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Posted by JonW on August 13, 2002, at 5:29:17
Hi,
I previously wrote about a horrendous headache, stiff neck, rigid muslces, nausea, and a fever and have been to my internist who concluded it is withdrawal. Now, I see trailers. Like when I move my mouse around it has trails -- can these be a symptom of a real bad headache? Is all of this typical of withdrawal? I've also stopped Geodon, and am tappering (which I've put on halt) Neurontin. It seems to me that this is all most likely the result of Nardil withdrawal, but I would love to hear someone else say they've experienced this or something similar. I've come off of Nardil 15mg/week or a little faster after being on 60mg for 8 weeks. It's been 5 days since I stopped Nardil completely. This is the worst withdrawal I've ever had and wouldn't wish it on anyone -- certainly not someone with depression! Please help... any ideas or similar experiences? I just want someone to put my mind at ease. Is there anything I can take to make withdrawal easier?
Thanks,
Jon
Posted by katekite on August 13, 2002, at 12:10:17
In reply to Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by JonW on August 13, 2002, at 5:29:17
Do you still have a fever? How high is it currently?
Sorry to hear you are having such a rough time: hang in there.
kate
Posted by Squiggles on August 13, 2002, at 13:32:14
In reply to Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by JonW on August 13, 2002, at 5:29:17
I'm glad you are seeing a dr. I am
replying only because you sound desperate;
i am unfamiliar with your drug, however
i am familiar with hellish withdrawal from
other drugs - my experience was to reinstate
the same drug and start getting off again
at a slower rate, for whatever reason (presumably
a good one) you want to get off.I hope you get some good advice from your dr.
Best wishes,
Squiggles
Posted by ross on August 13, 2002, at 22:29:34
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » JonW, posted by Squiggles on August 13, 2002, at 13:32:14
i stopped 75mgs of Nardil and had no ill effects.
you where only on the Nardil for 8 weeks. i really do not think it is the Nardil. Neurontin is another med that i stopped cold turkey once inpatient and had no ill effects. Geodon is another med i stopped cold turkey and had no ill effects. everyone's brain is different so maybe it is the Nardil. if i where you i would have some valium around and take 5mgs TID for any anxiety related to withdrawl. other than that wait out the 10 days for the Nardil withdrawl and start on a different class of A/D's. just my opinion
ross
Posted by djmmm on August 14, 2002, at 9:40:25
In reply to Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by JonW on August 13, 2002, at 5:29:17
If I run out of Nardil, as in not take it for one or two days, I experience horrible effects-- mainly irritability, horrible nightmares, hallucinations, etc. Much worse than Effexor (which I *had* thought was the worst med to discontinue)
Posted by JonW on August 14, 2002, at 10:06:21
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by djmmm on August 14, 2002, at 9:40:25
Thanks guys,
Things are slightly better... a good trend at least. I think I'll go back to bed...
Thanks again,
Jon
Posted by Squiggles on August 14, 2002, at 10:08:52
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by djmmm on August 14, 2002, at 9:40:25
I hope i'm not coming across as irritable,
but I think that when a patient says he
feels like *rap coming off or getting on,
or mixing this with that, and feels suicidal -
it is at least good manners to accept the
patient's report rather than present a counter
story or an article from a journal that says
otherwise.A fact remains fact regardless of the
unkown causes behind it.Squiggles
Posted by JonW on August 14, 2002, at 10:13:32
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by ross on August 13, 2002, at 22:29:34
Boy I envy you because this is not fun at all! I started having mild tactile and visual hallucinations last night before bed. I quickly took some klonopin and got myself to sleep. I'm so scared of hallucinations because it reminded me of the time I took too much dexedrine -- that was scary! Fun at first, but not later... Anyway, I seem to be better now. Good suggestion with the benzo. I'm not sure if I have increased general anxiety because I am taking neurontin away (and I really do need it afterall) or because I'm off of Nardil and experiencing withdrawal. I put in a call to my pdoc to get her opinion on that and whether or not I should restart Geodon which was helping with my mood a lot. Thanks again, Ross.
Jon
Posted by JonW on August 14, 2002, at 10:19:40
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by katekite on August 13, 2002, at 12:10:17
Hi Kate,
My fever was 99.5 and I was getting nervous because I'm usually in the 97s... Anyway, it has since gone down. My internist says that's not uncommon at all. He said he sees people all the time who experience the flu-like withdrawal syndrome from Nardil. It's just this stiff neck that has weirded me out, but I guess it's normal because it is starting to get a little bit better. Oh well...
Jon
Posted by cybercafe on August 14, 2002, at 13:13:16
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » djmmm, posted by Squiggles on August 14, 2002, at 10:08:52
> I hope i'm not coming across as irritable,
> but I think that when a patient says he
> feels like *rap coming off or getting on,
> or mixing this with that, and feels suicidal -
> it is at least good manners to accept the
> patient's report rather than present a counter
> story or an article from a journal that says
> otherwise.
>
> A fact remains fact regardless of the
> unkown causes behind it.but can you come up with a cool saying for that?
how about "Treat the patient, not the journal article"?
facts are one thing... what you can prove is another... and getting other people to a) pay attention and b) be persuaded is another entirely and clearly relies on the ability to provide catchy phrases :) :) :)
Posted by Squiggles on August 14, 2002, at 13:29:34
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by cybercafe on August 14, 2002, at 13:13:16
For this occasion, I would say the
quote by Elizabeth Kubler Ross,is apt;
however they are all good, so I include
them for your entertainment:http://www.cyber-nation.com/victory/quotations/subjects/quotes_medicine.html
Squiggles
Posted by katekite on August 14, 2002, at 13:41:05
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » katekite, posted by JonW on August 14, 2002, at 10:19:40
Posted by denise528 on August 15, 2002, at 14:20:27
In reply to Glad to hear its a little better. (nm), posted by katekite on August 14, 2002, at 13:41:05
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Posted by JonW on August 15, 2002, at 14:43:44
In reply to Jon, why did you also stop the Geodon? (nm), posted by denise528 on August 15, 2002, at 14:20:27
We initially thought the Geodon might be causing the stiff neck and fever, but that turns out not to be the case so last night I started Geodon again which I am happy about. My internist has prescribed an anti-biotic just in case it is an infection and I am going to get blood work tomorrow to rule out additional things. I hope this is all over before long... Tapering the Neurontin, stopping the Geodon, and going off of the Nardil all at once is obviously not the best way to boost your mood ;)
Jon
Posted by Tna on July 28, 2003, at 11:30:38
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » djmmm, posted by Squiggles on August 14, 2002, at 10:08:52
>dear squiggles,
I was on a dose of 5 15mg nardil per day, since early 1998. I experienced a lot more than my doc would validate. to make story short, i was in a hypomania, among other side effects. I finally felt borderline "crazy", and suffered some major losses.
You are so right, that a patient's experience is real and should be at least considered fact and reported as some of the less-reported, even greater side effects go unreported due to negligence by "medical experts" who know nothing about taking Nardil, and each person is diff.
withdrawal has been slow and long and a real
scary time, with some awful sickness, and other
stuff. just want to let others know not alone
tina
Posted by Squiggles on July 28, 2003, at 11:38:57
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » Squiggles, posted by Tna on July 28, 2003, at 11:30:38
Hi Tina,
I am so sorry you are going through withdrawal
pains - should you withdraw, would be my first
question. I have become weary of withdrawal
and now prefer to adjust a dose of a drug,
especially if taken a long time.I looked this drug up because i am not familiar
with it.It is an MAO inhibitor.
http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-n01.html
It would be nice to see which drugs are
more difficult than others to withdraw from.
For example, lithium is not supposed to be
so hard. But benzos are killers. Of course
variable such as time taken and dose are
very important.I hope you get some advice here from people
who have taken Nardil.Take care
Squiggles
Posted by john Henry on July 31, 2003, at 5:32:56
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » Squiggles, posted by Tna on July 28, 2003, at 11:30:38
dear squiggles,
I was on a dose of 5 15mg nardil per day, since early 1998. I experienced a lot more than my doc would validate. to make story short, i was in a hypomania, among other side effects. I finally felt borderline "crazy", and suffered some major losses.
You are so right, that a patient's experience is real and should be at least considered fact and reported as some of the less-reported, even greater side effects go unreported due to negligence by "medical experts" who know nothing about taking Nardil, and each person is diff.
withdrawal has been slow and long and a real
scary time, with some awful sickness, and other
stuff. just want to let others know not alone
tina
>>>>Tinagurl,keep on keeping on.You can do it,theres gonna come a brighter day,you'll see...Believe that.Plus on the other side awaits food.Pizza,hot dogs....ok i dont know what your not allowed to eat but I bet your craving something:)
Posted by Squiggles on July 31, 2003, at 6:57:52
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » Tna, posted by john Henry on July 31, 2003, at 5:32:56
Hi Tina,
It sounds like you have been through
hell with your medication. Whatever
the reason, I would have and maybe you
already have, tried another doctor.BTW, watching Mick Jagger last night at
his svelte, energetic at the age of 60
(infact, they all looked so fit), i could
not help but wonder what a major rock star's
designer drug dr. can do.Money changes everything.
Take care.
Squiggles
Posted by john Henry on July 31, 2003, at 7:51:49
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » john Henry, posted by Squiggles on July 31, 2003, at 6:57:52
Squiggzz,
I think you might have found the ultimate anti-depressant for me....money and lots of it:)
> Hi Tina,
>
> It sounds like you have been through
> hell with your medication. Whatever
> the reason, I would have and maybe you
> already have, tried another doctor.
>
> BTW, watching Mick Jagger last night at
> his svelte, energetic at the age of 60
> (infact, they all looked so fit), i could
> not help but wonder what a major rock star's
> designer drug dr. can do.
>
> Money changes everything.
>
> Take care.
>
> Squiggles
>
Posted by Squiggles on July 31, 2003, at 8:09:51
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » Squiggles, posted by john Henry on July 31, 2003, at 7:51:49
Hi,
I can't find many guides to getting
off antidepressants. I know from my
friend that our doctor uses a wash-out
period of about a month - not sure if
this would be enough for Nardil though -
each drug is unique; in my experience
benzos are the worst, while lithium is
not as bad - still i have no guides -
possibly Dr. Bob's site has one for
scheduling a painless withdrawal.I found this site - perhaps you can search
around. I believe Dr. Ashton is one of the
most savy doctors in the reality of withdrawal
problems with drugs in general:
http://www.benzo.org.uk/ashtonad.htm
I look forward to the time when pharmacists
and doctors get together and exchange information
on this matter.Squiggles
Posted by Tna on July 31, 2003, at 13:47:51
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » Tna, posted by john Henry on July 31, 2003, at 5:32:56
> dear squiggles,
> I was on a dose of 5 15mg nardil per day, since early 1998. I experienced a lot more than my doc would validate. to make story short, i was in a hypomania, among other side effects. I finally felt borderline "crazy", and suffered some major losses.
> You are so right, that a patient's experience is real and should be at least considered fact and reported as some of the less-reported, even greater side effects go unreported due to negligence by "medical experts" who know nothing about taking Nardil, and each person is diff.
> withdrawal has been slow and long and a real
> scary time, with some awful sickness, and other
> stuff. just want to let others know not alone
> tina
>
>
>
> >>>>Tinagurl,keep on keeping on.You can do it,theres gonna come a brighter day,you'll see...Believe that.Plus on the other side awaits food.Pizza,hot dogs....ok i dont know what your not allowed to eat but I bet your craving something:)yep, sure am craving lots of food. right now my sinuses are in a change. could use some med for that when safe, but i am a bit ill of meds.
lol. it has been three weeks now. will see doc aug 9. lucky for me i have a terrrific therapist. a really good one. and some great kids and a support group. thanks for encouragement. sincerely, tina
Posted by Tna on July 31, 2003, at 13:55:12
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help! » john Henry, posted by Squiggles on July 31, 2003, at 6:57:52
> Hi Tina,
>
> It sounds like you have been through
> hell with your medication. Whatever
> the reason, I would have and maybe you
> already have, tried another doctor.
>
> BTW, watching Mick Jagger last night at
> his svelte, energetic at the age of 60
> (infact, they all looked so fit), i could
> not help but wonder what a major rock star's
> designer drug dr. can do.
>
> Money changes everything.
>
> Take care.
>
> Squiggles
>yep, after 18 yrs, i have a new doc. seems okay so far, but i cannot say how scary it is to think of new drug. i do take ativan, for anxiety and agitation. but i have a double whammy, as i am sure a lot of us do. it is genetics, plus a lot of childhood crap that i hope can be mended. i am working on both, and want to function again, work again, trust again.
just feel like my reputation got ruined, and a possible good relationship. i must go forward now. it is up to me. damn lol tina
Posted by Squiggles on July 31, 2003, at 14:05:26
In reply to Re: Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by Tna on July 31, 2003, at 13:55:12
I wish you luck with your new doctor,
and if anxiety is preventing you from
undertaking things in your life, perhaps
Ativan will help - most benzos are addicting
though and unless you can get your doctor
to monitor tolerance, withdrawal, dose
etc., they can make your life much worse.
So, you should be vigilant about that.I find Klonopin to be good with regards to
reaching tolerance. However, once on it
is very difficult to get off. Don't mean
to scare you, but this is my take on
Klonopin "if you are not an epileptic getting
on, you will be getting off " - at least if
taken for a long time.Other benzos are different but all are in
their own way addicting requiring either raise
in dose or careful withdrawal.Squiggles
Posted by cee on October 6, 2008, at 0:57:11
In reply to Nardil Withdrawal, Pure Hell! Help!, posted by JonW on August 13, 2002, at 5:29:17
> Hi,
>
> I previously wrote about a horrendous headache, stiff neck, rigid muslces, nausea, and a fever and have been to my internist who concluded it is withdrawal. Now, I see trailers. Like when I move my mouse around it has trails -- can these be a symptom of a real bad headache? Is all of this typical of withdrawal? I've also stopped Geodon, and am tappering (which I've put on halt) Neurontin. It seems to me that this is all most likely the result of Nardil withdrawal, but I would love to hear someone else say they've experienced this or something similar. I've come off of Nardil 15mg/week or a little faster after being on 60mg for 8 weeks. It's been 5 days since I stopped Nardil completely. This is the worst withdrawal I've ever had and wouldn't wish it on anyone -- certainly not someone with depression! Please help... any ideas or similar experiences? I just want someone to put my mind at ease. Is there anything I can take to make withdrawal easier?
>
> Thanks,
> Jonhello john i know it was a long time ago but do you remember how long it took before you felt better
thanks
cee
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