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Posted by adamie on May 17, 2002, at 22:43:04
i am going downhill and some moments feel sooo damn horrendous on this vivarint. evenings turn to hell while daytime is not too bad. i need a change.
I have tried Paxil, Prozac, Sam-e, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Zyprexa, ECT, Adrafinil, Salmon Oil, St. John's Wort. valerian root, moclobemide, ativan, immovane, 5-htp, lamictal, L-tyrosine, Risperdal, Vivarint, Mirapex,
meds that 'may' cause sedation ALWAYS cause me to MUCh sedation. I need something that doesn't sedate much although even if it does sedate i am willing to try it possibly.
I need something that also works for anxiety and doesn't increase it. prozac and effexor caused so much increased anxiety and mind torture that i felt suicidal after one dose.
so i need something not sleep enducing so i can live a damn life. and also i need something that doesn't increase anxiety! and something that may help anxiety!
and i am done with all the low effect 'natural' stuff. sam-e maybe helped but no one wants to buy it for me. damn the selfish jerks to hell.
so please tell me what i should try next. I need something and fast before I lose my mind or my damn life. such evenings are just soooo horrendous that every minute is pure hell.
Posted by adamie on May 17, 2002, at 22:47:11
In reply to WHAT SHOULD I TRY NEXT? give me options, posted by adamie on May 17, 2002, at 22:43:04
and inability to concentrate, emptiness, inability to look forward to the future, lack of motivation, inability to enjoy life, mind torture/severe mental pain, head burning with heat, and everything looks dark as if my vision is all darkened, and VERY VERY low appetite.so maybe something that gives appetite too. I eat hardly ANything now.
Posted by JonW on May 17, 2002, at 23:16:50
In reply to WHAT SHOULD I TRY NEXT? give me options, posted by adamie on May 17, 2002, at 22:43:04
Hi Adamie,
You sound like you may be bipolar. If for no other reason, simply the fact that much time has passed and you are still not better. It seems like you've only been on 2 or 3 drugs for bipolar disorder, and have you been on them without any destabilizing agents (i.e. anti-depressants)? It might do you some good to consult a doctor who specializes in bipolar disorder to get their opinion. I would ask your current psydoc to recommend someone. If they don't know of anyone you can never go wrong contacting a major university near you. If I were you I'd be looking for a new doctor -- an expert psydoc experienced with treatment resistent people.
Jon
> i am going downhill and some moments feel sooo damn horrendous on this vivarint. evenings turn to hell while daytime is not too bad. i need a change.
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> I have tried Paxil, Prozac, Sam-e, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, Zyprexa, ECT, Adrafinil, Salmon Oil, St. John's Wort. valerian root, moclobemide, ativan, immovane, 5-htp, lamictal, L-tyrosine, Risperdal, Vivarint, Mirapex,
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> meds that 'may' cause sedation ALWAYS cause me to MUCh sedation. I need something that doesn't sedate much although even if it does sedate i am willing to try it possibly.
>
> I need something that also works for anxiety and doesn't increase it. prozac and effexor caused so much increased anxiety and mind torture that i felt suicidal after one dose.
>
> so i need something not sleep enducing so i can live a damn life. and also i need something that doesn't increase anxiety! and something that may help anxiety!
>
> and i am done with all the low effect 'natural' stuff. sam-e maybe helped but no one wants to buy it for me. damn the selfish jerks to hell.
>
> so please tell me what i should try next. I need something and fast before I lose my mind or my damn life. such evenings are just soooo horrendous that every minute is pure hell.
Posted by Kat26 on May 18, 2002, at 12:28:00
In reply to Re: WHAT SHOULD I TRY NEXT? give me options » adamie, posted by JonW on May 17, 2002, at 23:16:50
What about one of the more activating tricyclics?
Kat26
Posted by katekite on May 18, 2002, at 15:54:21
In reply to BY the way. I suffer from severe clinical DEP,ANX, posted by adamie on May 17, 2002, at 22:47:11
Maybe a combination of one of the more activating drugs plus an anti-anxiety drug.
Like: desipramine or wellbutrin (you tried that already but maybe in combo) or even a stimulant (I know it sounds nuts, it probably is but the concentration would improve plus no sedation, plus reliable antidepressant properties) and then for anxiety something such as neurontin or gabatril, more at night to help sleep. Would probably need to get anxiety under control first, before attempting one of these stimulating drugs.
Or a single mood stabilizer with the possibility of mood effect, like neurontin or lamictal.
When you got sedated from moclobemide, was it the first day or later on? And the same question for wellbutrin? How did Wellbutrin affect you?
I wonder why prozac was so agitating for you so fast -- your doc have any thoughts?
kate
Posted by BarbaraCat on May 23, 2002, at 21:34:43
In reply to WHAT SHOULD I TRY NEXT? give me options, posted by adamie on May 17, 2002, at 22:43:04
There is no reason you should be suffering this way, Adamie. Don't know what your insurance or work situation is, but you might want to consider some time in a hospital and staying there until the good doctors get your meds right! One suggestion that worked for me - have you tried good ol' lithium? I had severe treatment resistant depression for 20 years, cycling up and down. No antidepressant worked, or if they did they caused extreme anxiety and panic attacks before they worked and then eventually pooped out. Adding lithium to Remeron in my case (I like it's low anxiety profile) has been the magic bullet for me. And to think I resisted this drug for so long because of it's stupid stigma. Another stigmatized option that has saved lives is electroshock. You depression sounds like the type that responds best to it.
I have tried every natural product on the market, I meditate, do yoga and live a relatively pure life and I can truly say that none of them even touches a major disorder like severe depression. You need to get into good medical hands, my friend. Whoever is currently treating you, if anyone, is missing some key data. You DO NOT have to suffer like this! I'm glad I stuck with it and made a pest of myself at my HMO. Otherwise I would not be here to write this.
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