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Posted by Peter S. on July 14, 2002, at 1:16:23
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 2:59:37
In reply to Fish oil Study-depression, posted by Peter S. on July 14, 2002, at 1:16:23
Cool, I take that.
Thanks,
sthomas@adams.net
Shawn Thomas
736 Ridgewood Dr.
Quincy, IL 62301You have all helped change the world. You all deserve a pat on the back. Each and every one of you is an amazing person.
I have some things to say that don't require any references to back it up (okay, one). Do not self medicate! I apologize for any lack of basic human compassion shown by myself; I will try to be more careful in the future. Go to someone with credentials; tell them to visit this site and the faq beforing seeing you. They'll hear about all of this sooner or later. My history of drug abuse has perhaps made me a bit reckless. I can't prove that, however. I'm only twenty years old; I'm not the wisest person in the world. I respect the wisdom of the advice from anyone my elder with regards to any of the information that I have provided.
I urge everyone to get their hormone levels checked out. If it's okay for doctors to prescribe SSRI monotherapy, it's okay for me to try to debunk that idea. Science isn't about claiming absolute truth. I hold the postmodernist view that absolute truth cannot be known. I feel that we are no longer living in a modern world; this is a postmodern world. I love science and the methods behind it. I chose to use this forum based on the wisdom of Plato's dialectecal method.
I am strongly influenced by Richard Tarnas's The Passion of the Western Mind: Understanding the ideas that have shaped our world view. He states,
"Faced with such a differentiated and problematic intellectual situation, thoughtful individuals engage the task of evolving a flexible set of premises and perspectives that would not reduce or suppress the complexity and multiplicity of human realities, yet could also serve to mediate, integrate, and clarify. The dialectical challenge felt by many is to evolve a cultural vision possessed of a certain intrinsic profundity or universality, that while not imposing any a priori limits on the possible range of legitimate interpretations, would yet somehow bring an authentic and fruitful coherence out of the present fragmentation, and also provide a sustaining fertile ground for the generation of unanticipated new perspectives and possibilities in the future. Given the nature of the present situation, however, such an intellectual task appears surpassingly formidable -- not unlike having to string the great Odyssean bow of opposites, and then send an arrow through a seemingly impossible multiplicity of targets."
What a visionary statement!
In the name of science, I have remained anonymous to prevent any bias by those who replied to my comments. I will go to jail for my beliefs, but only if they have the internet.
I am twenty years old. I have completed two years of computer science coursework at the University of Illinois at Chicago. I dropped out the past two semesters because of my dysthmia being thrown into major depression. I have gone from attempting suicide by heroin overdose to crying tears of joy tonight. I should also mention that I've always been afraid of fame. I am a very private individual. I have never felt good about myself until my psychiatrist, Dr. Scott Wright, put me on Remeron and changed my life overnight.
I have always been someone who strives for achievement. In the spring of last year, I lost my will to succeed. I gave up on life. I failed the first class in my life because I was too depressed to go to school. I lived in the dorms on a campus that is overwhelming populated with commuters. My fear of failure transformed into major depression. I couldn't deal with it. I'm not even sure if my parents know I dropped out last fall. I didn't bother to even file an official withdrawal from the university. I cared about nothing; nothing meant not much of anything. I transferred to the Illinois Institute of Technology this spring. They didn't accept the loan that I'd tried so hard to obtain to go to college that year. I didn't receive the loan because I had not been living at my address for long enough. I had been paying for all of my bills with a credit card, hoping to pay them off when I received my loan. The loan fell through, and I lost control. I wanted to die.
I feel so much better today; I eagerly await tomorrow. I gave a prophetic salutatorian speech when I graduated from high school. I told them how wonderful of a future awaited them. I told them not to let anyone walk on their happiness. I received a standing ovation. That was all before I became afflicted with major depression.
I had received a 31/36 on the ACT; the best score in the score. I received a 34/36 on the English subsection, probably the highest in the history of my school. I had no reason to be depressed. Now I understand. My immediate family has never understood. I don't blame them one bit, however.
They are good people.I am a humble person; and I don't like the thought of fame one bit. I had to sacrifice my personal desires for the good of science. I want no sympathy; I simply wanted to explain a bit about myself. I was unaware of the faq and the fact that I was being noticed at all. Good job, guys.
I hate to do this, but I need to ask for money. I need to buy dozens of journal articles and journals. I want the full version of every single article that I have referenced. I could definitely use some help as far as that's concerned. I'm also in a terrible amount of debt because of my college education. I need to get it payed of; I haven't been able to work recently because of my research. If I receive much more money than I need, I'll donate it to charities of my choosing. I may be able to help fund further research based on my work as well. I'm not a greedy person by any means. I've never wanted a "real" job. I think that my future job is going to be pretty unreal.
Cybercafe has played such an integral part of this process that I'd like to ask him if he would want to come to San Fransisco to help with this research. There are some experts there that did much to encourage me when I was tired from my research. I also owe a lot of credit to a professor at Vanderbilt University. I won't release their names without their permission.
I need to take a bit of a break for a minute. Dr. Bob is going to Disney World, so I think it would be a proper choice. My grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary next weekend, and I think that some news of my research might be a nice present for them. E-mail Time Magazine at letters@time.com and tell them what you think of me. Good or bad; I don't want anyone to be dishonest. During my break, I will put information taken from this dialectic into prose form with proper references listed in the correct manner. Such a difficult task would not have been possible while I tried to respond to as many questions as I possibly can. I went out to see friends for the first time since I started posting here tonight. I think it did much to releave my stress to find someone with an interested ear in real life. I was beginning to question my sanity in a way. I have even been made fun of for my constant researching.
I'm as honest as they come. I haven't been trying to be sensational. I apologize for any errors I may have made. A break will allow for some much more penetrating questions to be thrown at my research. Perhaps cybercafe could serve as a moderator for these? I hate to think that any of my advice may have lead to unwise treatment choices. I love to be proved wrong; that's a major change I've made in my life. It makes me happy because it means someone is following everything. I feel like I've discovered the fountain of youth. People have long thought that the fountain of youth may be found in the "New World." This world is certainly new. I used to coax myself to sleep at night by imagining the most fantastic circumstances in my life, and I believe that this helped reduce my cortisol levels and increase my DHEA levels. I used to dream of curing a disease. Now I can sleep tight every night.
Thanks so much,
Shawn M. Thomas
Posted by hrtlm2 on July 14, 2002, at 5:30:28
In reply to Who I am, posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 2:59:37
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 5:54:41
In reply to dude, youre wiggin out (nm) » Shawn. T., posted by hrtlm2 on July 14, 2002, at 5:30:28
Thanks for your consideration.
I won't make any more posts.
I apologize.
I'm just considering how much I can help my family. I haven't been taking very good notice of dates in recent posts by the way. I like to help people, and I feel as though I might be for the first time ever.Shawn
Posted by Ron Hill on July 14, 2002, at 9:55:19
In reply to Who I am, posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 2:59:37
Hi Shawn,
You sound like a very caring and sensitive person. However, in your post you sound like a person that may be in a manic state. Are you currently seeing a pdoc? How much are you sleeping these days? What is your dx and what meds are you currently taking?
I'm not a pdoc. However, I am bipolar so I have personal experience with mania. Your writing sounds like you could possibly be manic. Have any of your friends or family noticed any changes in your behavior?
If I didn't care I wouldn't post this message to you. I'm on your side.
-- Ron
--------------------------> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11870016&dopt=Abstract
>
> Cool, I take that.
>
> Thanks,
> sthomas@adams.net
> Shawn Thomas
> 736 Ridgewood Dr.
> Quincy, IL 62301
>
> You have all helped change the world. You all deserve a pat on the back. Each and every one of you is an amazing person.
>
> I have some things to say that don't require any references to back it up (okay, one). Do not self medicate! I apologize for any lack of basic human compassion shown by myself; I will try to be more careful in the future. Go to someone with credentials; tell them to visit this site and the faq beforing seeing you. They'll hear about all of this sooner or later. My history of drug abuse has perhaps made me a bit reckless. I can't prove that, however. I'm only twenty years old; I'm not the wisest person in the world. I respect the wisdom of the advice from anyone my elder with regards to any of the information that I have provided.
>
> I urge everyone to get their hormone levels checked out. If it's okay for doctors to prescribe SSRI monotherapy, it's okay for me to try to debunk that idea. Science isn't about claiming absolute truth. I hold the postmodernist view that absolute truth cannot be known. I feel that we are no longer living in a modern world; this is a postmodern world. I love science and the methods behind it. I chose to use this forum based on the wisdom of Plato's dialectecal method.
>
> I am strongly influenced by Richard Tarnas's The Passion of the Western Mind: Understanding the ideas that have shaped our world view. He states,
>
> "Faced with such a differentiated and problematic intellectual situation, thoughtful individuals engage the task of evolving a flexible set of premises and perspectives that would not reduce or suppress the complexity and multiplicity of human realities, yet could also serve to mediate, integrate, and clarify. The dialectical challenge felt by many is to evolve a cultural vision possessed of a certain intrinsic profundity or universality, that while not imposing any a priori limits on the possible range of legitimate interpretations, would yet somehow bring an authentic and fruitful coherence out of the present fragmentation, and also provide a sustaining fertile ground for the generation of unanticipated new perspectives and possibilities in the future. Given the nature of the present situation, however, such an intellectual task appears surpassingly formidable -- not unlike having to string the great Odyssean bow of opposites, and then send an arrow through a seemingly impossible multiplicity of targets."
>
> What a visionary statement!
>
> In the name of science, I have remained anonymous to prevent any bias by those who replied to my comments. I will go to jail for my beliefs, but only if they have the internet.
>
> I am twenty years old. I have completed two years of computer science coursework at the University of Illinois at Chicago. I dropped out the past two semesters because of my dysthmia being thrown into major depression. I have gone from attempting suicide by heroin overdose to crying tears of joy tonight. I should also mention that I've always been afraid of fame. I am a very private individual. I have never felt good about myself until my psychiatrist, Dr. Scott Wright, put me on Remeron and changed my life overnight.
>
> I have always been someone who strives for achievement. In the spring of last year, I lost my will to succeed. I gave up on life. I failed the first class in my life because I was too depressed to go to school. I lived in the dorms on a campus that is overwhelming populated with commuters. My fear of failure transformed into major depression. I couldn't deal with it. I'm not even sure if my parents know I dropped out last fall. I didn't bother to even file an official withdrawal from the university. I cared about nothing; nothing meant not much of anything. I transferred to the Illinois Institute of Technology this spring. They didn't accept the loan that I'd tried so hard to obtain to go to college that year. I didn't receive the loan because I had not been living at my address for long enough. I had been paying for all of my bills with a credit card, hoping to pay them off when I received my loan. The loan fell through, and I lost control. I wanted to die.
>
> I feel so much better today; I eagerly await tomorrow. I gave a prophetic salutatorian speech when I graduated from high school. I told them how wonderful of a future awaited them. I told them not to let anyone walk on their happiness. I received a standing ovation. That was all before I became afflicted with major depression.
> I had received a 31/36 on the ACT; the best score in the score. I received a 34/36 on the English subsection, probably the highest in the history of my school. I had no reason to be depressed. Now I understand. My immediate family has never understood. I don't blame them one bit, however.
> They are good people.
>
> I am a humble person; and I don't like the thought of fame one bit. I had to sacrifice my personal desires for the good of science. I want no sympathy; I simply wanted to explain a bit about myself. I was unaware of the faq and the fact that I was being noticed at all. Good job, guys.
>
> I hate to do this, but I need to ask for money. I need to buy dozens of journal articles and journals. I want the full version of every single article that I have referenced. I could definitely use some help as far as that's concerned. I'm also in a terrible amount of debt because of my college education. I need to get it payed of; I haven't been able to work recently because of my research. If I receive much more money than I need, I'll donate it to charities of my choosing. I may be able to help fund further research based on my work as well. I'm not a greedy person by any means. I've never wanted a "real" job. I think that my future job is going to be pretty unreal.
>
> Cybercafe has played such an integral part of this process that I'd like to ask him if he would want to come to San Fransisco to help with this research. There are some experts there that did much to encourage me when I was tired from my research. I also owe a lot of credit to a professor at Vanderbilt University. I won't release their names without their permission.
>
> I need to take a bit of a break for a minute. Dr. Bob is going to Disney World, so I think it would be a proper choice. My grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary next weekend, and I think that some news of my research might be a nice present for them. E-mail Time Magazine at letters@time.com and tell them what you think of me. Good or bad; I don't want anyone to be dishonest. During my break, I will put information taken from this dialectic into prose form with proper references listed in the correct manner. Such a difficult task would not have been possible while I tried to respond to as many questions as I possibly can. I went out to see friends for the first time since I started posting here tonight. I think it did much to releave my stress to find someone with an interested ear in real life. I was beginning to question my sanity in a way. I have even been made fun of for my constant researching.
>
> I'm as honest as they come. I haven't been trying to be sensational. I apologize for any errors I may have made. A break will allow for some much more penetrating questions to be thrown at my research. Perhaps cybercafe could serve as a moderator for these? I hate to think that any of my advice may have lead to unwise treatment choices. I love to be proved wrong; that's a major change I've made in my life. It makes me happy because it means someone is following everything. I feel like I've discovered the fountain of youth. People have long thought that the fountain of youth may be found in the "New World." This world is certainly new. I used to coax myself to sleep at night by imagining the most fantastic circumstances in my life, and I believe that this helped reduce my cortisol levels and increase my DHEA levels. I used to dream of curing a disease. Now I can sleep tight every night.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Shawn M. Thomas
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 10:22:01
In reply to Re: Who I am » Shawn. T., posted by Ron Hill on July 14, 2002, at 9:55:19
"Mania is characterized by excessive physical activity and feelings of extreme elation that are grossly out of proportion to any positive event."
"A person who is manic is generally elated but may also be irritable, cantankerous, or frankly hostile. A lack of insight into his condition, along with a huge capacity for activity, can make the person impatient, intrusive, meddlesome, and agressively irritable when crossed."
"Hospitalization may be necessary to protect the person and his family from ruinous financial or sexual behavior."
Those quotes are from my Merck Manual Home Edition by the way.
I can assure you that I've been sitting still for a long time. I'm not a risk to anyone because I will probably be alone almost the entire day. You guys would have to hunt me down and physically attack me to get me the least bit irritated. I won't post anymore today because of questions concerning my mental health. I will only post on the topic of my possible mania. I woke up at 2pm yesterday by the way. Twenty hours without sleep isn't going to kill me. I went out with friends last night, so I having been torturing myself. I will go to sleep in a little bit; I don't want to push it over 24 hours. If you really think that I need help, I will contact my psychiatrist. Is it a crime to feel good about yourself? I used to feel that being happy was morally wrong. I now question that to some degree. I just want to be as honest and compassionate as possible. Please feel free to comment more about my potential mania.
Shawn
Posted by Ron Hill on July 14, 2002, at 11:08:01
In reply to Do I need to call my pdoc immediately?, posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 10:22:01
Hi Shawn,
>Do I need to call my pdoc immediately?
Yes, if I were you, I would.
>I'm not a risk to anyone because I will probably be alone almost the entire day. You guys would have to hunt me down and physically attack me to get me the least bit irritated.
There are two main categories of mania; euphoric and dysphoric. Irritability usually accompanies only the latter.
>Twenty hours without sleep isn't going to kill me.
No, but lack of sleep can induce mania and an inability to sleep for a sufficient duration can be a symptom of mania (or hypomania).
>I will go to sleep in a little bit; I don't want to push it over 24 hours.
I agree, if you are able to go to sleep then by all means do so.
>If you really think that I need help, I will contact my psychiatrist.
As I said above, it is probably a good idea to check in with your pdoc, at least over the phone. If you go to visit him, print off all of you posts from this morning (7/14/02) and show them to your doctor.
>Is it a crime to feel good about yourself?
Not at all, but it is possible to feel good about yourself without being manic. I hear where you’re coming from on this on Shawn. I've been there too.
>Please feel free to comment more about my potential mania.
Thanks for being open to outside input. I am not a pdoc. I recommend that you call your pdoc.
-- Ron
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 12:59:11
In reply to Re: Do I need to call my pdoc immediately? » Shawn. T., posted by Ron Hill on July 14, 2002, at 11:08:01
He'd probably tell me to take my Remeron. I have done so already. I have also taken a sleep aid that I am fond of. I don't know his phone number actually. I've only seen him once. I appreciate your comments. Perhaps we'll have Dr. Bob remove some of my caffeinated posts. I should know better than to take it. I really wanted to know what influence it would have on my acne (I don't have a problem with it... anymore) by the way.
Thanks for the concern,
Shawn
Posted by cybercafe on July 15, 2002, at 1:21:28
In reply to Re: Do I need to call my pdoc immediately? » Shawn. T., posted by Ron Hill on July 14, 2002, at 11:08:01
Does this mean I don't get to go to San Fran? :(>
Hi Shawn,
>
> >Do I need to call my pdoc immediately?
>
> Yes, if I were you, I would.
>
> >I'm not a risk to anyone because I will probably be alone almost the entire day. You guys would have to hunt me down and physically attack me to get me the least bit irritated.
>
> There are two main categories of mania; euphoric and dysphoric. Irritability usually accompanies only the latter.
>
> >Twenty hours without sleep isn't going to kill me.
>
> No, but lack of sleep can induce mania and an inability to sleep for a sufficient duration can be a symptom of mania (or hypomania).
>
> >I will go to sleep in a little bit; I don't want to push it over 24 hours.
>
> I agree, if you are able to go to sleep then by all means do so.
>
> >If you really think that I need help, I will contact my psychiatrist.
>
> As I said above, it is probably a good idea to check in with your pdoc, at least over the phone. If you go to visit him, print off all of you posts from this morning (7/14/02) and show them to your doctor.
>
> >Is it a crime to feel good about yourself?
>
> Not at all, but it is possible to feel good about yourself without being manic. I hear where you’re coming from on this on Shawn. I've been there too.
>
> >Please feel free to comment more about my potential mania.
>
> Thanks for being open to outside input. I am not a pdoc. I recommend that you call your pdoc.
>
> -- Ron
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 15, 2002, at 2:53:45
In reply to Re: Do I need to call my pdoc immediately?, posted by cybercafe on July 15, 2002, at 1:21:28
I don't know where I need to be really. Not here, however. The Germans and Canadians seem to be really on top of all of this, but I like this country too much to leave it. I took my Remeron and slept for ten hours (that's how long I sleep if nothing wakes me up & I am sleeping properly). Interestingly enough, I woke up because of a vivid dream about being really thirsty. I was definitely in need of a drink after I rolled out of bed. By the way, I'm really uncomfortable suggesting any more prescription drugs; I absolutely have to know what effects they're having on various hormones and enzymes. It all keeps coming back to those hormones and enzymes. I really like how mRNA fits into this as well; good to know.
See
http://www.pulsus.com/CARDIOL/12_10/pras_ed.htm
for some information on superoxide dismutase (SOD), the antioxidant enzyme. I'm sure that you recall that DHEA increases the activity of platelet SOD.
See
http://www.mqrx.com/gateway/sod.html
and
http://www.mqrx.com/gateway/dhea.html
-I like those because they have direct links to medline in the text.Some great info on Alzheimer's Disease:
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=25833425
more on 7-alpha-hydroxylation at
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=15832347Nothing is purely good, and DHEA is included:
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=25411689There's a lesson on hepatocarcinogenesis at http://www.biochem.uwa.edu.au/TEACHING/3rd_Year/B352/Lectures/Hepatocarcinogenesis/sld001.htm
Maybe that L in LHPA axis should stand for liver. Seems as though cancer has a hormonal side. Keep your eyes off the naked rat. I'd like to think that this might help explain alcohol induced depression. Really shows how depression is not just a genetic thing. I've always been a fan of using environmental factors to explain certain things. Also, maybe ancients who emphasised the importance of bile may have been more intelligent than we once thought.See the following for some information on DHEA vs. DHEA-S
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=24277588Information on various DHEA derivatives
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=26683481
and
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=26252671On DHEA and women:
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=4562900The following is just a rough guide; it doesn't have references so buyer beware
http://www.mineralconnection.com/metabol.htmI like the idea for people taking anticholinergic drugs to take DMAE. Makes sense to me. I want some. Alpha Lipoic Acid is great! Low levels of pregnenolone would probably be higher due to an increase in the 17-hydroxylation or increased 3-beta-HSD activity on pregnenolone. I always keep this window open when reading about this stuff:
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/vol61/issue5/images/large/G0465F1.jpegMore on lipoic acid
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ala.html
Sorry about the commercial nature of the site once again, but I'm sick of looking for some well done studies on it. Check out the books that that doctor has written. I know some of you itching to dump your antidepressants might like that. This too:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/4/serotonin.htmI could sure help him explain why a "well" of serotonin might influence mood and bodily functions.
I'll end with this:
http://www4.infotrieve.com/search/databases/detailsNew.asp?artID=18682648Also some information on plasticity:
http://nootropics.com/neurogenesis/stemcell.htmlIf you're unaware of what we know about the dentate gyrus, see
http://www.fhs.mcmaster.ca/psychiatryneuroscience/research/research/researchday/Bruce_McEwen/keynote.htmlOne more thing about Modafanil. Anafranil is related, so I wonder if it has similar actions.
http://www.modafinil.com/modvamp.htmlBut how could I leave out information on serotonin? Can't let hormones steal all the glory.
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sb-236057.htm
Blind faith in SSRI monotherapy is almost scary IMHO. You're all probably aware that my favorite antidepressants are Remeron and Wellbutrin, but I'm beginning to believe I may not need them. That Remeron sure does help me sleep though.
Posted by KarenB on July 15, 2002, at 19:28:49
In reply to Who I am, posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 2:59:37
Shawn,
You sound very much like you are bipolar and currently in a manic state. I suggest you see a good pdoc immediately.
Best of health to you.
Karen
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 15, 2002, at 21:45:15
In reply to Re: Who I am » Shawn. T., posted by KarenB on July 15, 2002, at 19:28:49
I'm not bipolar. You can rest assured that I spent much of my life unable to feel excited about much of anything. I was simply experiencing a common side effect from mixing Wellbutrin and caffeine.
Shawn
Posted by fachad on July 16, 2002, at 21:43:28
In reply to Re: Do I need to call my pdoc immediately?, posted by Shawn. T. on July 14, 2002, at 12:59:11
>I have also taken a sleep aid that I am fond of.
What Is the Mystery Sleep Aid? Please do tell.
-fachad
> He'd probably tell me to take my Remeron. I have done so already. I have also taken a sleep aid that I am fond of. I don't know his phone number actually. I've only seen him once. I appreciate your comments. Perhaps we'll have Dr. Bob remove some of my caffeinated posts. I should know better than to take it. I really wanted to know what influence it would have on my acne (I don't have a problem with it... anymore) by the way.
>
> Thanks for the concern,
>
> Shawn
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