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Posted by PeterC on June 13, 2000, at 0:09:56
In reply to Frankly, Bbob....., posted by shar on June 12, 2000, at 23:26:16
> I am afraid to respond to you.
> SRespond to CarolAnn, then.
I did not respond to offer her personal advice. I don't think her subjective experience with conditions classified as depression disqualifies me from commenting, from either a subjective or objective perspective about conditions classified as depression. Frankly we don't "all" relate to her reply ... unless I am somehow not human.
But her question was not couched in personal terms. It was tagged "just curious." It did not even ask about dopamine in reference to a specific diagnosed condition. My response was honest, well-intended and based in a widely shared understanding. Please lets not start a wildfire. That was not my intention.
Perhaps it is cultural differences that allow someone to presume that when they ask a general question, it conveys a personal subjective implication, but we can't all anticipate what others subjective experience will be, nor what implications they convey behind generalized questions. Maybe some catch the implication, but not all.
But, even if personal experience with the conditions usually labeled as depression affords someone a paramount right to comment on those conditions, consider that I might share the condition, but approach it differently. If my approach is untennable for someone else, that does not mean that it is untennable for me or for others.
boBB, BBob, boB, and others
Posted by KarenB on June 13, 2000, at 4:19:10
In reply to Fire prevention, posted by PeterC on June 13, 2000, at 0:09:56
Dear Carol Ann,
To answer your question (that IS how this thread started out isn't it?), with my limited knowledge, I would suggest you do some internet research on L-Tyrosine, Phenylalanine and GABA.
There are books in health food stores giving suggested dosage, etc. Remember, if you are going to try these things that you must give a fair trial as you would any other med - people have a tendency to take herbal remedies more sporadically, probably because they don't take them as seriously, and as a result never do find out if they actually WORK.
Moving on to topic #2...I am the one(mentioned by "claire 7"), who suggested that someone in the throes of detoxing from Heroin may want to start talking to God. Heroin was not my drug of choice but what I suggested to this individual certainly worked for me when I needed it...and has continued to work for the past 18 years. Not many can say that about their AD, I would venture to say. I was not, and am not, trying to force an issue - just sharing personal experience that changed my life. Anyone interested may e-mail me and I'd love to talk BUT...I will not defend my stand any further in this arena. To me, it's like arguing whether the sky is blue. If it makes someone (or a group of single bodied personas) "gag," then so be it.
I must tell you, BoBB-claire-PeterC-etc., I am not sure whether you were defending the right to an individual's opinion OR restraining your own inalienable right to gag yourself. Hard to tell. You (collectively) use a brand of sarcasm of which I am unfamilar and often find wordy and hard to follow. My shortcoming, most likely, so don't take this as an attack. I do think this is an interesting forum, however, in which to so strongly force your opinions, that you may hurt others who are here to find some refuge and seek "education and support," as it states at the top of the page. I have pondered what your real motives may be but have come up with...well, not much. Maybe (all of) you can enlighten me.
I must agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion regarding these depression - brain - chemical THEORIES...HYPOTHESIS...WHATEVER. Nobody really knows. I feel like 50 years from now, modern Psychopharmacology may be seen in the same light as "magic elixers" sold by traveling salesmen at the turn of the century. I would hope not but does anyone really KNOW anything when it comes to this stuff?
The truth is, we are mostly just trying to get "well," aren't we? I don't know about you. And not all of us buy into the materialistic be-happy mandate of our western culture. Some of us aren't just looking for "happy" - "sane" would be sufficient. Don't go lumping us all together, BoBBs. You don't know where we've been any more than we know about you.
It's very, very late. Hope this was coherent. Hope I don't get too badly burned by it, as well. It's dangerous around here lately and I do find that sad.
Wishing you all the best - sincerely.
Karen
Posted by SLS on June 13, 2000, at 7:21:15
In reply to Re: I'm sure you can all relate to this reply..., posted by CarolAnn on June 12, 2000, at 19:05:52
> >
> >> I suspect what CarolAnn really was asking was; is there a natural substance, that when taken over time, awakens the ability of the brain to experience pleasure and enhances the drive for reward?>>
>
> BINGO! Johnturner77!
> The whole question begins with the cliche, which many depressives are told,"when you are depressed, do something that makes you feel good". As most of us know, when we are depressed, there just ain't anything that we can physically do that feels good. First of all the fatigue and or anhedonia make it impossible to do anything at all, even if our common sense knows that it would improve our mood. Second, when a person is depressed, nothing that anyone suggests is going to seem worth the trouble!
> I get so angry when people say things to me like,"Take a long leisurely bubble bath, go for a walk in the woods, buy yourself a beautiful bouquet of flowers, do something that gives you pleasure, ect., ect.," HELLLOOOO!! I'm depressed, nothing gives me pleasure, in fact, I don't even think that I have the capability to feel pleasure. And I certainly don't have the energy to try and figure out what would give me pleasure, much less, actually go out and do it!
> Sorry to rant, but I know that most of you know exactly what I am talking about. CarolAnn
Perhaps the best we can hope for is distraction.
- Scott
Posted by CarolAnn on June 13, 2000, at 8:54:06
In reply to all relate? (SORRY, from Bbob the non-human), posted by Bbob on June 12, 2000, at 20:50:12
BBob, I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote the reply to Johnturner77. I shouldn't have written "you all can relate", and within the post I did change 'all' to 'most'. The purpose of the post was to commiserate with those of us who have had to put up with such simplistic suggestions of how to stop being depressed!
I will say that I am coming to a better understanding of your stance on labeling, and I do admire your ability to keep living a productive life despite whatever problems you may have. However; just as you don't want to be labeled with a mental health diagnoses, we who are labeled don't want to be told by non-depressives that we could stop being depressed if we just find enjoyable things to do. In my case, I have plenty of "enjoyable" activities in my life(playing with my daughter for one), and yet, my illness will not let me *feel* the *joy* such activities should create.
As far as trying to get beyond our illnesses and try to live productive, socially active lives, you have no idea how much I would love to do just that. Unfortunately, my depression manifests itself in such extreme fatigue, that there are times when I actually feel completely paralyzed with inability to accomplish anything.
You are right in that labeling depression doesn't matter, but please accept that most of us write to this board, because we are not strong enough to live our lives 'around' the depression. This is why so many of us are desperate to find medical help in the form of therapy and/or medication.
In closing, let me say that I have tried very hard to write this post as inoffensively as possible, because it's only purpose is to share my experience and that of the people whose experience is similar to mine. Please, please, do not read any slurs between the lines. None were intended and if they are there, it is only due to my poor ability to express myself. I have always suffered 'foot in mouth' disease, and probably always will! Sincerely, CarolAnn
Posted by claire 7 on June 13, 2000, at 9:51:18
In reply to Re: Carol Ann, Dopamine and others..., posted by KarenB on June 13, 2000, at 4:19:10
Actually, I didn't mean to suggest the idea of someone talking to god makes ME gag. My question, I think, had more to do with why are some "extra-medical" suggestions more acceptable than others here? Truth is, I'm at a stage where drugs no longer seem the answer for me, and it IS educational and supportive for me to read posts from people who are trying a different route. Though I haven't read every post in the archives, I do seem to keep stumbling onto threads where people who are trying a different route get blasted in what seems to me to be an insensitive and uncivil way. Rockets' sarcastic reply to a post that was meaningful and interesting to me felt like a kick in the teeth. And I'm sorry that I misinterpreted CarolAnn's post as being a response to boBB's---
I'm coming to the conclusion that chat rooms of any kind are probably not a good way for me to interact.(I first touched a computer about 2 1/2 months ago, so I'm not an experienced hand at this.) But it seems sad that minorities here, in
virtual life, are treated much the same as they are in real life. Lord knows why that should surprise me. Just a cock-eyed optimist, I guess.
Posted by KarenB on June 13, 2000, at 13:49:28
In reply to Re: Carol Ann, Dopamine and others..., posted by claire 7 on June 13, 2000, at 9:51:18
Dear claire,
Thank you for your post and for the clarification. I had a feeling that you were not as offended by my suggestion as you were trying to make a point for tolerance of non-medicinal approaches.
In my opinion, we ARE a minority here already. Not only are most of us labeled "mentally ill," we are in the "treatment resistant" subcategory thereof.
I am not against alternative treatment - I'll try it all, if there's a chance it will work. I've literally suffered all my life and want, desperately, to get well. However, I think it wise to do it systematically and with knowledge behind my med trials. That is why I come here and I'm still glad that I do. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a doc who is as knowledgable as he/she should be and caring enough to truly help me. So, I pay the outrageous fees and I do much of the research. They hold the pen and the pad. Otherwise, I would most likely be on the SSRI du jour, going more insane by the day.
I am a mother of two small children and do not want to miss a single minute of their childhood - that is why, despite financial strain, I stay home with them. Nor do I want them to have a Mommy who is not truly alive and all she really IS. I have a lot to give and teach them when I am well and functional. I don't need to be 100% to do that - I'm not 100% NOW but it sure beats what I am WITHOUT the meds. Without them, my mind goes straight to suicidal ideology without passing "Go."
If cognitive therapy worked for me, I'd be doing it. I've tried herbs, meditation, etc., etc. In my teens I self medicated with illicit street drugs. That did not work very well but it was actually better than the SSRIs:) With God's help (and ONLY because of His help)I got off alcohol and illegal drugs 18 years ago and didn't even take aspirin for the first 10 years. Unfortunately, the depressions got deeper and longer in duration, to the extent that meds were my only option for relief and some semblance of normalcy. And, for you friends of Bill, I was fully sober, worked all 12 steps and was not on a "dry drunk," as they say.
We are all at different levels of treating our "conditions," so I agree that we should be a little more tolerant of one another's current regimin or point of view, whatever they may be. However, the delivery of those opinions must be respectful, if they are to be received. I think that is what is meant by "please be civil." There's a big difference between being offended by someone's position and being personally hurt. I'm talking to myself here too, claire.
BTW, I'm completely understanding of CarolAnn's post. The moral of that story is: never... EVER, EVER ask someone who has not suffered real depression to give you advice on feeling better. Don't even tell them anything that may be misinterpreted as a solicitation. Unless... you want to be told to "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, walk on the sunny side of the street, make lists of things for which you're grateful, get your nails done and take a bubble bath..." That all sounds great, when I'm not depressed. When I am, I couldn't care enough to do any of those things if I tried.
Wishing you wellness.
Karen
Posted by Oddzilla on June 13, 2000, at 14:53:21
In reply to Re: claire - alternative views, posted by KarenB on June 13, 2000, at 13:49:28
I'm reading a new book from the library-Your Miracle Brain by Jean Carper. It's about using food and supplements to make the brain function better. It's pretty mainstream and quotes a lot of research studies. A quote from the jacket:
Myth: You are born with a genetically determined brain of fixed size and potential, and there is nothing you can do to change it.
Reality: Your brain is a growing, changing organ and you can greatly improve the very structure, wiring, and functioning of your brain cells by what you eat and the supplements you take.
It isn't specifically for people with depression but I found it very encouraging.
I agree with the people who will try anything that helps. I sometimes wonder how much damage the medications were doing to my brain in addition to what was all ready there waiting to be corrected. I want to try to give my brain some general support in gratitude for all the adventures it's taken me on;). I know it's not easy to start some new diet and health program when you all ready feel bad (I had quit taking vitamins because I was just too tired to swallow them).Anyway I thought some of you might be interested. O.
Posted by Rockets on June 13, 2000, at 15:11:43
In reply to all relate? (SORRY, from Bbob the non-human), posted by Bbob on June 12, 2000, at 20:50:12
Heh.. Bbob. You're funny sometimes. Peace.
Posted by claire 7 on June 13, 2000, at 15:12:45
In reply to Re Book Recommendation, posted by Oddzilla on June 13, 2000, at 14:53:21
O.Z., if I may be so familiar....For some strange reason your sentence "I wanted to give my brain some general support in gratitude for all the adventures it's taken me on" made me cry!
I finished my 3-month taper-down (Effexor and Remeron) on Friday. Despite the lengthy weaning, (and I did them one at a time)I've had some very miserable weeks of withdrawal; but then I've been on one AD or another for 12 years, so my poor brain had some serious readjusting to do.You know, I think you made me cry because you made me think of my brain with affection and sympathy for perhaps the first time in my life.
I think this will be a useful symbol for me to keep in mind in the next months.THANK YOU! Claire
Posted by claire 7 on June 13, 2000, at 15:30:07
In reply to Re: Re Book Recommendation, posted by claire 7 on June 13, 2000, at 15:12:45
P.S. to O.Z.
Currently reading (re-reading, actually) PRODUCTIVE AND NONPRODUCTIVE DEPRESSION, Emmy Gut.
Posted by shar on June 13, 2000, at 22:44:33
In reply to Re: I'm sure you can all relate to this reply..., posted by CarolAnn on June 12, 2000, at 19:05:52
Carol Ann,
I can definitely relate to what you're talking about with other people ("normals" ?) giving advice or trying to "cheer you up."I find it extremely bothersome, and I will go so far as to include my doctors (not my pdoc) who say "that should be controllable with diet (or aerobics, or ...whatever?" Arrgghh.
I usually tell them if there was an effective dietary/aerobic/etc. change that would eliminate depression, I would definitely want to try it immediately. 'Til then, I'm staying with my antidepressants.
I liken it to diabetes and insulin. You make a good point. Thanks.
S
Posted by CarolAnn on June 14, 2000, at 9:11:13
In reply to Re: I'm sure you can all relate to this reply..., posted by shar on June 13, 2000, at 22:44:33
How absolutely CLUELESS is it for these Doctors(and others) to promote "exercise" as a depression remedy? I mean, I read all the literature, I know about endorphins, but how the hell am I supposed to start an exercise program, when my depression has me so fatigued that I'm lucky if I can even get off the couch!!! Geez, sometimes, I'm so tired I can't even get up and get something to eat when I'm starving!
Obviously, this is a huge pet peeve! :) CarolAnn
Posted by harry b. on June 14, 2000, at 11:17:00
In reply to Re: here's another one Shar..., posted by CarolAnn on June 14, 2000, at 9:11:13
> How absolutely CLUELESS is it for these Doctors(and others) to promote "exercise" as a depression remedy? I mean, I read all the literature, I know about endorphins, but how the hell am I supposed to start an exercise program, when my depression has me so fatigued that I'm lucky if I can even get off the couch!!! Geez, sometimes, I'm so tired I can't even get up and get something to eat when I'm starving!
> Obviously, this is a huge pet peeve! :) CarolAnnJust get off your butt, pull up those boot straps
and DO IT!(sorry, sorry, just my sick humor)
BTW my neighbor mowed his lawn, (again!) this morning.
I had been keeping up with mine but sadly it is now
more pasture than lawn. :(
hb
Posted by Johnturner77 on June 14, 2000, at 12:55:48
In reply to Re: I'm sure you can all relate to this reply..., posted by SLS on June 13, 2000, at 7:21:15
> > >
> > >> I suspect what CarolAnn really was asking was; is there a natural substance, that when taken over time, awakens the ability of the brain to experience pleasure and enhances the drive for reward?>>
> >
> > BINGO! Johnturner77!
> >
> Perhaps the best we can hope for is distraction.
>
> Awhile back I took some Valerian Root for awhile. Several times I had what was for me an eye opener. When I found something funny or pleasureable I felt a(for me) powerful alien surge of happiness. I said to myself, "self, this what it must mean to not be depressed". I don't want to be a zombie with a frozen on smile, just experience happiness appropriately. Unfortunately, whatever mechanism blocks normal pleasure managed to figure out how to circumvent this latest attempt to reprogram it.
Posted by brian on June 14, 2000, at 17:37:11
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction, posted by Johnturner77 on June 14, 2000, at 12:55:48
> > > >
> > > >> I suspect what CarolAnn really was asking was; is there a natural substance, that when taken over time, awakens the ability of the brain to experience pleasure and enhances the drive for reward?>>
> > >
> > > BINGO! Johnturner77!
> > >
> > Perhaps the best we can hope for is distraction.
> >
> > Awhile back I took some Valerian Root for awhile. Several times I had what was for me an eye opener. When I found something funny or pleasureable I felt a(for me) powerful alien surge of happiness. I said to myself, "self, this what it must mean to not be depressed". I don't want to be a zombie with a frozen on smile, just experience happiness appropriately. Unfortunately, whatever mechanism blocks normal pleasure managed to figure out how to circumvent this latest attempt to reprogram it.
I'm with you there, JT77. As a veteran of SSRIs, I've many times experienced the fading of the flush: two days of simple happiness followed by a trip back down to what I have often considered my "normal" state. Perhaps all we can ask of medication is that it regulate, as sails regulate the course of a ship. The ropes pulling the sails keep us on course, but we must always be alert; pulling when necessary, switching ropes... ah, so much for that analogy.It's a great relief to me that others can share the frustrating experience of trying to relate our pain to "normals." It's like Louis Armstrong said to some reporter who asked him to define jazz: "Man if you have to ask, you'll never know." And I defy anyone not afflicted with serious depression to stand in my shoes for a day. The only thing a bubble bath will accomplish is the wrinkling of their fingertips. Perhaps all we can ask for is empathy and respect.
One observation: this room is not a microcosm of society, namely because everyone here is suffering from at least one psychological disorder (or brain malfunction, or mere participation in this awful society, etc.). I believe that 100 percent of the population on this board falls into the minority of the population affected by mental "distress." And whatever the cause, this level of distress cuts far deeper than it does for the majority of the population. Because of this, I don't take much stock in the Megadeth-like grand condemnations of capitalist-society-as-cause with any seriousness. If the machinery of capitalism or some dehumanizing aspect of modern society is the root cause of my mental illness, well, then I may as well check myself into the nearest Russian novel.
Posted by PeterC on June 14, 2000, at 19:47:45
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction, posted by brian on June 14, 2000, at 17:37:11
Well, this seem like productive dialogue.
A clarification: boBB is not clair. boBB hints of tolerance or perhaps even approval for street drugs, but has never affirmed a personal need or interest in industrial psychopharmaceuticals. boBB is PeterC. for whatever reason, the software would not seem to accept the boBB handle and password, so I used the PeterC instead. Claire might (or might not) want to get well. boBB does not. boBB said he hopes his discomfort infects those around him. "boBB" (isn't the very use of the handle just irritating now?!,heh heh) owns his dour feelings and thinks whatever sickness he suffers is a likely reaction to circumstances, and prefers to challenge the circumstances. Whereas others consider "cutting" pathological, boBB considers it a crude sacred ceremony. Well, thats boBB for ya!. boBB owns his depression, anger and mania, prefering to sublimate these chemical "imbalances" into an artful life of mental gymnastics. RUDE!
Whatever heat erupted in this thread likely involved in part my confusion over how quickly a discussion about dopamine went to a discussion about personal preferences in approaches to symptomology, but I explained that in an earlier post.
The only thing i would like to add now, having contemplated these posts for a while, is that I am not so sure we would do well to start talking to God. I was thinking God might prefer that we cease the constant talking-talking, and listen for a while.
This goD really has said quite a lot that deserves consideration.
Posted by CarolAnn on June 15, 2000, at 8:51:20
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction, posted by PeterC on June 14, 2000, at 19:47:45
>>I am not so sure we would do well to start talking to God. I was thinking God might prefer that we cease the constant talking-talking, and listen for a while.>>
>
PeterC, I find this to be a most incredibly profound statement. In fact, I have very often thought to myself that God is, probably, damn sick and tired of hearing all my whining about my problems. Even I'm tired of hearing it! "Why do I have to be depressed, why does everything have to be so hard for me, why can't I just have enough energy to take care of all my day to day stuff? whine, whine, whine!!!
So, I've decided to try very hard to take your advice and start listening to God, rather than bitching at him about the hand of cards I got dealt! Thanx for an enlightening post! CarolAnn
Posted by KarenB on June 15, 2000, at 11:45:32
In reply to Re: God » PeterC, posted by CarolAnn on June 15, 2000, at 8:51:20
PeterC & CarolAnn,
I think, if you want to truly know someone, a two way dialogue is essential. Would you agree? Of course, believing you are actually talking to SOMEONE would be a prerequisite and I don't know your beliefs on that one.
You have a good point, PeterC - listening is vital BUT I don't believe that God ever gets "fed up" with hearing from us, as you suggest, Carol Ann. I never get "fed up" with listening to my own children and I believe God to be perfect, the antithesis of impatience. You're right, though, Carol Ann - as I tell my two boys (ages 5 and 2 1/2), "Whining is not a useful form of communication." I get sick of hearing MYSELF when I am whining but God knows the intentions of my heart anyway, so I'm sure nothing I SAY to Him is any big surprise.
Sorry about the tangent but you did bring it up, PeterC:)
If you ever figure out how to boost Dopamine naturally and permanently, Carol Ann, please let me know.
Karen
P.S. BoBB, does the supposition that claire is not BoBB eliminate the possibility that they may occupy the same physical body?
Posted by brian on June 15, 2000, at 13:37:37
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction, posted by PeterC on June 14, 2000, at 19:47:45
> Well, this seem like productive dialogue.
>
> A clarification: boBB is not clair. boBB hints of tolerance or perhaps even approval for street drugs, but has never affirmed a personal need or interest in industrial psychopharmaceuticals. boBB is PeterC. for whatever reason, the software would not seem to accept the boBB handle and password, so I used the PeterC instead. Claire might (or might not) want to get well. boBB does not. boBB said he hopes his discomfort infects those around him. "boBB" (isn't the very use of the handle just irritating now?!,heh heh) owns his dour feelings and thinks whatever sickness he suffers is a likely reaction to circumstances, and prefers to challenge the circumstances. Whereas others consider "cutting" pathological, boBB considers it a crude sacred ceremony. Well, thats boBB for ya!. boBB owns his depression, anger and mania, prefering to sublimate these chemical "imbalances" into an artful life of mental gymnastics. RUDE!
>
> Whatever heat erupted in this thread likely involved in part my confusion over how quickly a discussion about dopamine went to a discussion about personal preferences in approaches to symptomology, but I explained that in an earlier post.
>
> The only thing i would like to add now, having contemplated these posts for a while, is that I am not so sure we would do well to start talking to God. I was thinking God might prefer that we cease the constant talking-talking, and listen for a while.
>
> This goD really has said quite a lot that deserves consideration.
brian believes that brian's pathology is "cutting." brian does not interpret "cuts" as "stigmata."brian welcomes back BBob/boBB/PeterC/X. brian believes that any ongoing human discussion must inevitably include at least one voice of dissention. brian believes that this necessity is deeply woven into the sociological landscape.
brian believes that, if BBob/boBB/PeterC/X did not exist, it would be necessary to create him.
amen.
Posted by claire 7 on June 15, 2000, at 14:06:10
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction, posted by brian on June 15, 2000, at 13:37:37
>
brian--Hope this isn't a kiss of death, but I really liked your post!
Posted by KarenB on June 15, 2000, at 17:33:23
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction, posted by brian on June 15, 2000, at 13:37:37
> brian believes that, if BBob/boBB/PeterC/X did not exist, it would be necessary to create him.
I think Voltaire said that very thing about God. However, if Voltaire had not existed, it would NOT have been necessary to create HIM.Peace to ALL of you, brian.
Karen
Posted by brian on June 15, 2000, at 18:32:24
In reply to Re: The Best we can hope for is distraction » brian, posted by KarenB on June 15, 2000, at 17:33:23
> > brian believes that, if BBob/boBB/PeterC/X did not exist, it would be necessary to create him.
>
>
> I think Voltaire said that very thing about God. However, if Voltaire had not existed, it would NOT have been necessary to create HIM.
>
> Peace to ALL of you, brian.
>
> KarenOoh, Karen, I think you missed my point. Read my other posts (eg, various celexa whining) if you think I'm part of the legion.
Frankly, I find bobb's stuff entertaining. If he wasn't here, I think someone else would take up that role. It's the way we humans work.
PS
RE: Voltaire: How does the joke go? Doestyevski writes on a page: "God does not exist, signed Doestyevski." God writes on Doestyevski's tomb: "Doestyevski does not exist, signed God." I'm sure there's a better way to tell it, but you get the idea.
Posted by shar on June 16, 2000, at 0:08:54
In reply to Re: God - PeterC Carol Ann, posted by KarenB on June 15, 2000, at 11:45:32
>>> P.S. BoBB, does the supposition that claire is not BoBB eliminate the possibility that they may occupy the same physical body?
>You know, I've been wondering the very same thing. I don't know much about MPD or dissociative (sp?) disorders, but with all the personalities I'm thinking that may be it.
Or, thespian of the high-drama variety?
S
Posted by Johnturner77 on June 18, 2000, at 14:02:52
In reply to question about dopamine, posted by CarolAnn on June 10, 2000, at 10:08:27
> I just suddenly wondered if anyone had heard of any natural ways to supplement dopamine? I mean, we have 5htp and St. John's Wort for Serotonin, and I'm not sure about where Sam-e's effectiveness is. But, I don't think I've ever heard of any dopamine effectors that didn't need prescriptions. Any ideas? Or has this been covered and I missed it? Just curious, CarolAnn
All this digression from the original post seems to imply that there really isn't any viable effective natural dopamine enhancer."I have abandoned my search for truth and am now looking of a good fantasy"
Ashley Brilliant
Posted by Rebecca on June 18, 2000, at 16:32:36
In reply to You may be on to something » KarenB, posted by shar on June 16, 2000, at 0:08:54
> >>> P.S. BoBB, does the supposition that claire is not BoBB eliminate the possibility that they may occupy the same physical body?
> >
>
> You know, I've been wondering the very same thing. I don't know much about MPD or dissociative (sp?) disorders, but with all the personalities I'm thinking that may be it.
>
> Or, thespian of the high-drama variety?
>
> SI hate to get involved in this pettiness, but...
Is the idea that people other than boBB can agree with him such an anathema that you all have to constantly develop conspiracy theories?
before anyone accuses me, I'm not boBB, claire, or anyone else. I just hate to see how boBB's input is being treated. I don't agree with all of them or their presentation, but I think he has valuable contributions. it certainly makes me nervous about contributing any opinion that goes against the majority.
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