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Posted by Denise528 on March 24, 2002, at 12:04:52
Hello,
How do anti-psychotic drugs help relieve depression? Can somebody explain?
Denise
Posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:08:25
In reply to How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by Denise528 on March 24, 2002, at 12:04:52
They don't help depression. Contrary to popular belief,people heal themselves.
Drugs just provide the distraction while the brain is healing itself.
Posted by crepuscular on March 24, 2002, at 17:30:46
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:08:25
what, neurologically speaking, is "distraction?"
> They don't help depression. Contrary to popular belief,people heal themselves.
> Drugs just provide the distraction while the brain is healing itself.
Posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:42:23
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by crepuscular on March 24, 2002, at 17:30:46
Sorry. I am not a doctor. I admit I may be feeling a bit frustrated with my current regimen of drugs. I apologise.
Posted by JahL on March 24, 2002, at 20:11:35
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:08:25
> They don't help depression.
Wrong. Promazine improves my depressive symptoms. So we can say that APs help at least some depressives.
>Contrary to popular belief,people heal themselves.
How would I go about doing that then?
J.
PS-can you stop name-checking Breggin? Point out the pitfalls of taking pmeds by all means, but don't give this scaremongering health fascist any more coverage than he needs (ie none). Thanks.
Posted by OldSchool on March 24, 2002, at 21:36:03
In reply to How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by Denise528 on March 24, 2002, at 12:04:52
> Hello,
>
> How do anti-psychotic drugs help relieve depression? Can somebody explain?
>
> DeniseEvery atypical anti-psychotic I took made me markedly more depressed, particularly when I combined them with antidepressants. I personally do not understand the trend for using atypical antipsychotics in major depression. Factor in the ever present risk of EPS or even TD and its not worth it in my opinion.
ECT is the old way of treating psychotic depression and I believe it still has very strong merits for treating psychotic mood disorders to this very day.
Old School
Posted by ChrisK on March 25, 2002, at 2:44:20
In reply to How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by Denise528 on March 24, 2002, at 12:04:52
Just about every med we talk about here has an effect on our brain chemistries in some way. To me it doesn't matter if you want to call them AP's, AD's, whatever, they are still in general psych meds.
If someone could answer yur question they would go a long way to helping all of us. Many times the How question can be explained scientifically but the Why questionis more important. Why do people who apparently have the same depressive symptoms respond so differently to the same meds.
I've taken Zyprexa for 3-4 years now and will continue to take it. It virtually eliminated my very suicidal thought patterns. All I wanted to do was die but shortly after starting Zyprexa that cloud lifted and my thinking became much more rational. Of course this came after I didn't have any response to Risperdal. That AP just made me completely numb to the world.
I think people just get far too hung up on having the word psychotic attached to their meds or their depression. Try to think of these as brain meds instead of all of the names already associated with them and then look for the one(s) that really relieve your symptoms.
> Hello,
>
> How do anti-psychotic drugs help relieve depression? Can somebody explain?
>
> Denise
Posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:48:16
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:08:25
> They don't help depression. Contrary to popular belief,people heal themselves.
> Drugs just provide the distraction while the brain is healing itself.I'vew been intrigued with your posts. They seem to contradict themselves.
Posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:58:00
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by crepuscular on March 24, 2002, at 17:30:46
Posted by colin wallace on March 25, 2002, at 9:18:47
In reply to Good one! Damn fine. (nm) » crepuscular, posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:58:00
Distraction is a term commonly used in the esoteric field of vetinary neuroscience, a branch of animal medicine research pioneered by that most eminent vetinary neuroticist, Ivan Bregginovsky.Bregginovsky postulates that the often over-burdened domestic mule will sometimes diplay signs of mental lassitude and distress,similar to those exhibited by battle weary troops.This distress manifests itself in the mules desire to colour its own genitalia green, often employing borrowed combat fatigues for this purpose, when paint is unavailable.
The distraction manouevre is a novel method Bregginovsky employs to remove the green adornment, by means of mouthing repetitive incantations directed toward the mule's genitalia, with the similtaneous application of a suppository in the animal's rear.Bregginovsky commented, 'this oral form of intervention seems to stimulate a hardy response from the mule, and a marked reduction in its symptoms- in short, I seem to provide it with substantial relief.'
He added, 'The exact mechanisms by which this occurs are unknown, but you can be certain that no discourtesy or incivility is intended toward the mule, nor anyone else.'
Posted by crepuscular on March 25, 2002, at 10:34:11
In reply to How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by Denise528 on March 24, 2002, at 12:04:52
hee hee hee,
whatever neurological distraction is(neuron: "hey, what is this blob of a molecule doing here? hmm, guess i better shove it downline...") i'm dang happy with seroquel keeping my errant synapses busy with other things rather than sending me packets of horribly intrusive, angry negative thoughts.
it has worked better (combined with zo) for my bipolar cycling than anything yet. our brains & bodies are so idiosyncratic i'm not sure there is a good explanation as to why some people might react positively and others poorly.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 11:03:34
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:08:25
> They don't help depression. Contrary to popular belief,people heal themselves.
> Drugs just provide the distraction while the brain is healing itself.Please don't exaggerate or overgeneralize, thanks.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 11:06:46
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression? » David Smith, posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:48:16
> I'vew been intrigued with your posts. They seem to contradict themselves.
Sorry about not stepping in sooner, but please don't post anything that others could take as accusatory or put them down, thanks.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 11:10:44
In reply to Neurological definition of distraction....., posted by colin wallace on March 25, 2002, at 9:18:47
> Distraction is a term commonly used in the esoteric field of vetinary neuroscience, a branch of animal medicine research pioneered by that most eminent vetinary neuroticist, Ivan Bregginovsky...
Again, sorry about not stepping in sooner, but please don't be sarcastic, thanks.
Bob
Posted by paulb on March 25, 2002, at 11:27:31
In reply to How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by Denise528 on March 24, 2002, at 12:04:52
I think the new atypical antipsychotics are used for depression. They may be effective on their own for anxiety and they can be effective for enhancing the effects of an antidepressant. For example Olanzapine on its own might have very little ad effect but added to Fluoxetine may be very beneficial. By blocking Serotonin 2 receptors more serotonin can act at other receptors. You get a Nefazadone like effect I guess. But also by blocking Dopamine receptors may help stimulate the release of more serotonin.
There may be other reasons other people have explained but that is my understanding of how antipsychotics help depression.
paulb
Posted by Denise528 on March 25, 2002, at 11:51:09
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by paulb on March 25, 2002, at 11:27:31
PaulB,
Thanks for that explanation, however, how does blocking dopamine receptors help stimulate more serotonin?
Denise
Posted by Janelle on March 25, 2002, at 15:08:36
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help - PaulB, posted by Denise528 on March 25, 2002, at 11:51:09
Posted by Janelle on March 25, 2002, at 15:14:57
In reply to I have SAME question as Denise! (nm) » Denise528, posted by Janelle on March 25, 2002, at 15:08:36
Posted by Zo on March 26, 2002, at 2:51:49
In reply to Re: How do Anti-Psychotic drugs help depression?, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:42:23
Um. . . .maybe I over-reacted a teeny bit. May-----be. One would have never imagined from your earlier posts that here is a guy who shares one's own problems!
I hope you stick around, and am sorry if I discouraged you. We've had some major time-wasters of flame wars. . .nobody wins.. .And it's hard, but I, for one, would like to keep some parameters on the monumental task we *are* forced to struggle with, here. It's tough enough to live these lives, ten, twenty years trying with all one's heart to get a chemical balance--there are some courageous folks here. You can understand, I think, how unhelpful to be presented with the No-Med position. And rather a breach of our sense of safe community. There aren't many places we can go and talk like this.
Warmly,
Zo
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