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Posted by sid on January 1, 2002, at 10:25:34
I am taking Effexor XR - for 36 days now, and most side effects have subsided. However, the increased bruxism is still there and it is starting to bother me. I get headaches, which I believe are caused by it. And my teeth are not made of steel... I broke a tooth some years ago due to bruxism (non-medication related), so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance.
PS: I also yawn and feel very sleepy a few times a day, but it lasts 5-10 minutes and passes. I can live with that side effect, it's no real problem.
Posted by ben on January 1, 2002, at 11:25:26
In reply to Med to fight bruxism?, posted by sid on January 1, 2002, at 10:25:34
Clonazepam (Rivotril) and Buspirone (Buspar) are possible options to "treat" it. Headache esp. in the morning could be of bruxism. When I went off Paxil bruxism stopped.
> I am taking Effexor XR - for 36 days now, and most side effects have subsided. However, the increased bruxism is still there and it is starting to bother me. I get headaches, which I believe are caused by it. And my teeth are not made of steel... I broke a tooth some years ago due to bruxism (non-medication related), so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
>
> Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance.
>
> PS: I also yawn and feel very sleepy a few times a day, but it lasts 5-10 minutes and passes. I can live with that side effect, it's no real problem.
Posted by ST on January 1, 2002, at 19:56:06
In reply to Med to fight bruxism?, posted by sid on January 1, 2002, at 10:25:34
Sid-
Once I started Effexor XR I noticed my jaw being tense in the morning and noticed my teeth clenched in the middle of the night. So I take a Valerian capsule (or two) before I go to bed and it has disappeared.
Here's some info about it:
http://www.1001herbs.com/valerian/
-Sarah
Posted by Willow on January 1, 2002, at 22:25:50
In reply to Re: Med to fight bruxism?, posted by ST on January 1, 2002, at 19:56:06
Posted by Bill L on January 2, 2002, at 8:25:26
In reply to Med to fight bruxism?, posted by sid on January 1, 2002, at 10:25:34
The dentist can make you a mouthguard. It costs about $200. Or you could try a mouth guard for bruxism from the drug store for about $10.
> I am taking Effexor XR - for 36 days now, and most side effects have subsided. However, the increased bruxism is still there and it is starting to bother me. I get headaches, which I believe are caused by it. And my teeth are not made of steel... I broke a tooth some years ago due to bruxism (non-medication related), so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
>
> Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance.
>
> PS: I also yawn and feel very sleepy a few times a day, but it lasts 5-10 minutes and passes. I can live with that side effect, it's no real problem.
Posted by sid on January 2, 2002, at 11:28:14
In reply to Re: Med to fight bruxism?, posted by Bill L on January 2, 2002, at 8:25:26
Posted by ben on January 2, 2002, at 11:28:20
In reply to Re: Med to fight bruxism?, posted by Bill L on January 2, 2002, at 8:25:26
Yes. I have this still on at night. I would have one of my dentist. Its much more comfortable than that one from the health store. Its the money worth because you can develop arthrosis if you dont do something.
The dentist can make you a mouthguard. It costs about $200. Or you could try a mouth guard for bruxism from the drug store for about $10.
>
> > I am taking Effexor XR - for 36 days now, and most side effects have subsided. However, the increased bruxism is still there and it is starting to bother me. I get headaches, which I believe are caused by it. And my teeth are not made of steel... I broke a tooth some years ago due to bruxism (non-medication related), so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
> >
> > Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > PS: I also yawn and feel very sleepy a few times a day, but it lasts 5-10 minutes and passes. I can live with that side effect, it's no real problem.
Posted by sid on January 2, 2002, at 11:35:25
In reply to Re: Med to fight bruxism?, posted by ben on January 2, 2002, at 11:28:20
Thanks for the suggestion.
I have one already however. It prevents you from grinding your teeth and chipping the enamel away, but the bruxism continues anyway. So the headaches as well, and the tooth breaking if the pressure is high enough.For people in Canada: I only paid 125$ Canadian dollars in Canada for a mouth guard at the dentist's, adjustments included in the price. No government involvment, and job very well done too.
> Yes. I have this still on at night. I would have one of my dentist. Its much more comfortable than that one from the health store. Its the money worth because you can develop arthrosis if you dont do something.
>
> The dentist can make you a mouthguard. It costs about $200. Or you could try a mouth guard for bruxism from the drug store for about $10.
> >
> > > I am taking Effexor XR - for 36 days now, and most side effects have subsided. However, the increased bruxism is still there and it is starting to bother me. I get headaches, which I believe are caused by it. And my teeth are not made of steel... I broke a tooth some years ago due to bruxism (non-medication related), so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
> > >
> > > Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > PS: I also yawn and feel very sleepy a few times a day, but it lasts 5-10 minutes and passes. I can live with that side effect, it's no real problem.
Posted by JohnX2 on January 3, 2002, at 22:15:24
In reply to Med to fight bruxism?, posted by sid on January 1, 2002, at 10:25:34
This can be caused by excessive serotonin
blocking dopamine release via the 5ht-2
serotonin receptor junction.antidotes:
Gabaergic meds:
-klonopin (works great)
-baclofenAnti-serotonergic meds:
-buspar (mediates serotonin release)
-Serzone,Remeron,Zyprexa,more..(Basically
any med that blocks the 5ht-2 serotonin receptor)good luck. the lockjaw sucks.
-john
> I am taking Effexor XR - for 36 days now, and most side effects have subsided. However, the increased bruxism is still there and it is starting to bother me. I get headaches, which I believe are caused by it. And my teeth are not made of steel... I broke a tooth some years ago due to bruxism (non-medication related), so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
>
> Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance.
>
> PS: I also yawn and feel very sleepy a few times a day, but it lasts 5-10 minutes and passes. I can live with that side effect, it's no real problem.
Posted by sid on January 4, 2002, at 11:57:49
In reply to Re: Med to fight bruxism? » sid, posted by JohnX2 on January 3, 2002, at 22:15:24
Posted by sid on January 10, 2002, at 14:05:22
In reply to Re: Med to fight bruxism?, posted by ST on January 1, 2002, at 19:56:06
My doc advised me NOT to take valerian for bruxism with Effexor XR. She received info that says it affects neuro-transmitters, but in what way? It's is not clear. So ultimately you may get more or less of the effect of your medicine than intended.
> Sid-
> Once I started Effexor XR I noticed my jaw being tense in the morning and noticed my teeth clenched in the middle of the night. So I take a Valerian capsule (or two) before I go to bed and it has disappeared.
> Here's some info about it:
> http://www.1001herbs.com/valerian/
> -Sarah
Posted by ST on January 10, 2002, at 17:21:26
In reply to No valerian with AD's » ST, posted by sid on January 10, 2002, at 14:05:22
Sid-
Oh no! How the heck am I going to sleep at night? This Effexor is keeping me wide awake. Thanks for the info, though. I'm going to look in to it further.
Sarah> My doc advised me NOT to take valerian for bruxism with Effexor XR. She received info that says it affects neuro-transmitters, but in what way? It's is not clear. So ultimately you may get more or less of the effect of your medicine than intended.
>
Posted by sid on January 10, 2002, at 17:56:29
In reply to Re: No valerian with AD's, posted by ST on January 10, 2002, at 17:21:26
Sorry about it... I hope you find a way.
> Sid-
> Oh no! How the heck am I going to sleep at night? This Effexor is keeping me wide awake. Thanks for the info, though. I'm going to look in to it further.
> Sarah
>
> > My doc advised me NOT to take valerian for bruxism with Effexor XR. She received info that says it affects neuro-transmitters, but in what way? It's is not clear. So ultimately you may get more or less of the effect of your medicine than intended.
> >
Posted by KB on January 11, 2002, at 6:32:16
In reply to Re: No valerian with AD's » ST, posted by sid on January 10, 2002, at 17:56:29
I've taken Valerian with my Celexa/Welbutrin combo without any trouble. I believe it is chemically similar to a benzodiazepine, though very mild.
Posted by ST on January 11, 2002, at 17:30:10
In reply to Re: No valerian with AD's, posted by KB on January 11, 2002, at 6:32:16
Yeah, I checked with my pdoc and he looked into it. Supposedly there's nothing wrong with it. I like that it's naturally derived.
I used to be on Celexa/Wellbutrin. Is it working well for you?
Sarah
> I've taken Valerian with my Celexa/Welbutrin combo without any trouble. I believe it is chemically similar to a benzodiazepine, though very mild.
Posted by KB on January 12, 2002, at 9:36:27
In reply to Re: No valerian with AD's, posted by ST on January 11, 2002, at 17:30:10
> I used to be on Celexa/Wellbutrin. Is it working well for you?
> SarahIt sems to be - I had a bad week, but I think that was just prednisone withdrawal and it's getting better now
Posted by BarbaraCat on January 12, 2002, at 19:59:26
In reply to No valerian with AD's » ST, posted by sid on January 10, 2002, at 14:05:22
Extra calcium and especially magnesium have helped somewhat for me. Nutritional docs say that we're all depleted in magnesium which causes major muscle clenching. A liquid form works best since we're also pretty compromised in our gut assimilation. Did you know that receptor sites are found all over our guts - the second brain, it's called. Anyhow, magnesium citrate or glyccinate is the recommended form. It may cause some loose bowels, but hey, druther than than constipation any day.
> My doc advised me NOT to take valerian for bruxism with Effexor XR. She received info that says it affects neuro-transmitters, but in what way? It's is not clear. So ultimately you may get more or less of the effect of your medicine than intended.
>
> > Sid-
> > Once I started Effexor XR I noticed my jaw being tense in the morning and noticed my teeth clenched in the middle of the night. So I take a Valerian capsule (or two) before I go to bed and it has disappeared.
> > Here's some info about it:
> > http://www.1001herbs.com/valerian/
> > -Sarah
Posted by MoBe on September 29, 2002, at 13:59:41
In reply to Re: No valerian with AD's, posted by KB on January 11, 2002, at 6:32:16
> I've taken Valerian with my Celexa/Welbutrin combo without any trouble. I believe it is chemically similar to a benzodiazepine, though very mild.
>I've also used valerian, this time to counter night myoclonus that I'm getting from taking 30mg of remeron at night. My doctor and pharmacist were concerned that both drugs use the cytochrome (CYP45) enzyme pathway and the remeron might accumulate too much in the system. I'm wonder if benzodiazapenes also do this? All serotonin boosting meds seem to cause this myoclonus except for St. John's Wort. Some of them caused very severly such as celexa and zoloft. Remeron causes it less; but symptoms do increase as the dose goes up. Has anyone out there got night myoclonus and had it successfully treated by their doctor, especially by a med that is unlikely to either cause harm in the long run or to make the depression worse. Thanks.
MoBe
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