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Posted by stjames on October 13, 2000, at 2:59:45
Can't find your post on last board. PDR, ect say it is a no no.
Hypertensive crisis, ect is possible outcome of this mixture. I think
some on the list have tried this. What other coctail's have you
tried ? Thyroid ? Sitms ? These would be my choices before trying a mix
of MAOI's and SSRI's. I have not taken MAOI's so am not
well read on them; hope someone will post who has taken this
combo.james
Posted by JohnL on October 13, 2000, at 4:43:13
In reply to Someone asked about MAOI's and SSRI's, posted by stjames on October 13, 2000, at 2:59:45
> Can't find your post on last board. PDR, ect say it is a no no.
> Hypertensive crisis, ect is possible outcome of this mixture. I think
> some on the list have tried this. What other coctail's have you
> tried ? Thyroid ? Sitms ? These would be my choices before trying a mix
> of MAOI's and SSRI's. I have not taken MAOI's so am not
> well read on them; hope someone will post who has taken this
> combo.
>
> jamesI think James is right on the money. That is, an SSRI+MAOI combination should not be tried unless all other things like stimulants, TCAs, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, thyroid, etc have been tried. As a matter of fact, I know one doctor who is so successful at finding the right medication for patients that MAOIs are very rarely resorted to in his practice, not to mention MAOI+SSRI which are never needed. Granted back in the old days MAOIs were combined with TCAs, but with SSRIs it's a totally different game. And not a very safe one at all.
John
Posted by David Newhouse on October 13, 2000, at 8:54:03
In reply to Re: Someone asked about MAOI's and SSRI's, posted by JohnL on October 13, 2000, at 4:43:13
I Appreciate the response from both James and John L. John, is this great doctor anywhere in the tri-state area? I've been looking for the right combo for years. Seems that most of the med. that I try are usually my own ideas. Is it best to try a pharmacologist?
> > Can't find your post on last board. PDR, ect say it is a no no.
> > Hypertensive crisis, ect is possible outcome of this mixture. I think
> > some on the list have tried this. What other coctail's have you
> > tried ? Thyroid ? Sitms ? These would be my choices before trying a mix
> > of MAOI's and SSRI's. I have not taken MAOI's so am not
> > well read on them; hope someone will post who has taken this
> > combo.
> >
> > james
>
> I think James is right on the money. That is, an SSRI+MAOI combination should not be tried unless all other things like stimulants, TCAs, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, thyroid, etc have been tried. As a matter of fact, I know one doctor who is so successful at finding the right medication for patients that MAOIs are very rarely resorted to in his practice, not to mention MAOI+SSRI which are never needed. Granted back in the old days MAOIs were combined with TCAs, but with SSRIs it's a totally different game. And not a very safe one at all.
> John
Posted by JohnL on October 14, 2000, at 6:00:41
In reply to Re: Someone asked about MAOI's and SSRI's, posted by David Newhouse on October 13, 2000, at 8:54:03
David,
No, unfortunately the doc is way out in California. However, especially since you come up with your own ideas in treatment, here are some things that could really turbocharge the whole process.
First, go to www.drjensen.com and browse around. If you're anything like me, the first thing you'll think is that this doctor is a quack, out to make a quick buck. But then you look at his credentials, and he's obviously no quack. And then you look at where his methods are being used...major psychiatric institutions like Mellingers. And then you look at the heavy-hitter names who are endorsing his views.
You'll read about 5-day cures. I have come to not feel too strongly about that. BUT, I do believe in it with some people, because I've witnessed it many times right here at this board, but am more inclined to believe stronly in two week cures, not the usually touted 4 to 12 week stuff. Those long periods only indicate the wrong medication is being used. Good medications, but the wrong one's for someone's unique chemistry.
But the stuff I think you'll find most interesting for you personally is the detailed analysis of which chemistries cause which symptoms. And if something didn't work, WHY didn't it work. There are reasons. What might work instead? There are ways to figure that out. At the website this stuff is only brushed over in general terms. No solid details.
To get the details, I would strongly urge you to buy his book. It's only about $30, it's a soft cover manual actually, half is for the layperson, half is for the knowledgable, and it is all easy reading packed full of details, statistics, explanations, and all kinds of tidbits. I read the book in one evening. But it wasn't until reading it again several times that I started to pick up on all these little tidbits here and there tha seemed to apply to me personally.
For an oustanding roadmap to guide your own treatment, this book is a must-have in my opinion. I own just about every psychiatric book you can find at a bookstore. If I had to throw them all out and keep just one, this is the one I would keep. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in having control, direction, and understanding of their own treatment. It answers all the whys, hows, what-ifs, etc. The best part is that is goes beyond just theory, it is all supported by hundreds of documented cases and endorsed by major heavy-hitters in the psychiatric world.
You know how sometimes in life a lightbulb goes off in our head? When we say, "Oh my gosh, of course, why didn't I think of that!" Or, "No wonder!". "That explains it!" "But of course, I know exactly what that feels like!" "Holy cow!" "Ah, too cool!" Well, these are the kinds of things you will likely experience reading the book. It provides a very good map to follow. I don't mean to sound like a salesperson...it's just an awesome book and I can't say enough good about it!
The problem is finding a doctor to go along with what you want to try. Thankfully there are mailorder pharmacies than can provide just about anything you might want except controlled substances. Available choices--no prescription, about 2 week delivery--include such things as Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Celexa, Remeron, Serzone, Anafranil, Desipramine, Nortriptyline, Tegretol, Depakote, Lithium, Zyprexa, Risperdal, Haldol, thyroid, Amisulpride, Adrafinil, Modafinil...and more. After you read the book and know where you want to go, let me know. I can steer you to the best pharmacies.
John
Posted by David Newhouse on October 16, 2000, at 9:18:25
In reply to Re: Someone asked ......David, posted by JohnL on October 14, 2000, at 6:00:41
John,
I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking time out of day to write me such indept suggestions. I'm going to go buy his book as soon as possible. I'm fairly new to this board, but it seems like you've been here for quite some time. If you don't mind me asking, what had you been suffering from? Have you found some augmentation that has helped you. I write you after I read the book.
Once again,
thanks for you help.
> David,>
> No, unfortunately the doc is way out in California. However, especially since you come up with your own ideas in treatment, here are some things that could really turbocharge the whole process.
>
> First, go to www.drjensen.com and browse around. If you're anything like me, the first thing you'll think is that this doctor is a quack, out to make a quick buck. But then you look at his credentials, and he's obviously no quack. And then you look at where his methods are being used...major psychiatric institutions like Mellingers. And then you look at the heavy-hitter names who are endorsing his views.
>
> You'll read about 5-day cures. I have come to not feel too strongly about that. BUT, I do believe in it with some people, because I've witnessed it many times right here at this board, but am more inclined to believe stronly in two week cures, not the usually touted 4 to 12 week stuff. Those long periods only indicate the wrong medication is being used. Good medications, but the wrong one's for someone's unique chemistry.
>
> But the stuff I think you'll find most interesting for you personally is the detailed analysis of which chemistries cause which symptoms. And if something didn't work, WHY didn't it work. There are reasons. What might work instead? There are ways to figure that out. At the website this stuff is only brushed over in general terms. No solid details.
>
> To get the details, I would strongly urge you to buy his book. It's only about $30, it's a soft cover manual actually, half is for the layperson, half is for the knowledgable, and it is all easy reading packed full of details, statistics, explanations, and all kinds of tidbits. I read the book in one evening. But it wasn't until reading it again several times that I started to pick up on all these little tidbits here and there tha seemed to apply to me personally.
>
> For an oustanding roadmap to guide your own treatment, this book is a must-have in my opinion. I own just about every psychiatric book you can find at a bookstore. If I had to throw them all out and keep just one, this is the one I would keep. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in having control, direction, and understanding of their own treatment. It answers all the whys, hows, what-ifs, etc. The best part is that is goes beyond just theory, it is all supported by hundreds of documented cases and endorsed by major heavy-hitters in the psychiatric world.
>
> You know how sometimes in life a lightbulb goes off in our head? When we say, "Oh my gosh, of course, why didn't I think of that!" Or, "No wonder!". "That explains it!" "But of course, I know exactly what that feels like!" "Holy cow!" "Ah, too cool!" Well, these are the kinds of things you will likely experience reading the book. It provides a very good map to follow. I don't mean to sound like a salesperson...it's just an awesome book and I can't say enough good about it!
>
> The problem is finding a doctor to go along with what you want to try. Thankfully there are mailorder pharmacies than can provide just about anything you might want except controlled substances. Available choices--no prescription, about 2 week delivery--include such things as Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Celexa, Remeron, Serzone, Anafranil, Desipramine, Nortriptyline, Tegretol, Depakote, Lithium, Zyprexa, Risperdal, Haldol, thyroid, Amisulpride, Adrafinil, Modafinil...and more. After you read the book and know where you want to go, let me know. I can steer you to the best pharmacies.
> John
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