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Posted by Dave1 on March 19, 2002, at 19:50:59
HI,
My pdoc has been giving me the anti-psychotic GEODON, along with some other medications.
He says I'm not psychotic but can't give me a
good reason for taking it.What reasons besides psychosis would GEODON or any anti-psychotic be used for?
Thanks,
Dave
Posted by OldSchool on March 19, 2002, at 21:12:13
In reply to anti-psychotics, posted by Dave1 on March 19, 2002, at 19:50:59
> HI,
>
> My pdoc has been giving me the anti-psychotic GEODON, along with some other medications.
>
> He says I'm not psychotic but can't give me a
> good reason for taking it.
>LOL Call your state medical board and complain. Ask the medical board to call this doctor and ask why you are being put on anti-psychotics if you are not psychotic.
> What reasons besides psychosis would GEODON or any anti-psychotic be used for?If your Pdoc wont give you a reason and you are not hallucinating or hearing voices, etc. and you dont want to take the Geodon, then dont take it. In the USA you dont have to do jack diddly shit if you dont want to when it comes to taking psychiatry meds. No psychiatrist should operate the way you describe. Again, contact the medical board of your state and ask them what to do. Complain if necessary. Even change docs.
Old School
Posted by Cressida on March 19, 2002, at 23:50:29
In reply to Re: anti-psychotics, posted by OldSchool on March 19, 2002, at 21:12:13
I think anti-psychotic drugs are also used for anxiety disorders, treatment-resistant depression, agitated states, OCD , and as a major tranquilizer for sleep disturbances. If Geodon isn't helping your problem, or you're uncomfortable taking it, then don't take it. Keep in mind that psychiatrists don't like it when a patient wants to become his or her own doctor with respect to taking medication. If I were you, I would *insist* on an explanation before changing doctors or making any change on your own. Have you spoken with any pharmacologists? They can be very helpful, and sometimes they know more than the docs themselves. Best wishes. &8-]
Posted by Dave1 on March 20, 2002, at 9:14:49
In reply to Follow-Up On Geodon, posted by Cressida on March 19, 2002, at 23:50:29
HI,
I remember him saying something about a mood stabilizer. What does that mean? I have chronic
unipolar depression. No bipolar.Bye
Dave
Posted by fear_fighter on March 20, 2002, at 18:11:23
In reply to Re: Follow-Up On Geodon mood stabilizer?, posted by Dave1 on March 20, 2002, at 9:14:49
Man you should NEVER have been given that stuff for ANYTHING other than genuine psychotic behaviour. Anti-Psych drugs are quite dangerous and are often and distugstingly offered to people who show symptoms of anxiety instead of a minor tranquilliazer like diazepam/vallium. The reason is is that it is believed that major tranquillizers (anti-psych drugs) are better for anxiety than minor tranquillizers (vallium/diazepem) purely because minor tranqs have been proven to be addictive - although only by addicitve types (we can all have a drink but not all of us become alcoholics). The manufacturers of anti-psych drugs go crazy about this and state clearly that they should not be used except where absolutely essential (i.e. psychotic behaviour) and then for as short a period as possible. Permanent nerve disorders and death are reported for Anti-Psych drugs.
If you have depression only and not anxiety I would suspect foul play here. Its possible he does think that you show some mild psychotic behaviour and has lied to you which is both immoral and I suspect illegal. HOWEVER, this does not mean at all that you are psychotic at all. One pervading symptom of depressive people is that they have great imaginations, are highly contemplative and even poetic in their use of language. Now, imagine this if you will: A man with depression walks into his docs and says "I think I have depression." and then the doc says "Please describe the sysmptoms of the depression to me" and then the man says "It's just like a big heavy black cloud that follows me around all day and I sometimes feel its crushing me. Its killing me".
NOW: That could easily be taken literaly and diagnosed as a dellusion or hallucination when in fact the depressive person is just waxing lyrical and being a bit creative and poetic in his descriptions. A good doc might investigate and make sure what actual beliefs the person has with regard to this depression and whether they really think a dark cloud is going to kill them. A poor, lazy or rushed doc will just prescribe an anti-psych drug in order to cover himself (should you go out and shoot somebody or yourself) and also to see if your symptoms go away.
In either case man its wrong. Change doctors - its that simple - get a second opinion.
Posted by OldSchool on March 20, 2002, at 21:18:16
In reply to Re: Follow-Up On Geodon mood stabilizer?, posted by fear_fighter on March 20, 2002, at 18:11:23
> Man you should NEVER have been given that stuff for ANYTHING other than genuine psychotic behaviour. Anti-Psych drugs are quite dangerous and are often and distugstingly offered to people who show symptoms of anxiety instead of a minor tranquilliazer like diazepam/vallium. The reason is is that it is believed that major tranquillizers (anti-psych drugs) are better for anxiety than minor tranquillizers (vallium/diazepem) purely because minor tranqs have been proven to be addictive - although only by addicitve types (we can all have a drink but not all of us become alcoholics). The manufacturers of anti-psych drugs go crazy about this and state clearly that they should not be used except where absolutely essential (i.e. psychotic behaviour) and then for as short a period as possible. Permanent nerve disorders and death are reported for Anti-Psych drugs.
>
> If you have depression only and not anxiety I would suspect foul play here. Its possible he does think that you show some mild psychotic behaviour and has lied to you which is both immoral and I suspect illegal. HOWEVER, this does not mean at all that you are psychotic at all. One pervading symptom of depressive people is that they have great imaginations, are highly contemplative and even poetic in their use of language. Now, imagine this if you will: A man with depression walks into his docs and says "I think I have depression." and then the doc says "Please describe the sysmptoms of the depression to me" and then the man says "It's just like a big heavy black cloud that follows me around all day and I sometimes feel its crushing me. Its killing me".
>
> NOW: That could easily be taken literaly and diagnosed as a dellusion or hallucination when in fact the depressive person is just waxing lyrical and being a bit creative and poetic in his descriptions. A good doc might investigate and make sure what actual beliefs the person has with regard to this depression and whether they really think a dark cloud is going to kill them. A poor, lazy or rushed doc will just prescribe an anti-psych drug in order to cover himself (should you go out and shoot somebody or yourself) and also to see if your symptoms go away.
>
> In either case man its wrong. Change doctors - its that simple - get a second opinion.I agree. Im still having muscle twitches and SHIT cause of atypical anti-psychotic drugs. My right side is still mildly weak cause of these drugs. And I didnt even take a heavy dose. Just a piddly dose used for "anxiety." I hate these drugs and what they have done to my neurological health.
If you need a mood stabilizer, take lithium, depakote, Neurontin or Lamictal. Leave the atypicals alone. BTW if your Pdoc thinks you need a mood stabilizer he probably doesnt think you are unipolar.
Old School
Posted by ben on March 21, 2002, at 12:45:23
In reply to Re: Follow-Up On Geodon mood stabilizer?, posted by OldSchool on March 20, 2002, at 21:18:16
Mood stabilizers aren`t used to treat bipolar disorders alone ! They are often more efficient for bipolars but could also do a good job for unipolar depression as augmentation strategies. Further it isnt easy to say thats an unipolar type because mania/hypomania can appear suddenly or existed before depression and no one remarked it ! Not all manias or hypomanias are full blown !
Posted by shelliR on March 22, 2002, at 19:41:23
In reply to anti-psychotics, posted by Dave1 on March 19, 2002, at 19:50:59
Dave,
I'm not going to give my advise on taking Geodon,
but for some people APs make all the difference in treating unipolar depression. They are usually used in conjuction with ADs. I think the new AP are given because they have only a very small chance of causing tardive dyskenisia, but can be extremely effective.Re mood stabilizers, most are also used with ADs, but I knew there has been success with lamictal alone.
Shelli
Posted by David Smith on March 23, 2002, at 23:18:09
In reply to anti-psychotics, posted by Dave1 on March 19, 2002, at 19:50:59
Hey Dave. You did ask for a reason why your doctor might prescribe GEODON. Perhaps he wants to turn you into a mindless zombie? Who knows what is next. ECT? Before you take ANOTHER mind killing drug, talk it over with another physician. WE are responsible for our own health. And "doctors" do have a financial incentive to keep us as patients. Whatever you decide let it be your decision.
p.s. I have taken GEODON and it seemed to induce mania. Best of luck !
Posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:45:57
In reply to Re: anti-psychotics, posted by David Smith on March 23, 2002, at 23:18:09
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 11:20:20
In reply to Re: anti-psychotics, posted by David Smith on March 23, 2002, at 23:18:09
> Perhaps he wants to turn you into a mindless zombie?
Please don't exaggerate or overgeneralize, thanks.
Bob
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