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Posted by IsoM on January 8, 2002, at 1:20:18
In reply to Oops, actually not my theory. » IsoM, posted by Dinah on January 7, 2002, at 19:01:32
That's okay, I didn't quite mean literally your "theory". I probably was in a Monty Python frame of mind. But still, it's what I believe is true of depression's predominance nowadays too.
The Monty Python sketch was where John Cleese dressed as a woman professor was giving 'her' theory on dinosaurs. Everytime I say the word theory that sketch pops into my head.
> I should have said my opinion. I'm sure I read it somewhere and just found it a sensible notion. I don't want to take credit for it. :-)
Posted by JANNBEAU on January 8, 2002, at 10:58:41
In reply to Re: effexor scares me » JANNBEAU, posted by Dinah on January 7, 2002, at 19:09:25
> Hi Jannbeau,
> I'd be happy to continue this discussion of the history and evolution of depression, but I think we'd better move it to Psycho-Social-Babble before Dr. Bob redirects it. I'll post a reply there if you'd like to continue the discussion.
> DinahHi, Dinah. That sounds great. I'll see you at Psycho-Social-Babble if I can figure out how to find you. I am new at this,so I haven't explored all the forums, but I did realize that we were straying from the Effexor thread. Thanks for redirect. BTW, I am feeling so much better since I started Effexor (and another to reduce the sedative effects that seemed to be crippling me) that I actually enjoy the philosophical discussions.
Cheers, JannBeau
Posted by zekingprawn on January 8, 2002, at 11:25:19
In reply to Re: Recovered and Happy! No More Drugs for Me!!, posted by Dolphin on January 3, 2002, at 22:25:14
Dolphin, you are right, if it works for you, then THAT IS GREAT FOR YOU. What made me realize this was reading the following that you wrote:
"God did not make Effexor, Paxil, Prozac, etc. However, he did create what our body needs to survive and live."
Let's not bring God into this. God may not have made EFfexor, etc... but he didn't make Penecillin, The Polio Vaccine, The small POx Vaccine, either... but he made the diseases himself. It gets so tiring hearing people praise God for everything good, but for anything bad he had nothing to do with it. He made people, and people are depressed.
It is one thing to use this post to say that something works for you, and another to try to discourage people from using something because 'God didn't make it'.
I had tremendous success with effexor (for anyone who cares, I put up a post called 'effexor success story') so it does work for some people in treating this horrible horrible disease that GOD inflicts.
Posted by JANNBEAU on January 8, 2002, at 12:14:40
In reply to Re: Recovered and Happy! No More Drugs for Me!!, posted by zekingprawn on January 8, 2002, at 11:25:19
> Dolphin, you are right, if it works for you, then THAT IS GREAT FOR YOU. What made me realize this was reading the following that you wrote:
>
> "God did not make Effexor, Paxil, Prozac, etc. However, he did create what our body needs to survive and live."
>
> Let's not bring God into this. God may not have made EFfexor, etc... but he didn't make Penecillin, The Polio Vaccine, The small POx Vaccine, either... but he made the diseases himself. It gets so tiring hearing people praise God for everything good, but for anything bad he had nothing to do with it. He made people, and people are depressed.
>
> It is one thing to use this post to say that something works for you, and another to try to discourage people from using something because 'God didn't make it'.
>
> I had tremendous success with effexor (for anyone who cares, I put up a post called 'effexor success story') so it does work for some people in treating this horrible horrible disease that GOD inflicts.Hi, Zekingprawn: Just want to point out that your response to Dolphin is internally inconsistent. If you are going to leave God out of this, then you have to leave Him out of all of it. You cannot blame him for the depression, either!
Cheers, JannBeau
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2002, at 19:30:26
In reply to Re: effexor scares me » Dinah, posted by JANNBEAU on January 8, 2002, at 10:58:41
> Hi, Dinah. That sounds great. I'll see you at Psycho-Social-Babble if I can figure out how to find you. I am new at this,so I haven't explored all the forums, but I did realize that we were straying from the Effexor thread. Thanks for redirect.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020102/msgs/16409.html
Thanks for thinking of redirecting this piece,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2002, at 19:35:54
In reply to Re: Please don't use capital letters..., posted by angel1 on January 6, 2002, at 20:58:55
> > they denote shouting.
> WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!That's not a supportive response, so I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2002, at 19:42:14
In reply to Re: Recovered and Happy! No More Drugs for Me!!, posted by zekingprawn on January 8, 2002, at 11:25:19
> Let's not bring God into this...
Bringing God into this is OK, but should be done at Psycho-Social-Babble rather than here. Thanks,
Bob
PS: And any discussion about what should be posted where should take place at Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2002, at 19:56:07
In reply to Re: Recovered and Happy! No More Drugs for Me!! » Dolphin, posted by Cam W. on January 7, 2002, at 0:03:44
> Please back up your statements with scientific evidence. "Opinions" don't hold much water...
>
> What are "sea vegetables"? What you are describing sounds like manna, or more frighteningly, "Soylent Green"...I understand that you're skeptical and want more information, but please don't be sarcastic or put pressure on others, thanks.
Bob
Posted by JANNBEAU on January 9, 2002, at 10:43:49
In reply to Redirect: Depression and history, posted by Dr. Bob on January 8, 2002, at 19:30:26
> Here's a link:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020102/msgs/16409.html
>
> Thanks for thinking of redirecting this piece,
>
> BobThanks for the link, Dr. Bob.
Cheers,
JannBeau
Posted by Cindylou on January 9, 2002, at 12:46:10
In reply to Re: please be civil « [exasperated sigh!] (nm), posted by Cam W. on January 8, 2002, at 20:50:43
Posted by nean on January 10, 2002, at 10:16:23
In reply to Re: Effexor XR cold turkey, posted by nean on January 4, 2002, at 14:45:25
Just wanted to report in. Mainly for new people like me who wonder on to this site. I've been off for 8 days after taking 150mg for almost a year. I don't feel 100%, but the worse of it seems to be over for me. I can at least function now. Thanks again for being out here as a source of information.
Posted by JANNBEAU on January 10, 2002, at 13:31:56
In reply to Re: Effexor XR cold turkey, posted by nean on January 10, 2002, at 10:16:23
> Just wanted to report in. Mainly for new people like me who wonder on to this site. I've been off for 8 days after taking 150mg for almost a year. I don't feel 100%, but the worse of it seems to be over for me. I can at least function now. Thanks again for being out here as a source of information.
Nean, that's wonderful news. Gives me hope that I can do it, too. I told my doctor about problems others have had and she said she had never had a patient who had significant difficulty witdrawing from Effexor--didn't know what to believe, but was already taking the medication, so your experience is reassuring. Thanks!
JannBeau
Posted by melmel on January 10, 2002, at 14:06:11
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
i've been on effexor xr for approx 2 months now, 225 mg in the morning. i've noticed lately that when i first get up, before i take the medicine, if i wave my hand in front of my face (or another object moves by), it has a trailer behind it. (by trailer i mean like a tail following behind, kind of hallucinogenic) very weird. anyone else experience this?
Posted by IsoM on January 10, 2002, at 15:05:47
In reply to new side effect, posted by melmel on January 10, 2002, at 14:06:11
I'm not going to be of much help to you but I always have had it, meds or not. It seems to part of the package that's described in the subsyndromal epilepsy questionnaire on another page on Dr. Bob's site. It's never bothered me though.
> i've been on effexor xr for approx 2 months now, 225 mg in the morning. i've noticed lately that when i first get up, before i take the medicine, if i wave my hand in front of my face (or another object moves by), it has a trailer behind it. (by trailer i mean like a tail following behind, kind of hallucinogenic) very weird. anyone else experience this?
Posted by ddurkee on January 10, 2002, at 15:15:02
In reply to What to do? , posted by Kara on January 18, 2001, at 9:50:42
I'm curious that you were diagnosed with anemia. I've been on Effexor for clinical depression for about 6 weeks. A couple weeks before I started the drug, I donated blood, and had no problems doing so. However, today, my hematocrit reading (iron) was too low. I'm waiting to hear from my doctor if it's an interaction from the drug (don't you just love doctors?) but I'm curious if the low iron count is a result of the drug, seeing as I've never had that problem when giving blood before.
Posted by Teva on January 10, 2002, at 20:34:01
In reply to new side effect, posted by melmel on January 10, 2002, at 14:06:11
> i've been on effexor xr for approx 2 months now, 225 mg in the morning. i've noticed lately that when i first get up, before i take the medicine, if i wave my hand in front of my face (or another object moves by), it has a trailer behind it. (by trailer i mean like a tail following behind, kind of hallucinogenic) very weird. anyone else experience this?
Absolutely! I found that it was especially bad if I missed a day. I hope it clears up for you.
Teva
Posted by sweet_slider on January 11, 2002, at 2:10:08
In reply to Re: What to do? , posted by ddurkee on January 10, 2002, at 15:15:02
I noticed the same thing when I went to give blood, it came up on the first machine(or initial test that they do)as too low but then they did a second test and my count was low but acceptable in their terms to give blood.
Dr. Bob do you have any idea if that is a side effect or just coincidence? I have been on Effexor XR for 5 months now and I have never had a problem with low iron before.
Posted by sid on January 11, 2002, at 8:15:47
In reply to Re: What to do? }}ddurkee Dr. Bob, posted by sweet_slider on January 11, 2002, at 2:10:08
Perhaps it has to do with Effexor, but it could just be that you give blood too often. I used to give blood every... (minimum allowed interval between blood giving at the Red Cross - can't remember; 2 or 3 months?), and at some point I had the same problem. I was told to wait a while because I had given too often and my blood needed more time to rebuild correctly.
> I noticed the same thing when I went to give blood, it came up on the first machine(or initial test that they do)as too low but then they did a second test and my count was low but acceptable in their terms to give blood.
> Dr. Bob do you have any idea if that is a side effect or just coincidence? I have been on Effexor XR for 5 months now and I have never had a problem with low iron before.
Posted by ddurkee on January 11, 2002, at 9:37:18
In reply to Re: What to do? }}ddurkee Dr. Bob » sweet_slider, posted by sid on January 11, 2002, at 8:15:47
True, and even though the last time I gave blood was only 8 weeks ago, the time before that was 2-3 years. I did look up some information on Wyeth's website and found that anemia is listed as an infrequent side effect, as opposed to a frequent or rare side effect. Still waiting to hear from my doctor! Thanks for the thoughts.
Posted by sweet_slider on January 11, 2002, at 13:33:32
In reply to Re: What to do? }}ddurkee Dr. Bob » sweet_slider, posted by sid on January 11, 2002, at 8:15:47
That could also be very true but in my case it was my first time donating blood and also it has come up on independent blood tests that my iron was low, I was having surgery and they had to give me extra IV's of something to make sure I had enough for surgery. I don't know much about blood and iron counts so I can't begin to speculate why it was low but I think it may have to do with one of the medications I am on, perhaps not the Effexor XR.
Cheers!
Posted by JANNBEAU on January 11, 2002, at 18:00:07
In reply to Re: What to do? }} Sid, posted by sweet_slider on January 11, 2002, at 13:33:32
OK, At this point, I cannot resist putting my two cents in here.
There are many types of anemias. Iron deficiency anemia is a SIGN of an illness, not the illness itself. Although there may be many reasons for the finding, a very important cause for IDA is BLOOD LOSS. In the absence of conclusive evidence to the contrary, all IDA must be considered the result of blood loss until proved otherwise. In addition to acute blood loss, slow, insidious loss of blood over a long period of time (sometimes years; and including menstrual loss) will result in the so-called "iron deficiency" anemias.
If you have a diagnosis, then disregard this message. Otherwise, I suggest that you request an appointment with a competent internist for a work-up.
Also, many of the reported "side effects" of any drug are the result of post-marketing voluntary reporting of observations of individual patients in which the drug may not be the causal agent. Only well-designed double-blind clinical trials of sufficient size to detect rare occurrances of side effects can separate out these effects. On the other hand, such studies are difficult to do and, often, the more rare side effects of a drug can't be distinguished in the types of premarketing investigations mandated by the FDA.
Cheers,
JANNBEAU>That could also be very true but in my case it was my first time donating blood and also it has come up on independent blood tests that my iron was low, I was having surgery and they had to give me extra IV's of something to make sure I had enough for surgery. I don't know much about blood and iron counts so I can't begin to speculate why it was low but I think it may have to do with one of the medications I am on, perhaps not the Effexor XR.
> Cheers!
Posted by ddurkee on January 11, 2002, at 18:43:29
In reply to Re: What to do? }} Sid » sweet_slider, posted by JANNBEAU on January 11, 2002, at 18:00:07
My doctor did get in touch with me today and I had blood drawn for a complete blood count and some iron level testing. She says it's not the medication. I still find it odd though that I was perfectly fine donating blood two months ago, and my period is actually next week. Well, we'll see what happens! Thanks for the thoughts everyone, and sorry my last post came up three times... I kept getting proxy errors when posting from work and thought it didn't post. Silly firewalls!
Posted by Paulio on January 12, 2002, at 13:57:36
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hello...I am new to this group. After a month and a half of battling depression I finally went to the doctor. He prescribed me Effexor XR 75mg per day. I found this bulletin board researching the drug. Half of what I've read is encouraging, the other half scares the daylights out of me. I've had depression twice before. Was on Prozac at first (2 weeks of euphoria, then nothing). I was switched to Wellbutrin with Trazodone to sleep and that combo didn't sit well with me either. So
here I sit with this bottle of Effexor XR wondering to start on it or not. The withdrawal stories scare the hell out of me. Any advice ????
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 12, 2002, at 15:19:18
In reply to Re: Effexor XR cold turkey » nean, posted by JANNBEAU on January 10, 2002, at 13:31:56
I think its important to withdraw from effexor slowly, so please don't do cold turkey... some people are fine, some aren't - is it worth the risk?? After 7 days cold turkeying from effexor I went back on it.. my pdoc also contacted the makers he was so concerned and they admitted to some instances of problems.
By withdrawing slowly there seems to be little problem, maybe a few, but not alot.. so reduce your amount slowly over about 3 - 4 weeks and see how that goes.
Good luck,
Nikki
Posted by MaKi on January 12, 2002, at 19:25:50
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by Paulio on January 12, 2002, at 13:57:36
Hi Paulio,
I don't think you have anything to worry about Effexor XR.
I've been on the medication for almost six weeks now and I
have never once yet experienced any side effects. As for the
withdrawal part, I don't think you should dwell on that just
yet, just worry about getting better first, then once it's time
to get off the medication, you can think about it then.Good luck,
MaKi
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