoM on October 15, 2002, at 2:02:01

Isom,

I was trying to get the point across that it wasn't just sun versus clouds. I can be in a mall with no way to see out and if a storm is approaching, I can get exhausted, sleepy, can't think, irritable.
When I go outside, I know what happened. It's a weird deal..thanks for all the info. I'll check into it and will be in touch.

Phil

 

Re: heavy cloud - no rain

Posted by Mandi on October 19, 2002, at 0:44:45

In reply to heavy cloud - no rain, posted by turalizz on October 13, 2002, at 16:06:41

Hi Cem,
The weather affects my moods and my migraines. I take medicine for depression and anxiety. It is supposed to help keep the migraines away, plus i do have depression. I noticed that when i am starting to get a really bad migraine,it always ends up raining by the next day or so. I see you are from Istanbul. I lived in Yalova when my husband was in the Air Force. It rained almost constantly and i was miserable. It may not affect some people, but i know it does affect me and my body and that's a fact!


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