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Posted by dankdiglet on June 8, 2001, at 23:32:08
http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/1stQtr_2001/022401Paxil.html
Posted by SalArmy4me on June 8, 2001, at 23:34:23
In reply to PAXIL, posted by dankdiglet on June 8, 2001, at 23:32:08
Paxil gave life back to my mother.
> http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/1stQtr_2001/022401Paxil.html
Posted by blackjack on June 9, 2001, at 16:29:13
In reply to Re: PAXIL, posted by SalArmy4me on June 8, 2001, at 23:34:23
Y'know, when I hear all these people complaining about the side effects of SSRI's, I wonder how they would have managed back in the days when your only choices were tricyclics, MAOI's and barbiturates. Mental illnesses are hard to treat, people. Sometimes there are side effects. Sometimes they are really bad. But these diseases are too devestating for us to wait around until somebody invents the perfect antidepressant.
Posted by Cam W. on June 9, 2001, at 17:07:23
In reply to Re: PAXIL, posted by blackjack on June 9, 2001, at 16:29:13
blackjack - Well put. We could go back another 50 years, during which time insulin shock treatment, paraldehyde, hydrotherapy, and lobotomies, were considered to be more effective and humane than previous therapies (beatings, restraint and isolation) for mental disorders. - Cam
> Y'know, when I hear all these people complaining about the side effects of SSRI's, I wonder how they would have managed back in the days when your only choices were tricyclics, MAOI's and barbiturates. Mental illnesses are hard to treat, people. Sometimes there are side effects. Sometimes they are really bad. But these diseases are too devestating for us to wait around until somebody invents the perfect antidepressant.
Posted by gilbert on June 9, 2001, at 19:15:54
In reply to Re: PAXIL » blackjack, posted by Cam W. on June 9, 2001, at 17:07:23
Come on guys,
Yeah I should be gratefull my meds make me an emotional bubble boy unable to acheive..... orgasm.....you guys can't be serious.....or your single. It's the complaining that will bring in new drugs without side effects. If I decide to accept a less than average standard of life for my cure than I deserve it. The meds may keep us alive or semi-functional but to say we should be gratefull because we are no longer getting drilled in the head or having jumper cables hooked up to us is like listening to stories abaout how far my dad used to walk to school everyday.....without shoes.......and no lunch......in the freezing slush.....but he was gratefull because every now and then he could step in pile of cow shit and it was warm. God bless modern science but let's not stop here.
Gil
Posted by Phil on June 9, 2001, at 20:32:19
In reply to Re:you guys can't be serious, posted by gilbert on June 9, 2001, at 19:15:54
> Come on guys,
>
> Yeah I should be gratefull my meds make me an emotional bubble boy unable to acheive..... orgasm.....you guys can't be serious.....or your single. It's the complaining that will bring in new drugs without side effects. If I decide to accept a less than average standard of life for my cure than I deserve it. The meds may keep us alive or semi-functional but to say we should be gratefull because we are no longer getting drilled in the head or having jumper cables hooked up to us is like listening to stories abaout how far my dad used to walk to school everyday.....without shoes.......and no lunch......in the freezing slush.....but he was gratefull because every now and then he could step in pile of cow shit and it was warm. God bless modern science but let's not stop here.
>
> Gil
> > > > > > >That's some funny shit Gil.
Down on the farm,
Phil
Posted by Cam W. on June 9, 2001, at 22:33:28
In reply to Re:you guys can't be serious, posted by gilbert on June 9, 2001, at 19:15:54
Gil - No one is saying to stop research here. As a matter of fact, every time we find something that works, it does seem to have fewer side effects than those that came before. No one taking TCAs really complained about weight gain or sexual dsyfunction because a dried out body and extreme drowsiness overshadowed those other side effects.
Looking at what today's drugs do help us in our understanding of syndromes like depression. From this we can look for new agents targeting an ever finer set of discreet brain areas and physiological mechanisms.
I, for one, would not have been able to work in my profession. Nor would I have been able to amass the minimal knowledge that I have into various mental illnesses. This would also mean that I would not have been able to help (albeit in a small way) those that I have believed that I have helped over the years. By beating back my depression, first with Wellbutrin, and now with Effexor, I can lead a productive life, instead of still curling up in my bed, wishing the world away.
If it weren't for advances in the treatment of mental illnesses, I would most likely be a junkie or dead. Instead of complaining about the lack of effectiveness of these new chemicals in some individuals, I thank my lucky stars that they were developed. Spine-cracking, muscle relaxant-free ECT looks like a grim option, compared to taking a couple of capsules every morning.
- Cam
BTW - Instead of having sexual dysfunction with Effexor, I now have knee-quaking, rocket exploding orgasms. I feel like I am 18 again, much to the chagrin of my wife, at times. - C.(call me Rocketman).
Posted by SalArmy4me on June 9, 2001, at 22:42:34
In reply to Re:you guys can't be serious, posted by gilbert on June 9, 2001, at 19:15:54
I would rather be free from depression by taking Paxil. hee hee
Posted by gilbert on June 10, 2001, at 1:44:00
In reply to Sex is Overrated! » gilbert, posted by SalArmy4me on June 9, 2001, at 22:42:34
Cam,
I wish I would have had that effect from any one of the ssri's or nsri......your lucky. My point and I will try to make this short...LOL. Mental illness solutions seem to be low priority. You are in the minority on Effexor and sexually charged. We have talked about this before. The ssri's do not seem such a huge advancement in pyschopharmacology when weighing all the criterea. Yes you don't have to avoid foods, yes they are less cardiotoxic than tricyclics but there is a price to pay for most who use them. Why do we as people with mental illness have to suffer through this garbage when other drugs for other illnesses would not tolerate the side effect profiles or risks we put up with. My god a guy can have bypass surgery and be sexually functional 10 days after surgery. We are at the bottom of the list...we need to make noise. Those prehistoric methods you speak of are still being used......ECT, misprescribed antipyschotics, mood satbilizers for just about anyone, It seems all this is coming back with a vengeance.....why if what we have now works so well are we retreating. I have friends who have had to go back to the tricyclics or mao's because their ssri's either pooped out or they were afraid to take the dosages up beyond approved levels. I am glad you are out of bed. I am glad you are a stud muffin...LOL. I just wish the same for the rest of us.
Gil
Posted by Lorraine on June 10, 2001, at 11:17:27
In reply to Re: Cam I wish..............., posted by gilbert on June 10, 2001, at 1:44:00
Gil:
I think you are right about the low priority of mental illness--although I actually think it is stepping up on the priority ladder just because of the sheer number of people with these illnesses now. Is it depression or mental illness generally that is now the number 2 illness in the US and predicted to be (or is?) worldwide? That type of statistic puts some heat under the US to fund studies.
Posted by yo-wazzzup on June 10, 2001, at 11:37:20
In reply to Re: Cam I wish..............., posted by Lorraine on June 10, 2001, at 11:17:27
I think short term, paxil helped my depression. Long term, it has completely destryed my life! Please see my thread dated the 7 th of this month,entitled PAXIL: loss of memory/time/consious action
Posted by blackjack on June 10, 2001, at 22:40:21
In reply to Re:you guys can't be serious, posted by gilbert on June 9, 2001, at 19:15:54
> Yeah I should be gratefull my meds make me an emotional bubble boy unable to acheive..... orgasm..... >Honestly, my depression is bad enough that I would be willing to give up orgasms to make it go away. I've found that sharing this particular fact does more to make people understand what depression is like than anything else.
You are right that complaining does help with the development of new medications. But there is complaining and there is COMPLAINING. Giving feedback to your doctor, trying new meds and seeing how they work, etc., these kinds of complaining push things forward. However, suing the pharmacorps because Paxil doesn't make people 100% better will just convince them that there isn't enough money in psychiatric drugs to make up for the risk of litigation.
And I am bloody greatful for the drugs I have, even if they don't always fix everything, in the same way I'm sure blind people are glad to have guide-dogs even if they can't see the sunset.
My beef is not with those who share the unpleasent sides of psychiatric drug treatment and seek to minimize them. My beef is with those who act like the pharmaceutical industry is doing something WRONG by selling drugs that save many people's lives, just because these drugs are less-than-perfect.
Posted by grapebubblegum on June 11, 2001, at 8:49:25
In reply to Re:you guys can't be serious gilbert , posted by blackjack on June 10, 2001, at 22:40:21
Sorry, Cam, I just couldn't resist. ;o)
This thread is somewhat paralleling what we were talking about in "xanax vs. klonopin" whereby I just posted more than I thought I ever would about my personal life, but you see, I was already working up to this question and didn't know where on the internet to ask it (too embarrassing to ask ANY doctor face to face)- I never thought I would ask it on this board but I have no idea where I could ask without being laughed off.
As I said, if you read my 6/11 (today) post in that thread, my um... function has been well restored and I'm glad of it. The only meds I am taking at all now are the micro-dose of klonopin, .125 mg 3 x per day and my panic attacks are well-controlled.
I'm not being flippant here so please don't laugh: is it possible to have permanant damage or die due to orgasmic activity? Other than say, having a heart attack or something, which is not a concern for me since I think I am in fine cardiac health? This is so embarrassing, but I was trying to hide my face behind fiance's shoulder because I didn't want him to notice what I found disconcerting: a kind of muscle spasm or lack of muscle control most notable in my jaw. Yes, this is highly embarrassing but I'm hoping someone can at least tell me this is not "abnormal" or dangerous or that I am not the only one. I seriously could not control my muscles at that um.. moment in time, the "petit mort" and I was a little concerned about the involuntary facial muscle movements that seemed uncoordinated and purposeless... more like a lack of being able to keep my jaw where I wanted it like most of us do all day long without thinking about it. Gawsh, does anyone know what I mean? Please don't leave me looking like a freak here. The muscle spasm-type thing (for lack of a better description) passed after several long seconds but I was a little worried: is it possible to have a seizure or something and never recover? It would be embarrassing to be hauled to the hospital by paramedics in that state of undress, etc. Ok, I am trying to lighten it up with a little humor there in the last sentence but I was a little taken aback and I guess if I knew it was a totally harmless phenomenon I would just get used to it and not worry.
Cam? Anyone?
Posted by Cam W. on June 11, 2001, at 9:43:14
In reply to Rocketman; Gilbert et al, posted by grapebubblegum on June 11, 2001, at 8:49:25
Grape - While there have been deaths during sex and probably at orgasm, I think that most would be due to a heart attack, or perhaps even a stroke (a certain pope comes to mind, but perhaps that was divine intervention - I'd tend to blame cream sauces, though). I am sure even more people have been taken to hospital in less than flattering circumstances (sometimes panic attacks can mimic a heart attack).
I have also heard of people (both male and female) having very severe headaches at the point of orgasm, but I doubt that most of these are deadly, just very uncomfortable.
As for your facial tic, it may be a sign of totally letting yourself go. It is probably just an involuntary spasm at a time when your body is totally lacking voluntary control. While it is not really a laughing matter, I once heard a comedian say the way to tell if a porn star is faking it or not is if she is still beautiful during orgasm, she is faking it. Orgasm, in both men and women, turns people ugly, but only if well done. I think that this is just fully succumbing to yourself and letting yourself go entirely, which is healthy. It is your body saying, "This is me, hope you still like me."
I would not worry about the tic, unless it is painful, and even then it may just be like the headache. If you are really worried, do tell your doc. Trust me, they have heard worse things.
Hope this is of some help. - Cam
Posted by yo-wazzzup on June 11, 2001, at 19:13:21
In reply to Re: Rocketman; Gilbert et al » grapebubblegum, posted by Cam W. on June 11, 2001, at 9:43:14
> Grape - I've been reading everything I could get my hands on about ssri's...not sure if this info is pertainent, but here goes.TORSADES can lead to loss of consciousness, dizziness, palpitations, even sudden death. aon the registry site www.torsades.org, Woolsley has listed more than 50 presrcition drugs that are currently marketed with torsades or prolonged heart beat warning labels on their labels, INCLUDING SOME SSRI ANTIDEPRESSANTS. I also recall reading something about anti depressants & DYSTONIA as a side effect. Although, I would tend to agree with CAM & his hypothesis,here are some things 4 u to look into.
Posted by grapebubblegum on June 12, 2001, at 8:07:14
In reply to Re: Rocketman; Gilbert et al, posted by yo-wazzzup on June 11, 2001, at 19:13:21
(torn between being to embarrassed to stick my neck out and post, and being morally trained to give thanks where it is due):
Thanks, Rocketm.. er, I mean Cam, for your insight.
:o)Yowhazzup, I don't take any SSRI's now so that info is not pertinent to me but I thank you for the effort anyway.
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