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Posted by JohnB on May 5, 2000, at 16:42:34
According to William Haskell, exercise expert an Stanford University Medical School, besides helping to keep fit, exercise "improves the ability of insulin to enter cells, so it lowers the risk of diabetes. It also lowers the risk of heart disease by improving blood clotting mechanisms, lowering triglycerides, and raising HDL (good) cholesterol."
"In our studies, exercise improved sleep in people with modest sleep dysfunction, that is, people who take a long time to fall asleep or who wake up frequently at night."
"Exercise isn't a panacea, but it has consistently been shown to help relieve (mild forms of) both depression and anxiety."
Posted by tina on May 5, 2000, at 16:51:35
In reply to Exercise; Part II, posted by JohnB on May 5, 2000, at 16:42:34
Well thank you william Haskell! What happens when exercise GIVES you panic attacks and INCREASES depression? That's what it does to me and Fred.
According to William Haskell, exercise expert an Stanford University Medical School, besides helping to keep fit, exercise "improves the ability of insulin to enter cells, so it lowers the risk of diabetes. It also lowers the risk of heart disease by improving blood clotting mechanisms, lowering triglycerides, and raising HDL (good) cholesterol."
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> "In our studies, exercise improved sleep in people with modest sleep dysfunction, that is, people who take a long time to fall asleep or who wake up frequently at night."
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> "Exercise isn't a panacea, but it has consistently been shown to help relieve (mild forms of) both depression and anxiety."
Posted by harry b. on May 5, 2000, at 17:51:32
In reply to Exercise; Part II, posted by JohnB on May 5, 2000, at 16:42:34
Posted by JohnB on May 5, 2000, at 18:56:34
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by tina on May 5, 2000, at 16:51:35
> Well thank you william Haskell! What happens when exercise GIVES you panic attacks and INCREASES depression? That's what it does to me and Fred.
Not shure I should speak for Mr. Haskell, but he might say, "don't exercise".
Posted by Cecilia on May 7, 2000, at 0:21:22
In reply to Exercise; Part II, posted by JohnB on May 5, 2000, at 16:42:34
> According to William Haskell, exercise expert an Stanford University Medical School, besides helping to keep fit, exercise "improves the ability of insulin to enter cells, so it lowers the risk of diabetes. It also lowers the risk of heart disease by improving blood clotting mechanisms, lowering triglycerides, and raising HDL (good) cholesterol."
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> "In our studies, exercise improved sleep in people with modest sleep dysfunction, that is, people who take a long time to fall asleep or who wake up frequently at night."
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> "Exercise isn't a panacea, but it has consistently been shown to help relieve (mild forms of) both depression and anxiety."It doesn`t seem to me that studies showing the benefits of exercise for depression could be very accurate since surely those who are able to make themselves comply with the exercise program are usually those who are less depressed to begin with.
Posted by SeanT on May 7, 2000, at 15:44:07
In reply to Exercise; Part II, posted by JohnB on May 5, 2000, at 16:42:34
> According to William Haskell, exercise expert an Stanford University Medical School, besides helping to keep fit, exercise "improves the ability of insulin to enter cells, so it lowers the risk of diabetes. It also lowers the risk of heart disease by improving blood clotting mechanisms, lowering triglycerides, and raising HDL (good) cholesterol."
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> "In our studies, exercise improved sleep in people with modest sleep dysfunction, that is, people who take a long time to fall asleep or who wake up frequently at night."
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> "Exercise isn't a panacea, but it has consistently been shown to help relieve (mild forms of) both depression and anxiety."I've read something on the order of thirty articles
on the effect of exercise on depression and nearly
all of them report signficant increases in neurotransmission
in the serotonin and norepinephrine systems. Also
commonly found is improved cortisol respone, quality
of sleep, and alertness.The measurable clinical effect of exercise seems
to be less than medication, but the combination
has been shown to be significantly better than
either alone and the relapse rate for those who
exercise is significantly lower.Now, exercise is clearly not appropriate for those
who are otherwise incapacitated by disease, injury,
or age. It could never replace medication and it
certainly doesn't work as well, when a medication
wroks.I would like to say, however, that the improvement
I experienced took well over a month to happen. I
also felt worse initially, but I stuck with it because
it at least distracted me from suicidal thoughts
and even though I had no energy at all to begin
with, by the end of a month my body was responding
and in turn, my mind felt better. It now seems
integral to my recovery and I treat both with
equal gravity.SHould everybody exercise? Well, probably not. The
relationship between panic and exercise is complex.
There is evidence that certain by-products of
exercise can trigger anxiety attacks at first.
Interestingly, so can *tricyclic* antidepressants.
When I was on amitriptyline, the first couple of
weeks were tough, but when the drug finally kicked
in, it was worth waiting it out.I can't tell you how difficult it was to get my butt
exercising. It took all the willpower in the world
and only happened after months of procrastination
and suicidal ideation. But I really think it is
great long-term strategy for recovery from depression.s.
Posted by JohnB on May 7, 2000, at 23:20:31
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by SeanT on May 7, 2000, at 15:44:07
> "Exercise isn't a panacea, but it has consistently been shown to help relieve (mild forms of) both depression and anxiety."
In my original post, I was quoting from a magazine article, which I passed along because I thought it might be useful to someone. I think "isn't a panacea" is a useful phrase for almost any post giving advice on this board and should be implied by anyone reading such post. (also known as "your mileage may vary".
In the sentence quoted at the top, I added the words "help" and"(mild forms of)" because I believed that without those modifiers, the claim was too broad, and some person on this board might get false hopes. The responses to my original post show just how much variation there can be.
As you guys know, many magazine articles and people quoted in articles use terms such as "depression" in an offhand and nonscientific way, which can mean anything from a mild case of the blues to clinical depression. So I try to do what I think the editor of the magazine should have done in the first place; define terms exactly, or err on the side of conservatism.
The alternative would be to only quote from scientific studies, which sometimes can be pretty heavy going, but a least you don't have to deal with blanket generalizations.
Now, if only I could get my butt off the couch and do some exercise!
Posted by heatherlani on September 16, 2001, at 15:30:23
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by tina on May 5, 2000, at 16:51:35
> Tina, I'm just curious, does that apply to all forms of exercise for you, or just aerobic? What about yoga, or pilates?
HeatherWell thank you william Haskell! What happens when exercise GIVES you panic attacks and INCREASES depression? That's what it does to me and Fred.
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> According to William Haskell, exercise expert an Stanford University Medical School, besides helping to keep fit, exercise "improves the ability of insulin to enter cells, so it lowers the risk of diabetes. It also lowers the risk of heart disease by improving blood clotting mechanisms, lowering triglycerides, and raising HDL (good) cholesterol."
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Posted by Cindylou on September 17, 2001, at 14:42:53
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by Cecilia on May 7, 2000, at 0:21:22
> It doesn`t seem to me that studies showing the benefits of exercise for depression could be very accurate since surely those who are able to make themselves comply with the exercise program are usually those who are less depressed to begin with.
Hear, Hear!!
Posted by Maisy on September 18, 2001, at 17:42:31
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by Cindylou on September 17, 2001, at 14:42:53
Pity those of us who were exercising regularly prior to depression. I was exercising an hour a day five times a week. When I heard that it helped treat depression I thought, well screw it, what do I have to do now, do two hours a day?(!!) Good Grief!
Posted by Kristi on September 21, 2001, at 23:57:01
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by Maisy on September 18, 2001, at 17:42:31
Can I ask what kind of exercise your doing?
> Pity those of us who were exercising regularly prior to depression. I was exercising an hour a day five times a week. When I heard that it helped treat depression I thought, well screw it, what do I have to do now, do two hours a day?(!!) Good Grief!
Posted by Simcha on September 24, 2001, at 7:29:10
In reply to Re: Exercise; Part II, posted by Maisy on September 18, 2001, at 17:42:31
AMEN!!! and AMEN!!!
I had a great exercise routine before I had another encounter with a Major Depressive Episode at the beginning of the year. When I fell into the vast valley I fell off of my routine. Oh I lost weight alright... Because I wasn't eating.. I was not hungry, horney, or willing to do anything for myself...
Now that I am stabilizing on my meds I've joined a gym in my new locale and I've been good about going. I feel much better. It took meds to give me the will to take care of myself again...
> Pity those of us who were exercising regularly prior to depression. I was exercising an hour a day five times a week. When I heard that it helped treat depression I thought, well screw it, what do I have to do now, do two hours a day?(!!) Good Grief!
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