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Posted by Anna P. on June 11, 2002, at 20:25:29
Hi,
I know that the acupuncture has been used for the treatment of depression. But have you ever heard of a chiropractic treatment of depression?
I had that bad accident with my chiropractor yesterday. He is my husband's friend and was treating me for some time for my migranes for free. I have my migranes occasionally. Since I figured out the treatment doesn't really help, I decided to quit.
During that time the chiropractor has figured out that I suffer from depression. When I told him I'm quitting, he started to yell at me. He said that if I quit, nobody will ever help me, and I'm going to get down, and nobody will want to hang out around me. He said that I have a mental problem, and he can help me by pressing on nerves that are all connected in some way with a brain, and it can affect my mood. He said he knows what he is doing, since he has over 20 years of experience.
I was wandering whether there is any scientific evidence for that? I don't believe in this and he got really mad at me, and I realize it was extremely rude of him.
Have you ever heard of a chiropractor treating depression?
Anna P.
Posted by Xevious on June 11, 2002, at 23:07:29
In reply to Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Anna P. on June 11, 2002, at 20:25:29
Hoo, boy... This is bound to be a controversial subject, but I'll contribute my opinion and knowledge of the facts.
There is empirical evidence that chiropractic care *can* help in the alliviation of back discomfort and certain kinds of headaches, but there is absolutely no scientific evidence that it has any effect on other conditions, including depression.
Although there are many good chiropractors out there, there are still many too many who mislead their clients with unsubstantiated (and frequently just plain false) claims of being able to cure anything from depression to cancer by "pressing on nerves" or "manipulating subluxations," all of which is, from a scientific and medical perspective, groundless hooey.
All of that aside, however, the fact that this particular chiropractor yelled at you and resorted to such low and manipulative tactics as saying that "nobody will want to hang around [you]" is more than enough reason to get yourself away from that quack! The fact that he happens to have 20 years of experience has nothing to do with whether he knows what he is doing or not, nor has it apparently taught him any basic manners.
Follow your first decision and quit!
Posted by Anna P. on June 12, 2002, at 0:32:35
In reply to Re: Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Xevious on June 11, 2002, at 23:07:29
Xevious, I agree with you, and you are probably right. I was totally confused as he said that he says that only because he is my friend. I tried to smile and use a humor, but he was saying that absolutely seriously. And I felt like he was putting me down. He said I know nothing and that I'm hipochondriac. (which I'm not).
I know that he can treat an ear infection and gold bladder, but I seriously doubt about the help with the mental state.
Anna P.
Posted by Bill L on June 12, 2002, at 9:47:38
In reply to Re: Chiropractor for depression? Xevious, posted by Anna P. on June 12, 2002, at 0:32:35
I feel really confident in saying that it would not help. I would definitely stay away from this guy who yelled at you.
Posted by joy on June 12, 2002, at 11:08:37
In reply to Re: Chiropractor for depression? Xevious, posted by Bill L on June 12, 2002, at 9:47:38
I would dump him like a bowling ball out a fifth story window!
Joy
Posted by amber_spirit on June 12, 2002, at 13:10:35
In reply to Re: Chiropractor for depression? Xevious, posted by joy on June 12, 2002, at 11:08:37
I've grown up in a family of chiropractors and I do believe that the healthier you are the better you can handle the depression and that chiropractic can help with alot of things that have not yet been scientifically documented - I was almost "never" sick as a child. But, don't let him "bully" you into it without any kind of "results". If you discontinue chiropractic treatment and notice a difference in your level of depression you can always rethink your decision.
AmberSpirit
Posted by bookgurl99 on June 12, 2002, at 14:36:46
In reply to Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Anna P. on June 11, 2002, at 20:25:29
It's possible that chiropractic manipulation can help. From a logical perspective, since different parts of the spine connect to different organs, it makes sense that improving spinal function could alter/improve the affected organic function.
However, using a practicioner that you don't feel comfortable with will _not_ be healing to you. The doctor has already decided that you're a hypochondriac, and you will always wonder if he really believes your experience.
If you want to experiment with chiropractic manipulation for depression, I'd suggest getting some references and going to somebody you trust.
How come your husband's friends with this guy?
Posted by JonW on June 12, 2002, at 14:41:00
In reply to Re: Chiropractor for depression? Xevious, posted by joy on June 12, 2002, at 11:08:37
I would run very fast away from this guy, but first, kick him in the nads! :)
Jon
Posted by paxvox on June 14, 2002, at 19:01:54
In reply to Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Anna P. on June 11, 2002, at 20:25:29
I have not personally had that, but I do know that a full body massage (don't read sleazy here) made me feel really good! I would guess that there is some science related to beta endorphin release from chiropractor treatment not unlike accupressure. I wouldn't rule out the possible positive effects, but I would surely say it won't *Cure* ANY depression.
PAX
Posted by josiejo on June 15, 2002, at 18:44:28
In reply to Re: Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Xevious on June 11, 2002, at 23:07:29
> Hoo, boy... This is bound to be a controversial subject, but I'll contribute my opinion and knowledge of the facts.
>
> There is empirical evidence that chiropractic care *can* help in the alliviation of back discomfort and certain kinds of headaches, but there is absolutely no scientific evidence that it has any effect on other conditions, including depression.
>
> Although there are many good chiropractors out there, there are still many too many who mislead their clients with unsubstantiated (and frequently just plain false) claims of being able to cure anything from depression to cancer by "pressing on nerves" or "manipulating subluxations," all of which is, from a scientific and medical perspective, groundless hooey.
>
> All of that aside, however, the fact that this particular chiropractor yelled at you and resorted to such low and manipulative tactics as saying that "nobody will want to hang around [you]" is more than enough reason to get yourself away from that quack! The fact that he happens to have 20 years of experience has nothing to do with whether he knows what he is doing or not, nor has it apparently taught him any basic manners.
>
> Follow your first decision and quit!
OK... Let me add my 25 cents...
Some chiropractors claim that chiropractics (or whatever they call it!) can help depression. Personally, I doubt that, but I can say that when I was seeing my chiropractor somewhat regularly, like once or twice a month, I did feel better everywhere. That includes my chronic back pain, and migraines. And yes, the depression was better too. Was it better because I was on meds and keeping busy? Or was it due in part to the 'magic' of chiropractic? You decide. I can't. But for me, I think it was a combination.Good luck!
Posted by omega man on June 16, 2002, at 4:13:45
In reply to Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Anna P. on June 11, 2002, at 20:25:29
Its an absolute great..a total mind release...why do you think the angel in the movie Jacobs ladder was a chiropractor ?
When your boss says you better snap outa this mood quick...theres nothing like a good bone chrunching grinding session to send a major one time shock through the whole CNS.
Not exactly a total remedy but I find it really helps, as another trick to help get my brain out a rut..
Posted by ST on June 17, 2002, at 1:51:47
In reply to Chiropractor for depression?, posted by Anna P. on June 11, 2002, at 20:25:29
Yes...
I work for a chiropractic and acupuncture center. Our chiropractor does network chiropractic, which does entail freeing up the nervous system (it's also gentler).
Yes, it does help depression, as does acupuncture. BUT - I honestly don't believe that only holistic or only Western medicine works. I believe in a combination. If you have a chemical imbalance, no amount of cracking and popping will make you 100% better!
Yes, network chiropractic work will help you, but you MUST find another doctor. He really has seriously crossed the line.
Good luck,
Sarah
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