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Posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
I was wondering which meds would help with ruminating thoughts. Can't tolerate the SSRIs anymore. Paxil was a great help with that. Would Neurontin help with negative thoughts/ocd? I am currently on Nortriptyline and Xanax - suffering from PAD, depression, and mild OCD. I am terrified of med side effects and that is all I can think about all day. I am going crazy because the Nortrip has made my heart race and also dried out my mouth to the point that my tongue has cracks all over. All I do is imagine the worst, but I can't stop it. I also have acid reflux problems, which were agravated by the SSRIs. So my doc picked Nortrip (has the least anti-cholinergic side effects of the old ADs). Anti-cholinergic side effects make the reflux worse. I really could use some advise or experience somebody could share. I feel like I can't get out of this anymore and this feeling is boxing me in, which makes may inward ruminating thinking even worse. Thanks for any replies. They will be much appriciated.
Posted by ShelliR on March 16, 2001, at 23:28:52
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
> I was wondering which meds would help with ruminating thoughts. Can't tolerate the SSRIs anymore. Paxil was a great help with that. Would Neurontin help with negative thoughts/ocd? I am currently on Nortriptyline and Xanax - suffering from PAD, depression, and mild OCD. I am terrified of med side effects and that is all I can think about all day. I am going crazy because the Nortrip has made my heart race and also dried out my mouth to the point that my tongue has cracks all over. All I do is imagine the worst, but I can't stop it. I also have acid reflux problems, which were agravated by the SSRIs. So my doc picked Nortrip (has the least anti-cholinergic side effects of the old ADs). Anti-cholinergic side effects make the reflux worse. I really could use some advise or experience somebody could share. I feel like I can't get out of this anymore and this feeling is boxing me in, which makes may inward ruminating thinking even worse. Thanks for any replies. They will be much appriciated.
I don't think my sister has ocd, but she had a lot of ruminating thoughts which prozac has helped for over ten years now. Her ruminations had to do with not being able to let things go in her mind, like anger. Her husband left her for someone else and when she started taking prozac, she was able to stop obsessing about it. Anyway, that's just one person, so I don't really know if it commonly helps. shelli
Posted by Neal on March 17, 2001, at 2:29:24
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
Margit, sorry to hear of your troubles. I believe in some previous posts that Zyprexa had helped someone with ruminating thoughts. Seems like your Xanax should be taking care of some of the problem. Are you taking enough of a doseage? Maybe a switch to Klonopin?
Posted by Neal on March 17, 2001, at 2:34:34
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
And to answer your other question; Neurontin is worth a try. It's very benign, side-effect wise, and has helped some people.
Posted by ChrisK on March 17, 2001, at 5:40:25
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
As far as ruminating thoughts please consider Zyprexa. It has helped me immeasurably and many others here get a great benefit from it in low doses. It will cause some initial sedation which will go away after a couple of weeks and there is the possibility of weight gain but all in all it will clear your mind very effectively.
I also take Nortrip and constantly have a bottle of spring water around or I'm sucking on sugar free mints. It's still a lot better than the depression.
Talk to your doc and do a search here on Zyprexa. It cleared up most of my obsessive suicidal thoughts and has kept them away.
Posted by Eric on March 17, 2001, at 9:30:56
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
> I was wondering which meds would help with ruminating thoughts. Can't tolerate the SSRIs anymore. Paxil was a great help with that. Would Neurontin help with negative thoughts/ocd? I am currently on Nortriptyline and Xanax - suffering from PAD, depression, and mild OCD. I am terrified of med side effects and that is all I can think about all day. I am going crazy because the Nortrip has made my heart race and also dried out my mouth to the point that my tongue has cracks all over. All I do is imagine the worst, but I can't stop it. I also have acid reflux problems, which were agravated by the SSRIs. So my doc picked Nortrip (has the least anti-cholinergic side effects of the old ADs). Anti-cholinergic side effects make the reflux worse. I really could use some advise or experience somebody could share. I feel like I can't get out of this anymore and this feeling is boxing me in, which makes may inward ruminating thinking even worse. Thanks for any replies. They will be much appriciated.
The usual diagnosis for excess rumination is a dx of psychosis, even if it considered a "small psychosis." Severe, untreated clinical depression can oftentimes distort perception in some people. Thus, usually psychiatrists like to prescribe anti-psychotics for excess rumination. Any anti-psychotic will work for this. Zyprexa, Seroquel, Risperdal, whatever.However, I have found that just plain old antidepressants will usually help rumination. Especially in high dosages. Especially if the rumination is stemming from severe depression or OCD, anxiety, etc. Many times just antidepressants by themselves will go a long long way towards combatting rumination. If it was me and I had ruminating thoughts(which I do) I would start off with an antidepressant. If that didnt get rid of the rumination, Id throw in some low dose anti-psychotics. Probably Seroquel as I personally believe Seroquel has the best overall side effect profile for neuroleptics. 50 mg to 150 mg of Seroquel(low dose) will go a long long ways for most depressives towards combatting excess rumination if antidepressants dont take care of it.
Why cant you tolerate SSRIs anymore? Cause of the GERD? If you cant even tolerate an SSRI or Effexor, you are probably going to have a hard time combatting your problems. Side effects may have to be put up with if your objective is to get out of the hole. What about taking Prilosec or Prevacid everyday to fight off the GERD problem so you can then tolerate SSRIs again? And a daily aerobic exercise program will also help you combat the GERD, as well as help your anxiety and depression a little. Id recommend going back on an SSRI, taking Prilosec/Prevacid everyday for GERD and begin walking a couple miles a day. The walking will greatly help the GERD, trust me as I have the same problem.
Nortrip is a poor choice for rumination and OCD, as Nortrip(Pamelor) is not a serotonergic antidepressant. To effectively combat OCD you really need to be on a strongly serotonergic antidepressant such as an SSRI, Effexor, Remeron, etc. Of the Tricyclics antidepressants(Nortrip is a tricyclic) the only one that is serotonergic enough to really combat OCD is Anafranil.
Overall I would say switch over to a serotonergic antidepressant. Start exercising everyday to fight the GERD, even if it is only something real easy and basic like walking 2 or 3 miles a day! Get some Prevacid or Prilosec to take along with the SSRI.
Figure out a way to fight off the GERD so you can return to an SSRI, as this sounds like it was helping the rumination.
Posted by roo on March 17, 2001, at 11:30:36
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Eric on March 17, 2001, at 9:30:56
I agree mostly with the previous poster. I have
problems with ruminating thoughts as well, negative
ones. Prozac orginally helped with this. I still
take it. But I've recently went through a period
where my anxiety/ruminating thoughts intensified
to the point where the prozac didn't seem to be
touching it. My p-doc recommended neurotin, which
I have to say, has really helped me a lot. It has
relaxed me and I am not as anxious or prone to the
ruminating thoughts. I still take the prozac too,
although i've been tinkering with the idea of tapering
down to a _very_ low dose (10 mg's), so I don't get
the side effects (mainly the sexual ones) that drive
me nuts.
Posted by Chaston on March 17, 2001, at 12:56:18
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
Although taking Zoloft has begun to help me a lot with many aspect of my depression, I am still finding that I have problems with excessive worrying about certain things--not necessarily situational (I am also taking Depakote, and reducing Neurontin, so the latter could be partly responsible).
What are "ruminating thoughts," exactly?
I'm not compulsive, but in some ways, I may be obsessive, ao I am interested in knowing. In reading posts about using Zyprexa and similar meds, it sounds like some people have linkage between ruminating thoughts and depression as well as anxiety.
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in finding the right combination, Margit.> I was wondering which meds would help with ruminating thoughts. Can't tolerate the SSRIs anymore. Paxil was a great help with that. Would Neurontin help with negative thoughts/ocd? I am currently on Nortriptyline and Xanax - suffering from PAD, depression, and mild OCD. I am terrified of med side effects and that is all I can think about all day. I am going crazy because the Nortrip has made my heart race and also dried out my mouth to the point that my tongue has cracks all over. All I do is imagine the worst, but I can't stop it. I also have acid reflux problems, which were agravated by the SSRIs. So my doc picked Nortrip (has the least anti-cholinergic side effects of the old ADs). Anti-cholinergic side effects make the reflux worse. I really could use some advise or experience somebody could share. I feel like I can't get out of this anymore and this feeling is boxing me in, which makes may inward ruminating thinking even worse. Thanks for any replies. They will be much appriciated.
Posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:25:57
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Chaston on March 17, 2001, at 12:56:18
I really want to thank you all for your responses. You all had some great suggestions and I have given them all a lot of thought. The SSRIs are defenetily out for me. I was on Zoloft once and vomited for 7 days, same with Zoloft. When I took Paxil I got the acide reflux. I did take 2 Prevacid (acid blockers) a day and some times it was so bad that the acid what crawl into my voice box and all I could do was cough. After 9 month I quit the Paxil and 2 weeks later my reflux was gone. Although, I have to say that the reflux is caused by my nerves and was aggrevated by the SSRI. Nortriptyline was chosen because it had the least anti-cholinergic side effects (they can cause more reflux). I haven't had bad side effects with it either; however, now that we are getting into the upper range I got the racing pulse and a terribly dry mouth and I know, judjing from my depression I have a few more mgs to go yet. So, maybe that's why, as Eric put it, I am still battling these thoughts.
I have read up some on Zyprexa and Seroquel and frankly, these meds scare me a little. I am a medophobic as it is. It takes me for ever before I muster up the nerv to swallow a pill (and then I dread all the side effects that I surely will get). That's why I suprised myself, to answer Neals question, that I am on as high a dose of Xanax as I am (6mg/day). Every time I think about it, it scares me to death. I am also on 800mg of Neurontin, but scared again to up it. My pdoc tried several times to up the dose. Do you think that Neurontin possesses OCD qualities? If I knew for sure it would help me with these thoughts, I would probably muster up all my guts and increase it. In any respect, I would like to thank all of you again, I will take your suggestions along to my next appointment with my pdoc. Thanks again.
Margit
Posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:29:42
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? - To all, posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:25:57
Chris,
you said that you take Nortriptyline also. May I ask how high your dose is and also how many mg of Zyprexa you are taking? Did you ever have racing heart problems with the Nortrip?
Posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:32:45
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? - To Chris, posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:29:42
I am curious to know how much of the Neurontin you are taking?
Posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:37:30
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? - To roo, posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:32:45
I consider ruminating thoughts, thoughts that you are think about most of the time and you can't shake them. In a way you obsess over these thoughts. I don't know if anybody has a better defenition.
Posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 18:01:01
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? - Chaston, posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:37:30
Eric,
your post was very insightful. I have learned quite a bit. You mentioned you suffer from GERD, too, what AD are you taking? And does it interfere with your GERD? Does the Prevacid stop your reflux? Even with the PPIs, I still get some sour taste and sometimes a burning throat, but it has gotten better and is nothing compared to what it was on the SSRIs. I appreciate all your tips and will incorporate them into my regimen.
Nortrip seems to be for me the only choice - I have tried Remeron and Effexor (Remeron didn't work; Effexor same problem as SSRIs). I would love to go back to the SSRIs, but my husband keeps reminding me how bad the acid was (I seem to forget at times). Would you have any other suggestions?
Thanks
Margit
Posted by ChrisK on March 18, 2001, at 6:53:06
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? - To Chris, posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:29:42
Margit,
I take 100 mg/day Norttrip and 7.5mg/day of Zyprexa. I also take 4 mg/day of Mirapex. Most people that will respond to the Z will see a difference at 2.5 mg/day. I'm kind of the opposite of you in that I am very med resistant. I can take large doses of meds without seeing any side effects nor any benefits. The only side effect I have from Nortrip is the dry mouth problem. I can't go anywhere without a bottle of water or a pocketful of sugarless mints.
Hope you feel better soon,
Chris> Chris,
> you said that you take Nortriptyline also. May I ask how high your dose is and also how many mg of Zyprexa you are taking? Did you ever have racing heart problems with the Nortrip?
Posted by suzanne jones on March 19, 2001, at 4:43:42
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Chaston on March 17, 2001, at 12:56:18
> Although taking Zoloft has begun to help me a lot with many aspect of my depression, I am still finding that I have problems with excessive worrying about certain things--not necessarily situational (I am also taking Depakote, and reducing Neurontin, so the latter could be partly responsible).
> What are "ruminating thoughts," exactly?
> I'm not compulsive, but in some ways, I may be obsessive, ao I am interested in knowing. In reading posts about using Zyprexa and similar meds, it sounds like some people have linkage between ruminating thoughts and depression as well as anxiety.
> Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in finding the right combination, Margit.
>
> > I was wondering which meds would help with ruminating thoughts. Can't tolerate the SSRIs anymore. Paxil was a great help with that. Would Neurontin help with negative thoughts/ocd? I am currently on Nortriptyline and Xanax - suffering from PAD, depression, and mild OCD. I am terrified of med side effects and that is all I can think about all day. I am going crazy because the Nortrip has made my heart race and also dried out my mouth to the point that my tongue has cracks all over. All I do is imagine the worst, but I can't stop it. I also have acid reflux problems, which were agravated by the SSRIs. So my doc picked Nortrip (has the least anti-cholinergic side effects of the old ADs). Anti-cholinergic side effects make the reflux worse. I really could use some advise or experience somebody could share. I feel like I can't get out of this anymore and this feeling is boxing me in, which makes may inward ruminating thinking even worse. Thanks for any replies. They will be much appriciated.Dear Margit~I have been recovering from severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder for 3 years now, a major symptom being ruminating thoughts. So horrible to be caught in a thought loop without breaks or an exit. Neurontin is my God-send. I am on large doses but I have no side effects. I don't feel 'doped' up, which is important to me as the mother of alot of small kids yet I can let stuff slide, and have even developed a decent sense of humor. Dark, sick a little, but hey, it makes me laugh and gets me through another day in the trenches. I am on the following:Neurontin-1200mg.3xs/day for a total of 3600mg;Paxil 60mg.for(depression and panic attacks) Clonidine 0.1mg. 3 tabs at bedtime for sleep and decreased nightmares as well as keeping me asleep which is a prob. May take Trazadone 150mg. prn to decrease nightmares and increase sleep time. I'm not crazy about them, only because they cause swelling in my nasal passages and so have to sleep with my mouth open all night. Now all these drugs are 'drying' which is ok..better than suicide..but sleeping with my mouth open and the resulting 'pharygeal cement syndrome'..I'd rather wake up with my swallowing and breathing skills intact. Clonidine by the way, an antihypertensive which slows down the autonomic nervous system wonderfully calms the whole system, slower breathing, calmer reaction to the thoughts, like suddenly I just don't get sucked into them. But the Neurontin for sure has stopped the same thoughts and emotions from firing and refiring in my weary brain. Hope this helps~suzanne
Posted by roo on March 19, 2001, at 8:08:35
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? - To roo, posted by Margit on March 17, 2001, at 17:32:45
I was slowly increased to 1800 mgs (600mg 3 times
a day), it took a higher dose, for me, to really
tackle the anxiety, although I noticed a difference
even starting at a lower dose. I was reluctant
to go higher, but it really did seem to take a
higher dose to help me to the level i needed help.
(I was surprised at this too, b/c I am normally
pretty sensitive to meds, and I don't know if this
makes any difference or not, but I'm a very small
person, 4'11'', 115 pounds).
Posted by Chaston on March 19, 2001, at 10:10:01
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by suzanne jones on March 19, 2001, at 4:43:42
> > Although taking Zoloft has begun to help me a lot with many aspect of my depression, I am still finding that I have problems with excessive worrying about certain things--not necessarily situational (I am also taking Depakote, and reducing Neurontin, so the latter could be partly responsible).
> > What are "ruminating thoughts," exactly?
> > I'm not compulsive, but in some ways, I may be obsessive, ao I am interested in knowing. In reading posts about using Zyprexa and similar meds, it sounds like some people have linkage between ruminating thoughts and depression as well as anxiety.
> > Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in finding the right combination, Margit.
> >
> > > I was wondering which meds would help with ruminating thoughts. Can't tolerate the SSRIs anymore. Paxil was a great help with that. Would Neurontin help with negative thoughts/ocd? I am currently on Nortriptyline and Xanax - suffering from PAD, depression, and mild OCD. I am terrified of med side effects and that is all I can think about all day. I am going crazy because the Nortrip has made my heart race and also dried out my mouth to the point that my tongue has cracks all over. All I do is imagine the worst, but I can't stop it. I also have acid reflux problems, which were agravated by the SSRIs. So my doc picked Nortrip (has the least anti-cholinergic side effects of the old ADs). Anti-cholinergic side effects make the reflux worse. I really could use some advise or experience somebody could share. I feel like I can't get out of this anymore and this feeling is boxing me in, which makes may inward ruminating thinking even worse. Thanks for any replies. They will be much appriciated.
>
> Dear Margit~I have been recovering from severe Post Traumatic Stress Disorder for 3 years now, a major symptom being ruminating thoughts. So horrible to be caught in a thought loop without breaks or an exit. Neurontin is my God-send. I am on large doses but I have no side effects. I don't feel 'doped' up, which is important to me as the mother of alot of small kids yet I can let stuff slide, and have even developed a decent sense of humor. Dark, sick a little, but hey, it makes me laugh and gets me through another day in the trenches. I am on the following:Neurontin-1200mg.3xs/day for a total of 3600mg;Paxil 60mg.for(depression and panic attacks) Clonidine 0.1mg. 3 tabs at bedtime for sleep and decreased nightmares as well as keeping me asleep which is a prob. May take Trazadone 150mg. prn to decrease nightmares and increase sleep time. I'm not crazy about them, only because they cause swelling in my nasal passages and so have to sleep with my mouth open all night. Now all these drugs are 'drying' which is ok..better than suicide..but sleeping with my mouth open and the resulting 'pharygeal cement syndrome'..I'd rather wake up with my swallowing and breathing skills intact. Clonidine by the way, an antihypertensive which slows down the autonomic nervous system wonderfully calms the whole system, slower breathing, calmer reaction to the thoughts, like suddenly I just don't get sucked into them. But the Neurontin for sure has stopped the same thoughts and emotions from firing and refiring in my weary brain. Hope this helps~suzanneFrom my experience, I agree that Neurontin has a lot of potential pluses, and very few minuses, (except its cost), especially when used as an add-on to an AD. It doesn't seem to have difficult to handle or "sneaky" side-effects--its action is short-term, but doesn't seem to have the rebound anxiety effect you might get with benzos when they wear off. Best of luck.
Posted by Margit on March 19, 2001, at 14:05:32
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by suzanne jones on March 19, 2001, at 4:43:42
Suzanne,
thanks for your reply. I was wondering if this high dose of Neurontin makes you very tired, because I hate being sedated or a zombie. The other thought I am afraid of is that it will make my mouth even dryer. Thanks for your info
Posted by Crystal on March 19, 2001, at 14:12:55
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 19, 2001, at 14:05:32
How long do these med's take to start being effective. Do they take as long as AD's?
Has everyone gained weight on Zyprexa?Suzanne,
>
> thanks for your reply. I was wondering if this high dose of Neurontin makes you very tired, because I hate being sedated or a zombie. The other thought I am afraid of is that it will make my mouth even dryer. Thanks for your info
Posted by Margit on March 19, 2001, at 16:54:56
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by suzanne jones on March 19, 2001, at 4:43:42
Dear Suzanne,
thanks for your reply. I was wondering if this high dose of Neurontin makes you very tired, because I hate to be sedated or being in a zombie-like frame of mind all day. The other thing I am afraid of is that it will make my mouth even dryer. You said you battle with dry mouth. Did the Neurontin contribute a lot to this? Thanks again for your information.
Margit
Posted by suzanne jones on March 20, 2001, at 1:51:50
In reply to to Suzanne, posted by Margit on March 19, 2001, at 16:54:56
> Dear Suzanne,
>
> thanks for your reply. I was wondering if this high dose of Neurontin makes you very tired, because I hate to be sedated or being in a zombie-like frame of mind all day. The other thing I am afraid of is that it will make my mouth even dryer. You said you battle with dry mouth. Did the Neurontin contribute a lot to this? Thanks again for your information.
> MargitDear Margit~Personally I feel pretty lucky because I feel only extremely calm without the sedation or 'drugged' feeling I loathe. In fact, feeling that horrid 'zombie' feeling only serves to agitate me more in that I feel mentally crazed but trapped in a doped up brain, if that makes any sense. The part of me that I needed to function would feel lobotomized where the part of the brain that needed to 'downsize' reacted like 42ndSt. in NYC on New Years Eve, lots of drunk people with no where to go. That happened to me on Serzone...like cement in my shoes. Later for that. For me, the Neurontin seems more like a dart going right to the bullseye of the thought disorder. Like water on a fire. And if I keep staying on not pushing the next dose past the 6 hour mark during waking hours, I find I can really go with the day's normal insanity without it triggering a whole unwanted and dreaded chain of mental events. I mean I'm still human, but not at the mercy of a tinder dry forestal brain where any spark could very well end up a 5 alarm fire. I get to feel what the expression,'water off a duck's back'feels like, 80% of the time. The other 20% of the time I'm just quackers. Sorry,sorry, I know that is an awful bad and corny joke. But dear pilgrim, it is a delight today that I can laugh at all, and whatever it takes, corn and all, I will savor it and let it tickle my soul and spirit.
Also I will have to say that my dry mouth started when I began on Paxil 3 years ago. But when I say dry mouth, I mean, not like the antipsychotics. Nothing incredibly obnoxious. I am also a person with a cold drink in my hand since my mother weaned me and I love munchin on ice chips. A good way for me to chomp out anger, anxiety,..sarcasm in a constructive way and get some healthy water in me since I never drink it as a beverage. What dries me in an annoying way is the clonidine but, you know, 6 of these-half a dozen of the other. I deal with it because my nightmares and flashbacks/abreactions were a heck of alot more hostile to life as we know it on this planet. For me personally, and everyone has their pet peeve side effect which pushes them over the top, dealing with mild to moderate dry mouth compared to my symptoms is like the difference between walking through drizzle as opposed to walking in a hurricane. Now for whatever reason, because I rarely hear complaints about trazadone with dry mouth, for me, it vaporizes any spit or saline like fluids within a 10 mile radius of my throat. What can I say? Aren't drugs strange? Shows us how wonderfully,fearfully and uniquely we indeed are crafted. But truly, Margit I do not become sedated, although I do feel fried at the end of the day after getting the !!7th!! child in bed, yes..that's right 7th. The youngest is 4 and the oldest 15. So there is no way I can be sedated from 7AM to7PM. There is hope. Always hope. Always, even with the fear of failure, try for the next chance. I pray this will work for you as well.~~~corny suzanne
Posted by KarenB on March 20, 2001, at 12:49:21
In reply to Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by Margit on March 16, 2001, at 19:05:47
Margit,
Up until a couple of weeks ago, Zyprexa was your best bet. Only problem is, you WILL gain weight on it, which I find depressing in and of itself.
Geodon (ziprasidone) has just been released by Pfizer and I have been on it a couple of weeks. I suffer from ruminating thoughts and it sure does the job for me. And...no weight gain. Hee hee.
Karen
Posted by katrina on March 21, 2001, at 17:41:18
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts? » Margit, posted by KarenB on March 20, 2001, at 12:49:21
Karen, How is the sleep on geodon?? zyprexa helps my sleep a lot...but it does have weight gain..
Posted by KarenB on March 22, 2001, at 11:04:25
In reply to Re: Which meds for ruminating thoughts?, posted by katrina on March 21, 2001, at 17:41:18
Katrina,
Sleep is no problem for me anymore and my "delay phase cycle" is even back in line. For the longest time, I was totally awake until well after midnight and had to force myself to sleep, then was practically comatose in the morning until after 10am. Now, I go to sleep at maybe 10:30, like normal folk, and wake up prior to 7:00. This is very different for me and due much to the lessening in severity of my Bipolar cycles, with my current meds.
On the whole, I would say that Geodon is more GOOD for sleep than bad.
Geodon is different than Zyprexa but just as effective for me in the area of eliminating ruminating thought patterns. No weight gain, too, is a HUGE plus as far as I am concerned. There is almost nothing as depressing as gaining 20 lbs. Ah, vanity, vanity...
Karen
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